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[citygator]

No, they just keep saying we will get there.

All as a pretense to wetting their drawers over Trumps 2024 shellacking of Harris.

They still have not gotten over it.

I think that is a reasonable thing to debate, whether we are on the right track or not. You knuckleheads convinced yourselves we were in a depression during one of the biggest economic turnarounds in history. Thanks Biden!

 

[Meathead]

I think that is a reasonable thing to debate, whether we are on the right track or not. You knuckleheads convinced yourselves we were in a depression during one of the biggest economic turnarounds in history. Thanks Biden!

I thank Biden and Dem idiocy for bringing Trump back, and kudos to Kamala, nothing more.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I think that is a reasonable thing to debate, whether we are on the right track or not. You knuckleheads convinced yourselves we were in a depression during one of the biggest economic turnarounds in history. Thanks Biden!

Yes, yes....we get it. Biden was in his office, pretending to be a Celery Stalk, all the while orchestrating a huge turnaround. He deserves all the credit.

See, I don't give Trump any credit for anything other than not balancing the budget.

Biden, BTW had huge deficits.....but who cares.....it's only inflation a our kids futures.

I guess I've always been of the opinion that our economy is much to large and much to complex for a single variable analysis.

But we do it anyway and give all the credit to people like Biden who have no idea how an economy works.

 

[citygator]

I thank Biden and Dem idiocy for bringing Trump back, and kudos to Kamala, nothing more.

Thanks for the update.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Trump funded Covid.

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Endless hilarity.





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[citygator]

Yes, yes....we get it. Biden was in his office, pretending to be a Celery Stalk, all the while orchestrating a huge turnaround. He deserves all the credit.

See, I don't give Trump any credit for anything other than not balancing the budget.

Biden, BTW had huge deficits.....but who cares.....it's only inflation a our kids futures.

I guess I've always been of the opinion that our economy is much to large and much to complex for a single variable analysis.

But we do it anyway and give all the credit to people like Biden who have no idea how an economy works.

I'll give Biden credit for running a reasonable and professional government that allowed for predictable business. He didnt remake the country just guided it out of a chaotic scene set up by Trump and Covid. The dimwits on the right seemed to think Trump's failed experiment of leading via chaos would suddenly get better. It hasnt. I have no issues being on the losing end of ideas in a democracy but the whackadoodle nonsensical way Trump is leading is destructive for business and America.

 

[martybegan]

Make me.

I don't make monkeys, I just train them!

Next time don't leave don't leave a hanging curve over the plate.

 

[martybegan]

I'll give Biden credit for running a reasonable and professional government that allowed for predictable business. He didnt remake the country just guided it out of a chaotic scene set up by Trump and Covid. The dimwits on the right seemed to think Trump's failed experiment of leading via chaos would suddenly get better. It hasnt. I have no issues being on the losing end of ideas in a democracy but the whackadoodle nonsensical way Trump is leading is destructive for business and America.

Up your meds.

They aren't working anymore.

 

[Winco]

Of course it was Trump's fault.

True, but it was the fault of the (R) in Kerr County that didn't use the money given to them to build a proper warning system, because they have TDS and refused to take money from the biden administration for its proper use.........which is still a direct reflection to trump.

 

[knuckles]

Yes, but there was a flood in Texas.

Of course it was Trump's fault.

True, but it was the fault of the (R) in Kerr County that didn't use the money given to them to build a proper warning system, because they have TDS and refused to take money from the biden administration for its proper use.........which is still a direct reflection to trump.

I was being sarcastic. Christ have mercy. Twisted!

 

[pknopp]

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it was kinda sad really.

 

[Meathead]

I'll give Biden credit for running a reasonable and professional government that allowed for predictable business. He didnt remake the country just guided it out of a chaotic scene set up by Trump and Covid. The dimwits on the right seemed to think Trump's failed experiment of leading via chaos would suddenly get better. It hasnt. I have no issues being on the losing end of ideas in a democracy but the whackadoodle nonsensical way Trump is leading is destructive for business and America.

On all accounts, Biden was a flat-out failure.

