Zone1 Don't Look for the Truth About Jesus and His Church on the internet

[Carl in Michigan]

That sounds like JWs

Just another man-made FALSE religion

which will definitely lead to Hell. Yes, Hell is eternal death... LIVING death..

Someone claimed to have visited Hell after a near death experience, said he saw Hitler in Hell, being gassed in the Auschwitz (etc) ovens like the Jews were... over and over for all eternity.

If you want to go to a place like that, the first thing you must do is refuse to believe in it (says the devil)

Jesus said most people do not make it to Heaven

Every religion has SOME truth -- Even the Catholic Church

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Those are primitive beliefs none are true

Youll know in a few years

 

[Hafar1014]

Youll know in a few years

I know now

 

[ding]

There is no hell most religions dont believe in hell.

Judaism teaches there is an afterlife, but it is a complex and varied concept without a single, universally accepted dogma, rather encompassing ideas of resurrection, reincarnation, and a spiritual existence in the "World to Come" (Olam Ha-Ba). Beliefs range from the physical resurrection of the body during the Messianic age to souls living on through one's descendants or experiencing a spiritual state of connection with God after death.

Here are some key aspects of the Jewish view of the afterlife:

• Olam Ha-Ba (The World to Come): This is a broad term for the afterlife, often understood as a spiritual existence where souls experience a deeper connection with God, separate from the physical world.
• Resurrection of the Dead (Tehiyat Ha-Metim): A traditional belief is the physical resurrection of the dead during or after the messianic era, though some interpret this more metaphorically.
• Reincarnation: This is a belief found in Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah, though it is not a universal or central tenet for all Jews.
• Immortality of the Soul: The idea that the soul continues to exist after the body dies is a prevalent concept within Jewish thought.
• Gehinnom: A concept similar to purgatory or a temporary cleansing place for the soul after death, rather than an eternal hell.
• Focus on This World: Despite belief in an afterlife, Judaism traditionally emphasizes the importance of living a meaningful life and fulfilling mitzvot (commandments) in this world.

The diversity of these beliefs is a feature of Jewish tradition, with different movements and periods holding various interpretations of what happens after death.

 

[Hafar1014]

Judaism teaches there is an afterlife, but it is a complex and varied concept without a single, universally accepted dogma, rather encompassing ideas of resurrection, reincarnation, and a spiritual existence in the "World to Come" (Olam Ha-Ba). Beliefs range from the physical resurrection of the body during the Messianic age to souls living on through one's descendants or experiencing a spiritual state of connection with God after death.

Here are some key aspects of the Jewish view of the afterlife:

• Olam Ha-Ba (The World to Come): This is a broad term for the afterlife, often understood as a spiritual existence where souls experience a deeper connection with God, separate from the physical world.
• Resurrection of the Dead (Tehiyat Ha-Metim): A traditional belief is the physical resurrection of the dead during or after the messianic era, though some interpret this more metaphorically.
• Reincarnation: This is a belief found in Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah, though it is not a universal or central tenet for all Jews.
• Immortality of the Soul: The idea that the soul continues to exist after the body dies is a prevalent concept within Jewish thought.
• Gehinnom: A concept similar to purgatory or a temporary cleansing place for the soul after death, rather than an eternal hell.
• Focus on This World: Despite belief in an afterlife, Judaism traditionally emphasizes the importance of living a meaningful life and fulfilling mitzvot (commandments) in this world.

The diversity of these beliefs is a feature of Jewish tradition, with different movements and periods holding various interpretations of what happens after death.

In Judaism its called Sheol the afterlife. There is no hell. Hell was created as a threat to compel obedience. I have had experience with the afterlife. Its real

 

[ding]

In Judaism its called Sheol the afterlife. There is no hell. Hell was created as a threat to compel obedience. I have had experience with the afterlife. Its real

So you are saying that you will end up at the same place as Hitler?

 

[BreezeWood]

So you are saying that you will end up at the same place as Hitler?

