Education a right ?

[antagon]

Id say you have an" incomplete "education.

alas, a never-ending quest, that

 

[manu1959]

an education through high school is free and paid for by the state.....after that you are on your own......

should the state pay for university as well.....is that what you all want your "right" to an education to include.....a free ride to the university of your choice.....

 

[antagon]

Easy to say when you can't answer the question.
Once again: I know there is a right to keep and bear arms because the 2A says so. How do you know there is a right to education?

you dont understand natural, inalienable, enumerated and unenumerated rights. its a prerequisite to comprehending the answers youve already been given. rights of all these types are protected by the constitution. understanding these types of rights is paramount in understanding the document or the united states. you clearly lack a comprehension of your new land or its founding docs, despite your arrogance.

"that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;"

if you think the government is allowed to prevent the education of its citizens, or bigbro their hairdos or the color of their sox because there's no specific amendment preventing it from doing so, you have totally mistaken the constitution.

obtuse, my friend, is dirt-stupid's lil' sister.

the government is not required to take money from its citizens and give it to others so they can persue life liberty and happiness.....

if you want an education go get one......

thanks for popping in

in an earlier post i pointed out the distinction between something being a right the government is not empowered to quash and the distant stretch that it is required to provide it.

that the government isnt required to fund education is certain. but that does not give government the right to stop anyone from educating themselves or others. that (education) is a right we have unto ourselves as citizens.

 

[The Rabbi]

hopelessly over your head. its like the three lil pigs thing, the last time you got stumped. you simply are one of the folks to use the constitution without any understanding of it. i quoted the ninth amendment for your review, however you insist on believing that rights have to be laid out in specifics. maybe wherever youre from. not in the united states.

Easy to say when you can't answer the question.
Once again: I know there is a right to keep and bear arms because the 2A says so. How do you know there is a right to education?

you dont understand natural, inalienable, enumerated and unenumerated rights. its a prerequisite to comprehending the answers youve already been given. rights of all these types are protected by the constitution. understanding these types of rights is paramount in understanding the document or the united states. you clearly lack a comprehension of your new land or its founding docs, despite your arrogance.

You still refuse to answer my question, taking refuge in an ipse dixit fallacy.

Let me ask more:
Where does the "right" of education come from? How do you know this? What are the parameters of that right? Does everyone have the right to a medical education? A legal education? An education as a diesel mechanic?
What other rights are included that fall on society to provide?

Your answers are amusing and betray the fact that you have swallowed something hook line and sinker without ever having considered whether they are true or not.

 

[manu1959]

you dont understand natural, inalienable, enumerated and unenumerated rights. its a prerequisite to comprehending the answers youve already been given. rights of all these types are protected by the constitution. understanding these types of rights is paramount in understanding the document or the united states. you clearly lack a comprehension of your new land or its founding docs, despite your arrogance.



if you think the government is allowed to prevent the education of its citizens, or bigbro their hairdos or the color of their sox because there's no specific amendment preventing it from doing so, you have totally mistaken the constitution.

obtuse, my friend, is dirt-stupid's lil' sister.

the government is not required to take money from its citizens and give it to others so they can persue life liberty and happiness.....

if you want an education go get one......

thanks for popping in

in an earlier post i pointed out the distinction between something being a right the government is not empowered to quash and the distant stretch that it is required to provide it.

that the government isnt required to fund education is certain. but that does not give government the right to stop anyone from educating themselves or others. that (education) is a right we have unto ourselves as citizens.

so just so i am clear.....your aguement is that as a us citizen i have the right to go and aquire an education...the government has no obligation) to pay for it.....(even though they do until university)....and the government can not prevent me from getting this education....(however they do make me get one until university).....

if i understand you correctly....all of the above is pretty obvious....

why is it improtant to you to "prove" education is a right.....

 

[amrchaos]

(Sarcasm--Noted for those that can not appreciate it!!)

As an corporatists and elitist, I must desist!!

If we educate the ignorant masses, how can we mislead and take advantage of them? How can we gain money if there are no fools to separate it from??

Surely this is an attempt to spread socialism!! Who will pay for educating the people? Not I!! I want lots of cattle-people to herd and milk!

