Drug testing for welfare

[Warrior102]

Plus they discovered that welfare recipients have the same level of drug users as the general population.

Are you this stupid a **** in real life, or do you just play a dumbfuck on the Interwebs?

Dear God, what a dope.

 

[Koios]

The state of FL is embroiled in a legal battle over this law.

The idea is that, anyone who gets money from the government has given up their rights. In Texas, they are including anyone who collects unemployment in their drug tests.

What about veterans
People on disability
Those on Medicare/medicade

Actually, their rights cannot be bought, nor can yours or mine.

 

[dblack]

No liberal argument?

How about a libertarian argument?

If you want to get rid of the welfare state, go for it. But as long as we have one, as long as government is 'providing' (i.e. taking our money in taxes in exchange for programs we might, or might not want) for us, it's wrong to strip people of their rights as a precondition for using the service.

I wonder if you've considered the kind of precedents such laws set? You're suggesting that anyone who applies for welfare give up their freedom from unreasonable search and seizure.

What if we applied this concept to health care? Government is well on it's way to taking over health care. Will you be suggesting similar requirements for anyone "leeching" off taxpayer money in that arena? Should we be required to prove that we have maintained good personal health habits, or pay a penalty/tax if we can't?

You are asking for money in welfare, you are not asking for healthcare under government controlled health care. It is imposed upon you. Not only is government health care being imposed upon the individual, but the individual will be taxed to pay for health care to an amount sufficient to prevent them from buying their own.

So it's not the same at all. Of course, the government really is starting to mandate healthy practices and passing laws to make sure you are all healthy.

Right. And they're making substantially the same arguments people use to justify drug testing welfare recipients. It's obviously enough 'the same' for others.

Let's take an example. Do you support penalties on people who smoke, under the assumption that their poor health decisions will cost taxpayers money?

 

[AmyNation]

I should clarify, I've gone back and forth on the issue.

It seems right to me, to not give hand outs to drug users, however I also recognize that it cost the state far more to test then to simply give them the welfare, and I do worry about the precedent this sets.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Dumb ass rw's never get around to asking who is paying for it.

BTW, it didn't work in Florida and won't work in other states but sure, go ahead and waste more tax payer's money on something that is designed to get stooopid rw's to vote for other stooopid rw's.

 

[Katzndogz]

By paying drug addicts we have created an entirely new class of the employed. They get paid for taking drugs therefore they should continue to take drugs to get the money.

 

[Warrior102]

Dumb ass rw's never get around to asking who is paying for it.

Who paid for Obama's bailout, and Obamacare? Did whomeever paid for it get asked for their opinion, or was it just blue-lighted by Obama, without transparency.

Thanks asswipe.

 

[TNHarley]

If they fail they pay for it. It was in the article.

 

[TNHarley]

Dumb ass rw's never get around to asking who is paying for it.

Who paid for Obama's bailout, and Obamacare? Did whomeever paid for it get asked for their opinion, or was it just blue-lighted by Obama, without transparency.

Thanks asswipe.

Cant thank this post. THANKS!

 

[dblack]

By paying drug addicts we have created an entirely new class of the employed. They get paid for taking drugs therefore they should continue to take drugs to get the money.

Also, why are you singling out drug users? People have many other wasteful habits. Shouldn't we go after those as well? Should welfare recipients be required to prove they don't gamble or download porn "on the taxpayer's dime"? Should we make them go to church to improve their moral disposition?

 

[WillowTree]

Drug tests are too easy to beat, just a waste of money and time. End the war on drugs, legalize them and tax them. Then work on addiction. Saving billions on prosecution, imprisonment, and reaping billions on sales taxes.

Legalize the drugs then spend trillions on the treatment to cure the addiction,,,,,,, that makes ******* walking around sense donut?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

AmyNation

The state of FL is embroiled in a legal battle over this law.

The idea is that, anyone who gets money from the government has given up their rights. In Texas, they are including anyone who collects unemployment in their drug tests.

What about veterans
People on disability
Those on Medicare/medicade

Most of the people who get food stamps are children and the elderly. Let's throw away even more money and drug test them too.

 

[AmyNation]

If they fail they pay for it. It was in the article.

Not only do 98% not fail, but they also don't pay for the 101 other costs that it takes to create a whole new level of government. Those that fail pay the $60 for the drug tests only.

Hence why it cost the state of FL 40 thousand dollars in under 4 months.

 

[Warrior102]

Most of the people who get food stamps are children and the elderly. Let's throw away even more money and drug test them too.

If there's a drug test for stupidity, cocksmoker, get in line for one.

 

[TNHarley]

By paying drug addicts we have created an entirely new class of the employed. They get paid for taking drugs therefore they should continue to take drugs to get the money.

Also, why are you singling out drug users? People have many other wasteful habits. Shouldn't we go after those as well? Should welfare recipients be required to prove they don't gamble or download porn "on the taxpayer's dime"? Should we make them go to church to improve their moral disposition?

Very good argument!

 

[TNHarley]

If they fail they pay for it. It was in the article.

Not only do 98% not fail, but they also don't pay for the 101 other costs that it takes to create a whole new level of government. Those that fail pay the $60 for the drug tests only.

Hence why it cost the state of FL 40 thousand dollars in under 4 months.

98% failing comes out alot better than 40k. Im sure they saved money if that was the case

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I get drug tested to earn money.... but it's a problem to get drug tested to be given money?

 

[AmyNation]

If they fail they pay for it. It was in the article.

Not only do 98% not fail,but they also don't pay for the 101 other costs that it takes to create a whole new level of government. Those that fail pay the $60 for the drug tests only.

Hence why it cost the state of FL 40 thousand dollars in under 4 months.

98% failing comes out alot better than 40k. Im sure they saved money if that was the case

Read it again.

 

[JQPublic1]

Drug addicts will simply claim that their addiction is a disability and move on over to SSI.

No SSi if you are a drug addict or crimminal, sorry.

Great, then drug addicts and criminals shouldn't have to pay taxes. Oh, I forgot, they don't.
Many of them are among the 1% top richest people in the country.

 

[Katzndogz]

Drug use makes them unemployable. Of all wasteful habits, only the drug user or alcoholic claims they are too wasted or too drunk to work. Or that it's too dangerous for others to allow them to do so.