Dow up over 9,000 in the last 6 months

[Frankenstein]

The facts are, since Trump's tariffs, The overall pace of hiring has slowed

Employees are staying put. Job hugging. Wages have stalled. There's no reason to raise wages when it's a tough job market.

My company is hiring too right now. So you aren't completely wrong. Where are the people looking for jobs?

Oh, and I just hooked my managers up with a community college. We are going to start hiring guys right out of college. They are hungry, willing to be trained, willing to go out on the road PLUS they have an education in the field we are in. Manufacturing program. We are going to go visit their technology lab.

The other day we interviewed a guy for a sales position. He wanted 120,000 plus commission. I'm sure we can find a good salesperson at that community college where we only have to pay them $40K plus commission. Just make the commission so that if they hit their goals they will make at least $100,000. We can train a recent college graduate to sell these machines and they are anxious to get their first professional job out of college so they can put the experience on their resume's

Link Punk!

 

[sealybobo]

Damn OP, you went full nuke on the vile dems.

Good Job!

It's amazing what hypocrites Republicans are. Last year when they complained about the economy I would say "have you seen the stock market?" and they would say that was a very elitist lefty thing to say.

But now as the jobs market is shit, this is all Republicans do. It's as if they have forgotten about those uneducated blue collar workers they conned last year.

 

[1srelluc]

It's amazing what hypocrites Republicans are. Last year when they complained about the economy I would say "have you seen the stock market?" and they would say that was a very elitist lefty thing to say.

But now as the jobs market is shit, this is all Republicans do. It's as if they have forgotten about those uneducated blue collar workers they conned last year.

Meh, plenty of jobs around here.....Except for the .gov.

 

[Moonglow]

Trump says it is the Biden economy..

Since taking office in January 2025, Donald Trump has repeatedly blamed former President Joe Biden for negative economic trends, while taking credit for positive ones. For example, in an interview in May 2025, Trump stated, "I think the good parts are the 'Trump economy' and the bad parts are the 'Biden economy'".
Trump's comments on the economy

• Blame for economic downturn: After new data released in April 2025 showed the U.S. economy contracted in the first quarter, Trump blamed Biden for the economic decline. On social media, he called it "the Biden economy" and suggested he would also blame Biden for any poor performance in the second quarter.
• Credit for positive signs: In the same interview where he blamed Biden for economic problems, Trump took credit for positive economic news, citing his work to lower costs.
• Inherited challenges: Trump has repeatedly claimed he inherited an "economic catastrophe" from the Biden administration, pointing to inflation and high energy prices, even though inflation had significantly cooled by the end of Biden's term.
• Policy defense: Trump has defended his use of tariffs, even as some economists link them to market volatility and decreased consumer confidence. He claimed that tariffs would make the U.S. "a very rich country" and that they had already resulted in significant new investment, though the latter claim has been disputed.

Context on presidential influence
It is a common political tactic for an incoming president to blame their predecessor for economic challenges. However, economists note that a president's power over the economy is often limited, especially in the short term, and that it is influenced by many factors.

• The economy is a complex system affected by the Federal Reserve's monetary policy, congressional fiscal decisions, and global events.
• An administration's policies may take a long time to affect the economy, making it difficult to immediately attribute economic performance to a new president's actions.
• By the end of Biden's term, the U.S. had a low unemployment rate and falling inflation, but also faced challenges like housing affordability.
• During Trump's first months in office, economists expressed concern that his tariff policies and resulting uncertainty were already harming the economy.

 

[Winco]

I am sorry I cn't hear you over my 401k going catching

Great
Yours goes up, mine goes up.

It’s that simple.

Except if you are OhPleaseJustQuit who claims to have lost money in the market during the Biden presidency. Lololll

 

[sealybobo]

Meh, plenty of jobs around here.....Except for the .gov.

No there are not plenty of jobs out there. We were better off last year.

Lots of bad news and it's all tied into what Trump has done to the global economy. For example.