In the words of a great poet:

"Hey Teacher
Leave them kids alone"​

by Pink Floyd

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4SKL7f9n58]YouTube - Pink Floyd- Another Brick in the Wall[/ame]

(of course miseducating the ignorant masses is along my line as well, just that in this case, it seems as if we are trying to remedy the problem!! What fools the general public is. Ha Ha. Dumb without information!! Dumb with wrong information. What is the difference?? Ha Ha)

 

[antagon]

..so he cuts of the quote where TJ explains rights are from the creator in the DoI. id say rights come from god, too, or that theyre just there, a given. this are known to individuals, something that the founders, particularly jefferson, stressed should be understood by all kids in his virginia.

if you dont know your rights, you could get them trampled. so for you, who suffer an ambiguity that basic shit like picking up knowledge is not endowed on us by 'god', or are natural rights, you'd be satisfied that the government prevents you from reading, establishing schools or informing your kids about life. tuff.

 

[antagon]

the government is not required to take money from its citizens and give it to others so they can persue life liberty and happiness.....

if you want an education go get one......

thanks for popping in

in an earlier post i pointed out the distinction between something being a right the government is not empowered to quash and the distant stretch that it is required to provide it.

that the government isnt required to fund education is certain. but that does not give government the right to stop anyone from educating themselves or others. that (education) is a right we have unto ourselves as citizens.

so just so i am clear.....your aguement is that as a us citizen i have the right to go and aquire an education...the government has no obligation) to pay for it.....(even though they do until university)....and the government can not prevent me from getting this education....(however they do make me get one until university).....

if i understand you correctly....all of the above is pretty obvious....

why is it improtant to you to "prove" education is a right.....

i thought it was obvious, too. that rabbi guy wasnt getting it, and he challenged me to prove it... it comes down to unenumerated rights and some kind of deficit he's got with comprehending them.

 

[manu1959]

thanks for popping in

in an earlier post i pointed out the distinction between something being a right the government is not empowered to quash and the distant stretch that it is required to provide it.

that the government isnt required to fund education is certain. but that does not give government the right to stop anyone from educating themselves or others. that (education) is a right we have unto ourselves as citizens.

so just so i am clear.....your aguement is that as a us citizen i have the right to go and aquire an education...the government has no obligation) to pay for it.....(even though they do until university)....and the government can not prevent me from getting this education....(however they do make me get one until university).....

if i understand you correctly....all of the above is pretty obvious....

why is it improtant to you to "prove" education is a right.....

i thought it was obvious, too. that rabbi guy wasnt getting it, and he challenged me to prove it... it comes down to unenumerated rights and some kind of deficit he's got with comprehending them.

i think it is more tied to word freedom than to the word right.....if i had to guess.....people want to argue it isn't a right so it doesn't become an etitlement paid for by the government....or that you then argue if education is a right paid for by the government why not health care....food...a job...tvs...booze....take your pick....

 

[The Rabbi]

..so he cuts of the quote where TJ explains rights are from the creator in the DoI. id say rights come from god, too, or that theyre just there, a given. this are known to individuals, something that the founders, particularly jefferson, stressed should be understood by all kids in his virginia.

if you dont know your rights, you could get them trampled. so for you, who suffer an ambiguity that basic shit like picking up knowledge is not endowed on us by 'god', or are natural rights, you'd be satisfied that the government prevents you from reading, establishing schools or informing your kids about life. tuff.

So your argument is that rights come from god? Where does god enumerate rights, like the right to vote, to bear arms, to get an education etc?? I am pretty familiar with the "Old Testament" and can recall no such passage. Please enligthten us as to how you know what is in god's mind.
Or you posit they are "just there." Just where? If you want to make an analogy to physical property then I can prove rocks have mass, volume hardness etc.
So which is it? Are rights given by god even though there is no statement anywhere in any major religion that supports this? Or are they "just there" because you say so?
You are losing coherence here btw.

 

[rdean]

You have failed to prove that there is a right to education specifically. No amount of spinning will produce it because it is not there.
Sorry. Thanks for playing.

hopelessly over your head. its like the three lil pigs thing, the last time you got stumped. you simply are one of the folks to use the constitution without any understanding of it. i quoted the ninth amendment for your review, however you insist on believing that rights have to be laid out in specifics. maybe wherever youre from. not in the united states.

Rights come from God.
You cannot not make or give someone an education , they have to take it, they have to acquire it .
You can lead a liberal to knowledge, but you cannot make them think.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

The following are from the New Testament:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

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So, did Gawd also make slavery? Was it "His" idea? After all, both father and son seem to approve.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You have failed to prove that there is a right to education specifically. No amount of spinning will produce it because it is not there.
Sorry. Thanks for playing.

So you think that if my state denied my (hypothetical) child an education that I couldn't win in the Supreme Court, if it went that far?

that would be a discrimination concern unless they enjoined your seeking to educate ur kid or locked you up for the same, etc.

Well, it couldn't be discrimination if they denied my kid education unless he had a right to that education.

