Don't Visit Sanctuary Cities/Counties/States

[protectionist]

No, the policy is you are not allowed to ask (papers please?), not you are not allowed to tell. Don't ask, nothing to tell. No laws broken...

You are twisting words around, and maybe thinking you can get somebody confused. I'm not confused.

The policy (LAW) is not being allowed to ask, or not being allowed to tell. It is being REQUIRED TO TELL (as I just showed you by posting the laws, giving you no excuse now to not know what they are)

You cannot tell what you are not allowed to ask. Sanctuary city - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia means you are not allowed to ask, not that you are not forbidden from telling, but asking in the first place, which,...................................................wait for it,........................................is not against the law.

I've given you the laws. All you need to do is read them (SLOWLY) and then you will know what you're talking about, instead of flailing around in the dark, as you've been doing here.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'll help you out. The Feds say you can't forbid someone from sending or receiving information as the the color of my underpants. Great, good so far. And then the state of _____ passes a law that says local police cannot ask about the color of my underpants. Since the police cannot ask, and the Feds don't know, no laws are broken and the color of my underpants is my concern, only.

 

[protectionist]

Good night.

Do your reading assignment. Tomorrow there will be a quiz.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No, the policy is you are not allowed to ask (papers please?), not you are not allowed to tell. Don't ask, nothing to tell. No laws broken...

You are twisting words around, and maybe thinking you can get somebody confused. I'm not confused.

The policy (LAW) is not being allowed to ask, or not being allowed to tell. It is being REQUIRED TO TELL (as I just showed you by posting the laws, giving you no excuse now to not know what they are)

You cannot tell what you are not allowed to ask. Sanctuary city - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia means you are not allowed to ask, not that you are not forbidden from telling, but asking in the first place, which,...................................................wait for it,........................................is not against the law.

I've given you the laws. All you need to do is read them (SLOWLY) and then you will know what you're talking about, instead of flailing around in the dark, as you've been doing here.

By law, they can be forbidden to ask. By law, they cannot be forbidden to tell or to be told. If they are forbidden to ask, not forbidden to tell or be told, no laws have been broken. Learn the ******* law.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Good night.

Do your reading assignment. Tomorrow there will be a quiz.

Your ass has been kicked so hard you might as well go to bed since you have no clue what you are talking about. A city that forbids you from asking is not breaking the law.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

For those who don't get this, the Feds say, you cannot be forbidden from telling us Subject A has a gun or from us telling you Subject A has a gun. By law we have to be able to discuss whether or not Subject A does or does not not have a gun. Good so far? Then along comes NRAville which passes a law that says, Local Authorities are not allowed to ask subjects of NRAville if they have guns or not. Said law being passed, when Officer Friendly stops you for jaywalking he has no knowledge of whether or not you have a gun because he's not allowed to ask, so therefore there is nothing to report to the Feds, meaning no law is broken.

It's not that you have a gun and he can't say so, or you don't have a gun and he can't say so, he does not know because he's not allowed to ask in the first place, which isn't against the law.

This is not ask and don't tell, this is do not ask, which is perfectly legal.

 

[OKTexas]

Could you mention exactly where Jesus endorsed breaking the law?

Helping illegals is breaking the law? Care to show us where?

As for Jesus, he was big on helping those in need, something you wouldn't understand.

il·le·gal
(ĭ-lē′gəl)
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
n. Offensive
A person who is not legally authorized to live and work in a country.
Illegal - definition of illegal by The Free Dictionary

accomplice
(əˈkɒmplɪs; əˈkʌm-)
n
1. a person who helps another in committing a crime
Accomplice - definition of accomplice by The Free Dictionary

Same question, where does it say it's illegal to help illegals?

Are you being insincere, or are you really that ignorant ? (in the case of liberals, being understandable)

Title 8 Section 1373 and Title 8 Section 1644 of the U.S. Code. Those statutes say, in plain English, that a city may not have a policy that prohibits its officers from communicating with the federal government about a person’s immigration status

8 U.S. Code § 1373 - Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service

(a)In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
(b) Additional authority of government entities
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way restrict, a Federal, State, or local government entity from doing any of the following with respect to information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual:
(1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
(2) Maintaining such information.
(3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal, State, or local government entity.
(c) Obligation to respond to inquiries
The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.

8 U.S. Code § 1644 - Communication between State and local government agencies and Immigration and Naturalization Service

Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no State or local government entity may be prohibited, or in any way restricted, from sending to or receiving from the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of an alien in the United States.

In addition, the 1996 Immigration

They can't communicate what they are forbidden to ask, now can they?