The value of the #US dollar has been falling this year. It started off strong, but as traders expected rate cuts and the economy cooled, the U.S. Dollar Index slipped 9.5% in 2025 — marking its sharpest first-half decline since 1973.

 

[candycorn]

View attachment 1171057

What happened to the tarrifs wrecking the economy my 401k is doing wonderfully

Suddenly the DJIA is “the economy” again.

ACME imports a widget that is tariffed 15%. They raise their price 20%. They paid 15% tax to the government but gained 5%.

June 2025 CPI Report: Tariffs Are Having an Impact on Consumer Prices | J.P. Morgan

The recent Consumer Price Index (CPI) report shows how tariffs are reshaping consumer prices, particularly in sectors reliant on imports. Read more here.

www.jpmorgan.com

So stock is up thanks to higher prices.

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes this is what happened during the Bush years. The middle class was struggling. The poor was struggling. But the rich kept getting richer.

During Biden the stock market did great and you Republicans said "what about uneducated blue collar Americans who don't own stock?"

Well? What about them?

No one is hiring. That means wages aren't going up. People are not job hopping they are job hugging.

Yes, corporations are loving what Trump is doing. Slashing their taxes and eliminating regulations. This economy favors employers not employees.

Biden and Obama expanded the government with debt. Obama called it quantitative easing. They print money and dump it in the economy. This drives up the DOW so investors like me make money but the inflation crushes the middle class. Its temporary fix because its like living off your credit card and only paying the interest. Bidens economy was exactly that. Thats why it all fell apart

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Yes this is what happened during the Bush years. The middle class was struggling. The poor was struggling. But the rich kept getting richer.

During Biden the stock market did great and you Republicans said "what about uneducated blue collar Americans who don't own stock?"

Well? What about them?

No one is hiring. That means wages aren't going up. People are not job hopping they are job hugging.

Yes, corporations are loving what Trump is doing. Slashing their taxes and eliminating regulations. This economy favors employers not employees.

No Trump’s market outperformed Biden’s. Remember the market lost about 19% under Joe Biden in 2022. Stocks did ok under Biden but not as good compared to Trump overall.


The middle class has been struggling for a while, exacerbated by the unnecessary lockdowns and printing of trillions of dollars in stimulus checks approved by Democrats and Republicans. But with regards to the stock market this is a numbers game and Donald Trump beat Biden.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

What a stupid **** you are to say "everyone is hiring"

Here are the facts

The US has experienced a shift where job seekers now outnumber available job openings for the first time since April 2021, signaling a softening labor market with more unemployed people and fewer job vacancies. This is not due to increased layoffs but a significant decline in job openings, especially in previously stable sectors, making it harder for people to find new work. The situation highlights a tougher job market, particularly for recent graduates and experienced workers, and is considered a turning point for the labor market.

Yes this is what happened during the Bush years. The middle class was struggling. The poor was struggling. But the rich kept getting richer.

During Biden the stock market did great and you Republicans said "what about uneducated blue collar Americans who don't own stock?"

Well? What about them?

No one is hiring. That means wages aren't going up. People are not job hopping they are job hugging.

Yes, corporations are loving what Trump is doing. Slashing their taxes and eliminating regulations. This economy favors employers not employees.

Here are the facts. This thread is about stocks. Under George W Bush, the markets did not perform as well as they have under Biden or Trump. But Trump has outperformed Biden with regards to stocks. That’s it. There’s no arguing against this point. It’s a fact. You’re just talking a bunch of politics…. and how the middle class is doing is a different topic.

S&P 500 Total Returns by Year Since 1926

Total returns of the S&P 500 index listed by year and include both price returns and re-invested dividends.

www.slickcharts.com

We were told by more than a few left-wingers that stocks would collapse, and the USA was finished during Trump‘s first term ….that never happened. And we were told that again when Trump was elected to his most recent term and yet the market have been performing pretty well.

No matter how anyone tries to spin anything there is no denying that Trump’s market has outperformed Biden.