 

[HikerGuy83]

'll give Biden credit for running a reasonable and professional government that allowed for predictable business.

His deficits were beyond stupid. It's amazing anyone can look right past that.

Biden, it is clear, ran nothing. What do you think he was doing?

He didnt remake the country just guided it out of a chaotic scene set up by Trump and Covid.

What did he run on?

I realize he didn't intend to run up prices and he got no support from the gaggle of idiots he put in place.

he dimwits on the right seemed to think Trump's failed experiment of leading via chaos would suddenly get better.

And just what metrics do you utilize to make those conclusions? I work in oil and gas and it yo-yoed terribly under Biden.

I have no issues being on the losing end of ideas in a democracy

I'll believe you when you can tell me just what it is that you use to make your determinations.

I've debated others, at length, about the need to create a specific report card for a president BEFORE he enters office based on what he said he'd do. And then track it. Nobody, on either side, is interested in that kind of accountability.

They prefer, like you seem to, to whine and complain about what's gone on. Somehow pretending that it should not have gone on.

but the whackadoodle nonsensical way Trump is leading is destructive for business and America.

Hmmm......My portfolio just hit another peak.

That isn't Trump, it's circumstances. But Trump obviously didn't send the country into a massive recession as some on the left claimed would happen. And others are starting to see his approach a little differently.

I have no disagreement with the idea of no tax cuts, increasing taxes on the wealthy and lifting the cap on S.S. The amount of wealth we have concentrated in a few hands is staggering.

And many I know, who are "conservative" are in agreement. However when your party is all about putting boys in the girls bathrooms (never mind the positions people take on it....my point is that when it is a priority over many other things......) instead of getting the lower middle class stablized.

And when we are now paying over 1 TRILLION on interest alone on our nationa debt (Trumps deficit this year is supposed to be 1. 35 trillion....so rough 75% of our deficit is for INTEREST), and NO ONE is talking about it....but the left wants to spend MORE.........you are not going to get support for programs.

I don't follow the Trump takeover of the DC police, but something is happening. Good or Bad, many people want someone to try something.

And they don't want an entire party lying their asses off about how sharp the Alzheimer's patient in the WH is.

 

[citygator]

His deficits were beyond stupid. It's amazing anyone can look right past that.

Trump added to Obama’s deficits every year. He left Biden with a record deficit. Biden reduced the deficit. Trump in his first budget in second term added 3T in deficit. Trump cut nothing. His budget is worse. You have to know that. It’s in print you can read it.

Biden, it is clear, ran nothing. What do you think he was doing?

Biden passed historic legislation that was bipartisan. CHIPs bill is the only thing that created more US manufacturing in the last 50 years. Infrastructure bill is still ongoing and building. We had allies.

What did he run on?

Freedom liberty reality. Not US troops deployed against Americans.

I realize he didn't intend to run up prices and he got no support from the gaggle of idiots he put in place.

Prices increased due to Covid disruption. Anyone who thinks increased demand from spending drove up prices hasn’t looked into it.

And just what metrics do you utilize to make those conclusions? I work in oil and gas and it yo-yoed terribly under Biden.

Oil and gas output was at historical highs under Biden. There was more US work than ever. Under Trump the industry was in dire straits before Covid (2019) then got worse (Covid).

I'll believe you when you can tell me just what it is that you use to make your determinations.

Trump had record high unemployment and record low GDP. He lost jobs. He had no covid plan and just let the country flounder.

I've debated others, at length, about the need to create a specific report card for a president BEFORE he enters office based on what he said he'd do. And then track it. Nobody, on either side, is interested in that kind of accountability.

There are tons of report cards. Trump is doing well on golf trips. It’s too early to tell the impact of his policies but there are signs of trouble. We aren’t in a recession… yet. We will see.

They prefer, like you seem to, to whine and complain about what's gone on. Somehow pretending that it should not have gone on.

The entire right pretended like we didn’t have the best economy in the world under Biden. They whined about world wide inflation. We had lower inflation than almost every first world. We no longer do plus GDP is soft year to date. We will see where Trump takes us.

Hmmm......My portfolio just hit another peak.

So did mine. Just like it did 114 times under Biden.