Every kid has a right to an education in this country and about the only way a state could get around that would be to abolish their entire public school system, and we all know that no such thing is going to happen, therefore, de facto shall we say, education in the US is a right.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Easy to say when you can't answer the question.
Once again: I know there is a right to keep and bear arms because the 2A says so. How do you know there is a right to education?

you dont understand natural, inalienable, enumerated and unenumerated rights. its a prerequisite to comprehending the answers youve already been given. rights of all these types are protected by the constitution. understanding these types of rights is paramount in understanding the document or the united states. you clearly lack a comprehension of your new land or its founding docs, despite your arrogance.

"that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;"

if you think the government is allowed to prevent the education of its citizens, or bigbro their hairdos or the color of their sox because there's no specific amendment preventing it from doing so, you have totally mistaken the constitution.

obtuse, my friend, is dirt-stupid's lil' sister.

the government is not required to take money from its citizens and give it to others so they can persue life liberty and happiness.....

if you want an education go get one......

Yes it is. The defense of the nation takes lots of money from some to protect all.

 

[manu1959]

education isn't a right....it is required by law through the end of high school.......try not sending your kids to school and see what happens.....

if you want a university education you have the fredom to go and buy one.....

 

[Contumacious]

Every kid has a right to an education in this country a.

If they have a right to an education then taxpayers have a responsibility to provide the same. Every time a child is born my right not be a slave evaporates.

.

 

[manu1959]

Every kid has a right to an education in this country a.

If they have a right to an education then taxpayers have a responsibility to provide the same. Every time a child is born my right not be a slave evaporates.

.

the tax payers do provide....the government takes your money....creats a school and makes you send your kid to it....and kids are required by law to attend school....

a university education is a different matter....

 

[antagon]

so just so i am clear.....your aguement is that as a us citizen i have the right to go and aquire an education...the government has no obligation) to pay for it.....(even though they do until university)....and the government can not prevent me from getting this education....(however they do make me get one until university).....

if i understand you correctly....all of the above is pretty obvious....

why is it improtant to you to "prove" education is a right.....

i thought it was obvious, too. that rabbi guy wasnt getting it, and he challenged me to prove it... it comes down to unenumerated rights and some kind of deficit he's got with comprehending them.

i think it is more tied to word freedom than to the word right.....if i had to guess.....people want to argue it isn't a right so it doesn't become an etitlement paid for by the government....or that you then argue if education is a right paid for by the government why not health care....food...a job...tvs...booze....take your pick....

true, but these things are protected in the constitution as' rights' (the 9th), and further by the founders. rights empower freedoms.

i mentioned the consequence of the civil rights era where protection of rights on the basis of 'all men created equal' gave rise to more nebulous connections to the same. gay rights for an example, takes a lifestyle created by man, and elevates it to the same as one 'god' created. not to harp on the gay thing, because i could care less, the movement pushed the science of 'born that way' to validate this.

people need to be educated about the extent of rights like that to bear arms, such that they recognize the government isnt forced to provide guns as a virtue of a right. democrats know that. theyre trying to get their ignorant base aroused. the republican/'bagger base butchers right back misusing the terms claiming basic rights dont exist.

i say back away from the constitution, and go after the politician. all of those issues you'd mentioned are valid provisions of government; if we want to eradicate or roll them back, that'll take a helluva politician to put his/her neck on the line. to make a minor change to our healthcare system, it requires the same. polls show its getting wrung.

 

[Contumacious]

Every kid has a right to an education in this country a.

If they have a right to an education then taxpayers have a responsibility to provide the same. Every time a child is born my right not be a slave evaporates.

.

the tax payers do provide....the government takes your money....creats a school and makes you send your kid to it....and kids are required by law to attend school....

a university education is a different matter....

Prior to 1909 the "right" to a taxpayer financed education did not exist.

.

 

[antagon]

Every kid has a right to an education in this country a.

If they have a right to an education then taxpayers have a responsibility to provide the same. Every time a child is born my right not be a slave evaporates.

.

where is this mechanism established in our government? the 'government', by the way, and 'taxpayers' are mutually exclusive. taxation is more of a communal/authoritarian relationship than "taxpayers this, taxpayers that" implies.

 

[manu1959]

If they have a right to an education then taxpayers have a responsibility to provide the same. Every time a child is born my right not be a slave evaporates.

.

the tax payers do provide....the government takes your money....creats a school and makes you send your kid to it....and kids are required by law to attend school....

a university education is a different matter....

Prior to 1909 the "right" to a taxpayer financed education did not exist.

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times are a changing.......