Yet the SF sheriff said it was against policy to notify ICE that the scumbag was being released, everyone already knew his status. That policy is a violation of law. YOU FAIL, AGAIN.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Helping illegals is breaking the law? Care to show us where?

As for Jesus, he was big on helping those in need, something you wouldn't understand.

il·le·gal
(ĭ-lē′gəl)
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
n. Offensive
A person who is not legally authorized to live and work in a country.
Illegal - definition of illegal by The Free Dictionary

accomplice
(əˈkɒmplɪs; əˈkʌm-)
n
1. a person who helps another in committing a crime
Accomplice - definition of accomplice by The Free Dictionary

Same question, where does it say it's illegal to help illegals?

Are you being insincere, or are you really that ignorant ? (in the case of liberals, being understandable)

Title 8 Section 1373 and Title 8 Section 1644 of the U.S. Code. Those statutes say, in plain English, that a city may not have a policy that prohibits its officers from communicating with the federal government about a person’s immigration status

8 U.S. Code § 1373 - Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service

(a)In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
(b) Additional authority of government entities
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way restrict, a Federal, State, or local government entity from doing any of the following with respect to information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual:
(1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
(2) Maintaining such information.
(3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal, State, or local government entity.
(c) Obligation to respond to inquiries
The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.

8 U.S. Code § 1644 - Communication between State and local government agencies and Immigration and Naturalization Service

Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no State or local government entity may be prohibited, or in any way restricted, from sending to or receiving from the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of an alien in the United States.

In addition, the 1996 Immigration

They can't communicate what they are forbidden to ask, now can they?

Yet the SF sheriff said it was against policy to notify ICE that the scumbag was being released, everyone already knew his status. That policy is a violation of law. YOU FAIL, AGAIN.

Seems you have a problem, and the story wrong as usual: S.F. Sheriff Fires Back At S.F. Mayor Over Sanctuary City Policy - Breitbart

San Francisco Sheriff Sanctuary City Policy Makes Us Safer - Breitbart

"Sanchez told television reporters in a jailhouse interview that he decided to come to San Francisco because of its sanctuary city status, which prohibits city employees from helping federal authorities with immigration investigations or arrests unless required by law or warrant. That said, the ordinance does not prohibit local law enforcement from informing ICE that they've arrested someone in the country illegally for a felony offense or who has prior felony convictions. Since the shooting, the sanctuary city policy has been criticized by everybody from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump to Fox News host Bill O'Reilly."
SF Mayor Ed Lee to Sheriff Mirkarimi Notify Feds When Releasing Undocumented Felons NBC Bay Area

 

[protectionist]

No, the policy is you are not allowed to ask (papers please?), not you are not allowed to tell. Don't ask, nothing to tell. No laws broken...

This guy is a parrot. He keeps repeating the same total even after he has been 100% REFUTED. Well, that's what liberals do. HO HUM. YAWN ****

For anyone who missed it earlier, for the REAL explanation of the illegality of sanctuary cities, see POST # 105.

 

[protectionist]

Yet the SF sheriff said it was against policy to notify ICE that the scumbag was being released, everyone already knew his status. That policy is a violation of law. YOU FAIL, AGAIN.

He knows he failed. He's LYING. He thinks if he just keeps repeating it enough times, and fills up the thread with his people will believe him. I don't know what makes him think that, when I posted the laws in Post # 105, and they are clear and easy to read.

8 U.S. Code § 1644 and 8 U.S. Code § 1373

 

[protectionist]

Here's a list of some of the best places to visit in the USA, that are not sanctuary cities/counties/states. Here you won't be spending your money and helping sanctuary criminal public officials protect illegal aliens.

VISIT HERE

1. Entire state of Hawaii (includes #1 Maui, and # 8 Honolulu - Oahu in US News & World Report >
Best Places to Visit in the USA

2. Yellowstone - Idaho City, ID (# 2 in US N & WR Best Places)

3. Grand Canyon - Prescott & Flagstaff, Arizona (# 3 in Best Places list) Don't go to Tuscon or Phoenix which are sanctuary cities. ALso Phoenix is the hottest city in America. Temperatures routinely go 110 + degrees. Tuscon very hot too.

4. Yosemite - (# 5 of Best Places list)

5. Orlando-Walt Disney World - (# 10 of Best Places list)

6. Charleston, South Carolina - (# 11 on Best Places list)

7. Cape Cod, Massachusetts - (# 14 in Best Places list) I visited here 51 years ago. LOVED IT! Believe it or not, in all these years, it hasn't changed much. You'll love their clam chowder.