That isn't Trump, it's circumstances. But Trump obviously didn't send the country into a massive recession as some on the left claimed would happen. And others are starting to see his approach a little differently.

Unlike zombie righties we don’t lie about the economy. It’s not in the tank…yet. Consumer spending is softening and job growth has slowed. Inflation has ticked up but not out of control. We’ll see where it goes but I’m concerned. Inflation is coming. For sure. Economy has a cough but it’s not sick. Is it coming down with something? We will see.

I have no disagreement with the idea of no tax cuts, increasing taxes on the wealthy and lifting the cap on S.S. The amount of wealth we have concentrated in a few hands is staggering.

Agree

And many I know, who are "conservative" are in agreement. However when your party is all about putting boys in the girls bathrooms (never mind the positions people take on it....my point is that when it is a priority over many other things......) instead of getting the lower middle class stablized.

The GOP just finds small groups to pick on as a policy. That’s it. There are almost no trans people in America but if you are on the right you have been convinced millions are coming to rape your kids. It’s nonsense.

And when we are now paying over 1 TRILLION on interest alone on our nationa debt (Trumps deficit this year is supposed to be 1. 35 trillion....so rough 75% of our deficit is for INTEREST), and NO ONE is talking about it....but the left wants to spend MORE.........you are not going to get support for programs.

Trump cut zero dollars in spending. Look his budget up. It went from helping people to spending on the military. A gift for the defense industry support.

I don't follow the Trump takeover of the DC police, but something is happening. Good or Bad, many people want someone to try something.

DC was at a historic low level of crime. Two very safe places are China and Russia. Wonder why? Also safe is plenty of places with less guns. Deploying military is unconscionable. Fund more police if you want.

And they don't want an entire party lying their asses off about how sharp the Alzheimer's patient in the WH is.

The people didn’t let him run a second term. The right ran their mentally diminished president a second time.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Trump added to Obama’s deficits every year.

He did. And you'll find my posts on the subject very critical of him, just like I have been during this term. But Obama had huge deficits too when he first started. He was the first to sport a 1 trillion plus and he had several of them. But they were coming down as the economy recovered.

Trump pushed from 1/2 trillion to nearly a trillion.

He left Biden with a record deficit.

Yes, well we all know Covid and the shutdowns had nothing to do with that.

Biden reduced the deficit.

This is where your credibility suffers. The data shows that Bidens first deficits came down (they could not be sustained and we were coming out of Covid. BTW: Biden owns the second huge covid deficit. But then...guess what. Trump first three were below a trillion. Biden never got them below 1.5 trillion. You know....Bidenomics was working. And you know that. It's there for you to see.

Trump in his first budget in second term added 3T in deficit.

His first term is eight months old. These are runnouts that are never tracked and you know that. Fuzzy math based on things like tax cuts but with no allowance for the potential reduction due to economic activity. More credibility loss for you.

Trump is on track for a Biden type deficit in 2025 and nobody is more pissed about it than me.

Biden passed historic legislation that was bipartisan. CHIPs bill is the only thing that created more US manufacturing in the last 50 years. Infrastructure bill is still ongoing and building. We had allies.

Yep, and no way to pay for it. Guess where those huge Biden deficits came from. It was hysterical to watch him in the debate tell us all about what he was going to do without telling us how he was going to pay for it. "I'll give this away and I'll give that away" and all I could see is the defiit meter speeding up. Biden was first president to pay over 1 trillion in interest on the debt. A place we got to very fast.

I lay this pretty much at the feet of GWB for lots of reasons.

There are tons of report cards.

Oh, by all means, please share one that was created prior to the administration taking over. The "real time" marketing bs means nothing to me.

Gotta go.....not going to spend time replying to the confirmational bias that is posted afterwards.

Biden did all these great things.....but:

The people didn’t let him run a second term.

Ooops.........

Actually the people did let him run for a second term. Nancy Pelosi scotched all that. Why ? You tell me.

The right ran their mentally diminished president a second time.

And he got a majority of the vote (something you dorks said would never happen again). There is your bottom line.