The Best and Worst Presidents (According to the Stock Market)

Which U.S. presidents oversaw the best and worst stock market performances? Just for grins, let's see what a 'stock market Mount Rushmore' might look like.

www.kiplinger.com

 

[odanny]

Trumpists are taking a victory lap because Trump has not destroyed the economy, besides his best intentions. I'll take the financial wins for now. The strength of Silicon Valley is really the driver, but there are plenty of other drivers as well, all of them strong enough collectively to keep dumbshit from wrecking the economy.

 

[Winco]

Stocks did ok under Biden

Do you consider a 10% YEARLY increase/gain on any of the indexes as:

1) Below Average......Blah
2) Just Average......OK
3) Above average......Very Good




4) Let's pretend a Yearly gain of 11% or Higher, would that be better than Very Good, perhaps turning into a rating of Great/Exceptional/Outstanding?......

OR........Still just OK, Very Good or Great/Exceptional/Outstanding?


Bottom Line, I'm happy since Bush left office.
It's been Rock Solid for 16+ years, my prime earning and contribution years.
I'm not complaining about ANY of the Market Performance under any of the past 3 POTUS'S.

 

[SweetTea]

Except if you are @OhPleaseJustQuit who claims to have lost money in the market during the Biden presidency. Lololll

Many didn’t make as much annualized under Biden because of 2022, which was a horrible year for the markets. If you didn’t get out before 2022, 2023 was spent making back what you lost the year before.

 

[Hafar1014]

It's amazing what hypocrites Republicans are. Last year when they complained about the economy I would say "have you seen the stock market?" and they would say that was a very elitist lefty thing to say.

But now as the jobs market is shit, this is all Republicans do. It's as if they have forgotten about those uneducated blue collar workers they conned last year.

The job market is shifting from massive government jobs to private sector jobs. Thats good for the economy. Its still the Biden economy in many ways and jobs were in decline before Trump was elected. Trump has laid a solid foundation for job creation

 

[odanny]

Many didn’t make as much annualized under Biden because of 2022, which was a horrible year for the markets. If you didn’t get out before 2022, 2023 was spent making back what you lost the year before.

The middle of 2021 into the middle of 2022 was the most profitable 12 month period in 25 years for me, and most every other investor I know. Covid, for me, was the best thing that ever happened to my portfolio. At one point my portfolio was up 38%.

I don't know how much my balance was down during Covid, but it was not even half of what it was up the following year.

 

[odanny]

The job market is shifting from massive government jobs to private sector jobs. Thats good for the economy. Its still the Biden economy in many ways and jobs were in decline before Trump was elected. Trump has laid a solid foundation for job creation

He hasn't done any of that. You are not reality based.

 

[SweetTea]

The middle of 2021 into the middle of 2022 was the most profitable 12 month period in 25 years for me, and most every other investor I know. Covid, for me, was the best thing that ever happened to my portfolio. At one point my portfolio was up 38%.

I don't know how much my balance was down during Covid, but it was not even half of what it was up the following year.

The market was terrible in 2022. Good for you if you happen to be in the few investments that weren’t caught up in it.

 

[odanny]

The market was terrible in 2022. Good for you if you happen to be in the few investments that weren’t caught up in it.

The market rebounded in the 3rd quarter of 2022 and took off like a SpaceX rocket. Not sure what went wrong for you. It was a reverse parabola, a bathtub curve during Covid and mid early to mid 2022 it was crazy good.

 

[SweetTea]

The market rebounded in the 3rd quarter of 2022 and took off like a SpaceX rocket. Not sure what went wrong for you. It was a reverse parabola, a bathtub curve.

If you were in an S&P or DOW index fund in 2022, you lost your butt. It took the entire following year to get back to even.

 

[odanny]

If you were in an S&P or DOW index fund in 2022, you lost your butt. It took the entire following year to get back to even.

The big difference is I have a brokerage account and could control which investments I made, your company 401K most surely won't allow you do direct your holdings anywhere.

I had plenty of blue chips that took off in 2022 so not sure what your issue was on the rebound.