8. Anchorage, Alaska - (# 17 in Best Places to Visit list) Great place to go in summer.

9. Sedona, Arizona - (Same area as Grand Canyon - # 18 on list)

10. Gatlinburg, Tennessee - (another one I've been too. Great tourist, fun place at gateway to Smokey Mountains National Park. Very scenic.

ALSO >> These Entire states are sanctuary free. Anywhere in them is cool. >

Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Missouri, Delaware, Indiana, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, Alaska, Hawaii.

 

[protectionist]

8 U.S. Code § 1373 - Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service

(a)In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
(b) Additional authority of government entities
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way restrict, a Federal, State, or local government entity from doing any of the following with respect to information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual:
(1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
(2) Maintaining such information.
(3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal, State, or local government entity.
(c) Obligation to respond to inquiries
The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.

8 U.S. Code § 1644 - Communication between State and local government agencies and Immigration and Naturalization Service

Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no State or local government entity may be prohibited, or in any way restricted, from sending to or receiving from the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of an alien in the United States.'

 

[OKTexas]

il·le·gal
(ĭ-lē′gəl)
adj.
1. Prohibited by law.
2. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
3. Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
n. Offensive
A person who is not legally authorized to live and work in a country.
Illegal - definition of illegal by The Free Dictionary

accomplice
(əˈkɒmplɪs; əˈkʌm-)
n
1. a person who helps another in committing a crime
Accomplice - definition of accomplice by The Free Dictionary

Same question, where does it say it's illegal to help illegals?

Are you being insincere, or are you really that ignorant ? (in the case of liberals, being understandable)

Title 8 Section 1373 and Title 8 Section 1644 of the U.S. Code. Those statutes say, in plain English, that a city may not have a policy that prohibits its officers from communicating with the federal government about a person’s immigration status

8 U.S. Code § 1373 - Communication between government agencies and the Immigration and Naturalization Service

(a)In general
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, a Federal, State, or local government entity or official may not prohibit, or in any way restrict, any government entity or official from sending to, or receiving from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual.
(b) Additional authority of government entities
Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no person or agency may prohibit, or in any way restrict, a Federal, State, or local government entity from doing any of the following with respect to information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual:
(1) Sending such information to, or requesting or receiving such information from, the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
(2) Maintaining such information.
(3) Exchanging such information with any other Federal, State, or local government entity.
(c) Obligation to respond to inquiries
The Immigration and Naturalization Service shall respond to an inquiry by a Federal, State, or local government agency, seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information.

8 U.S. Code § 1644 - Communication between State and local government agencies and Immigration and Naturalization Service

Notwithstanding any other provision of Federal, State, or local law, no State or local government entity may be prohibited, or in any way restricted, from sending to or receiving from the Immigration and Naturalization Service information regarding the immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of an alien in the United States.

In addition, the 1996 Immigration

They can't communicate what they are forbidden to ask, now can they?

Yet the SF sheriff said it was against policy to notify ICE that the scumbag was being released, everyone already knew his status. That policy is a violation of law. YOU FAIL, AGAIN.

Seems you have a problem, and the story wrong as usual: S.F. Sheriff Fires Back At S.F. Mayor Over Sanctuary City Policy - Breitbart

San Francisco Sheriff Sanctuary City Policy Makes Us Safer - Breitbart

"Sanchez told television reporters in a jailhouse interview that he decided to come to San Francisco because of its sanctuary city status, which prohibits city employees from helping federal authorities with immigration investigations or arrests unless required by law or warrant. That said, the ordinance does not prohibit local law enforcement from informing ICE that they've arrested someone in the country illegally for a felony offense or who has prior felony convictions. Since the shooting, the sanctuary city policy has been criticized by everybody from Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump to Fox News host Bill O'Reilly."
SF Mayor Ed Lee to Sheriff Mirkarimi Notify Feds When Releasing Undocumented Felons NBC Bay Area

Really:

(my bold)

The San Francisco Deputy Sheriffs’ Association called for Mirkarimi to correct his “flawed philosophy” and rescind the March 13 memo prohibiting his staff from giving immigration agents information about detainees — including their citizenship status, their booking and arrest documents, and their release dates.

The grievance, filed by union attorneys and sent to the sheriff Monday, adds a new layer to a national debate about sanctuary-city laws that limit cooperation between local agencies and immigration authorities.

Mirkarimi has said his policy reflected the spirit of a 2013 city ordinance intended to protect immigrants — and that city leaders should get together and change the ordinance if they see fit.

Blog SF sheriff deputies union files grievance against order not to talk to ICE officials about illegals

Tell me again how they're not violating federal law. Sound like someone is speaking with forked tongue.

 

[protectionist]

Really: (my bold)
The San Francisco Deputy Sheriffs’ Association called for Mirkarimi to correct his “flawed philosophy” and rescind the March 13 memo prohibiting his staff from giving immigration agents information about detainees — including their citizenship status, their booking and arrest documents, and their release dates.