So, I hope your mancave is set up with all your Biden Worship. I know what I got with Trump. When I voted for him in 2016, I only cared about one thing....and my vote was justified:

Gorsuch
Kavennaugh
Barrett

You have a day....I hear they are having a Biden parade somewhere in Iran.....why don't you think about attending.

 

[citygator]

He did. And you'll find my posts on the subject very critical of him, just like I have been during this term. But Obama had huge deficits too when he first started. He was the first to sport a 1 trillion plus and he had several of them. But they were coming down as the economy recovered.

Trump pushed from 1/2 trillion to nearly a trillion.


Yes, well we all know Covid and the shutdowns had nothing to do with that.


This is where your credibility suffers. The data shows that Bidens first deficits came down (they could not be sustained and we were coming out of Covid. BTW: Biden owns the second huge covid deficit. But then...guess what. Trump first three were below a trillion. Biden never got them below 1.5 trillion. You know....Bidenomics was working. And you know that. It's there for you to see.


His first term is eight months old. These are runnouts that are never tracked and you know that. Fuzzy math based on things like tax cuts but with no allowance for the potential reduction due to economic activity. More credibility loss for you.

Trump is on track for a Biden type deficit in 2025 and nobody is more pissed about it than me.


Yep, and no way to pay for it. Guess where those huge Biden deficits came from. It was hysterical to watch him in the debate tell us all about what he was going to do without telling us how he was going to pay for it. "I'll give this away and I'll give that away" and all I could see is the defiit meter speeding up. Biden was first president to pay over 1 trillion in interest on the debt. A place we got to very fast.

I lay this pretty much at the feet of GWB for lots of reasons.

Oh, by all means, please share one that was created prior to the administration taking over. The "real time" marketing bs means nothing to me.

Gotta go.....not going to spend time replying to the confirmational bias that is posted afterwards.

Biden did all these great things.....but:


Ooops.........

Actually the people did let him run for a second term. Nancy Pelosi scotched all that. Why ? You tell me.


And he got a majority of the vote (something you dorks said would never happen again). There is your bottom line.

So, I hope your mancave is set up with all your Biden Worship. I know what I got with Trump. When I voted for him in 2016, I only cared about one thing....and my vote was justified:

Gorsuch
Kavennaugh
Barrett

You have a day....I hear they are having a Biden parade somewhere in Iran.....why don't you think about attending.

Yawn. I don’t worship Biden. No one did. You know who is worshipped? The Orange god.

Trump did all the things you disliked about Biden but because he hates who you hate, all is good. I don’t get how Americans can hate other Americans because they believe in a progressive tax structure, cutting taxes for the rich is a bad idea, and that if you want to be gay or have an abortion that is up to you.

But somehow talk radio birthed Fox News which birthed Trump all focused on vile hate and division. Embrace it. Love the hate.

 

[HikerGuy83]

No one did.

Amazing you can make such a statement and then turn around kill your credibility by saying:

You know who is worshipped? The Orange god.

Simply amazing.

I don’t get how Americans can hate other Americans because they believe in a progressive tax structure, cutting taxes for the rich is a bad idea, and that if you want to be gay or have an abortion that is up to you.

I guess the study of society and cultures just isn't your thing.

But somehow talk radio birthed Fox News which birthed Trump all focused on vile hate and division. Embrace it. Love the hate.

Is this how you get yourself to sleep at night. With this little fairy tale?

 

[Ringo]

 

[citygator]

You have to have the whole picture. You need to compare to wages which have grown from $32k per person in 2000 too $66K per person which means full time workers are actually 12% "richer".

However that is skewed by the rich and the fact is most people are flat in purchasing power since the 70's its just not as bad as your graphic presents. Still an issue though.

Wages for full time people are:

Metric	Value
AWI (nominal) — 2000 to 2023	+107% (from $32,155 to $66,622)
Real wage growth (2006–2025)	+11.9% inflation-adjusted

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It takes them a while to compose something negative about Trump on this. Invariably it will not be important, credit should go to someone else or something along those lines

Democrats will simply lie and say Epstein. We will get another round of soaring prices and ruined retirement accounts. Oh yeah, Epstein.