The grievance, filed by union attorneys and sent to the sheriff Monday, adds a new layer to a national debate about sanctuary-city laws that limit cooperation between local agencies and immigration authorities.

Mirkarimi has said his policy reflected the spirit of a 2013 city ordinance intended to protect immigrants — and that city leaders should get together and change the ordinance if they see fit.

Blog SF sheriff deputies union files grievance against order not to talk to ICE officials about illegals

Tell me again how they're not violating federal law. Sound like someone is speaking with forked tongue.

PMH is totally talking with forked tongue. He's is saying things then are entirely OFF TOPIC, and have nothing to do with this issue. Must be some kind of a distraction tactic. Hasn't worked for him. He's doing nothing in this thread but make a fool out of himself.

 

[protectionist]

Hey! We're having a BAN SANCTUARY CITY PARTY!

WHOO - HOO!! Let's start with getting the feds over to San Franwacko to arrest the county supervisors, and throw all their asses in jail, where they belong. Could you imagine working in the building with them ? Barf!!

 

[OKTexas]

Hey! We're having a BAN SANCTUARY CITY PARTY!

WHOO - HOO!! Let's start with getting the feds over to San Franwacko to arrest the county supervisors, and throw all their asses in jail, where they belong. Could you imagine working in the building with them ? Barf!!

Never happen with this DOJ.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Really: (my bold)
The San Francisco Deputy Sheriffs’ Association called for Mirkarimi to correct his “flawed philosophy” and rescind the March 13 memo prohibiting his staff from giving immigration agents information about detainees — including their citizenship status, their booking and arrest documents, and their release dates.

The grievance, filed by union attorneys and sent to the sheriff Monday, adds a new layer to a national debate about sanctuary-city laws that limit cooperation between local agencies and immigration authorities.

Mirkarimi has said his policy reflected the spirit of a 2013 city ordinance intended to protect immigrants — and that city leaders should get together and change the ordinance if they see fit.

Blog SF sheriff deputies union files grievance against order not to talk to ICE officials about illegals

Tell me again how they're not violating federal law. Sound like someone is speaking with forked tongue.

PMH is totally talking with forked tongue. He's is saying things then are entirely OFF TOPIC, and have nothing to do with this issue. Must be some kind of a distraction tactic. Hasn't worked for him. He's doing nothing in this thread but make a fool out of himself.

Look old friend, if the Sheriff's policy is out of line then it needs to be adjusted. The SF law as it stands is not against the law. If the difference between being forbidden to ask, not forbidden to discuss someone's status with the Feds, and the Feds had this guy in prison and didn't deport him. Save your vitriol for the Feds, they are responsible for deportations not San Fransisco.

We do not (yet) have every Barney Fife stopping the wetbacks on the street to ask for their papers. That is not the law, and the laws that sanctuary cities have created are legal, like it or not. You might believe they are breaking the Federal laws, as if you give a damn about obeying the Feds, but they are not. This is a Federal issue, not a state or local issue. They had the guy in prison right before this and didn't deport him. And next time, use a real source and read up first.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Now here is a decent source: S.F. sheriff apos s deputies call lack of communication with ICE apos reckless apos after pier shooting - LA Times

"The grievance by the San Francisco Deputy Sheriffs' Assn. challenges Mirkarimi's March 13 department-wide memo that called for "limited contact and communication with ICE representatives absent a court-issued warrant, a signed court order, or other legal requirement authorizing ICE access."

The memo then details which information can and cannot be shared without a court order.

Mirkarimi's directive went a step further than the city's 2013 Due Process for All ordinance, which bars jail officials from honoring ICE requests that inmates be held beyond their release dates for pickup unless the inmate faced court action on a violent felony charge and was convicted of a similar crime in the past seven years.

He issued the memo as departments across the state and nation also implemented policies barring the honoring of detainers absent a judicial warrant. ICE has said it cannot obtain such probable cause warrants because there is not a process readily available for such a purpose.

The crackdown on cooperation with ICE came after federal courts last year deemed the detainers unconstitutional absent some kind of judicial review."
S.F. sheriff apos s deputies call lack of communication with ICE apos reckless apos after pier shooting - LA Times


Fix the laws, then ***** and moan and remember, the Feds had this guy, in prison before they turned him over to SF, and they, not SF, are responsible for deportations and checking immigration status, not Barney Fife and his merry band of city workers.

 

[protectionist]

Never happen with this DOJ.

That's why we need to get going with a new DOJ. This one is a catastrophe.

 

[protectionist]