Judaism teaches there is an afterlife, but it is a complex and varied concept without a single, universally accepted dogma, rather encompassing ideas of resurrection, reincarnation, and a spiritual existence in the "World to Come" (Olam Ha-Ba)

certainly the 1st century events, jesus would agree to the judaism afterlife before heaven than the demonic christianity written in the 4th century ...

- do you ever remember what previously you have posted ...

yes, hitler went where all sinners begin - they have no chance for heaven.

 

[ding]

certainly the 1st century events, jesus would agree to the judaism afterlife before heaven than the demonic christianity written in the 4th century ...

- do you ever remember what previously you have posted ...

yes, hitler went where all sinners begin - they have no chance for heaven.

You have such bizarre beliefs it can only be that you make up your religion as you go along. Your beliefs deny examination because they are clouded in secrecy. No one knows where you get your beliefs from.

As for the Christian belief in after life it was informed by documented interactions and observations of the risen Christ. It literally transformed the views of resurrection of the day.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Every religion has SOME truth --

Big deal

None of them teach the ENTIRE Truth of Jesus Christ except the Catholic Church

not to mention that they lack the Real Presence

 

[forkintheroad7]

So you are saying that you will end up at the same place as Hitler?

LOL

Indirectly, that's what poster is saying

 

[The Irish Ram]

"Many are called, but few are chosen" (see the Parable of the Sower). Not being chosen in the church age doesn't mean condemnation to "hell". The Judgment period also doesn't mean that all who are judged will be condemned

I struggle with that. At the White Throne Judgment, it doesn't mention that anyone is found not guilty.
In fact, you mentioned the way to Heaven and my thought shot to, "I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father except through me".

What I struggle with is, I could not convince my best friend to accept Christ. He was absolutely a wonderful man. He helped everybody and everybody loved him. Orphaned in high school, he worked for everything he had. I just couldn't get through to him the need for Christ. On the other hand, the Judge conducting the WTJ is the most gentle, loving creature there is. I am banking on that, because I am going to filibuster on my friend's behalf.

The Bible states that hell is emptied out to face trial at the White Throne Judgment. But so are those asleep, and the dead in the sea, and yet Paul says that we go straight up when we die if we accept Christ. (Abraham's Bosom/Paradise was closed after Jesus took that group out.) But Hell is still open for business. So, who are the dead in the sea? Why aren't their souls in one place or the other?
We know all about hell because of the rich man and the beggar. Those souls aren't sleeping. Souls have no need to sleep. They were on one side, or the other, of the chasm that separated Paradise from Hell. One side waiting for Jesus to pay for their sins and take them with Him, and the other side is waiting for the White Throne Judgment. Hell will be closed at that point, because Death was also conquered by Christ. We will no longer die when Christ takes over, our bodies will be uncorruptible. Just like God, the angels, and Jesus, we are eternal beings.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Judaism teaches there is an afterlife, but it is a complex and varied concept without a single, universally accepted dogma, rather encompassing ideas of resurrection, reincarnation, a

This is NEWS to me! The Israelites (in the Old Testament) believed in GOD. Then after Jesus came, they went away from the true God (by rejecting Jesus) and..

what, that's when they accepted reincarnation?

They never did before then.

not sure where you get your "info"

 

[bdavidc]

Well, there are good sources of information on the internet but I've been to You Tube and other places and found some godawful stuff.

You’re correct, there is deception online. Jesus said “many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many” (Matthew 24:11). They do it with “visions” and “experiences” to build their own theology. God’s Word is already complete. It doesn’t need someones’ YouTube story to verify it.

Those who claim to have afterlife experiences may be sincere, but sincerity is not synonymous with truth. The Bible states “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). No one returns to give new revelation about Heaven or Hell.

And regarding “Once Saved Always Saved” the problem isn’t the phrase. The problem is how some people pervert it. Salvation is secure for the person truly born again, but the ones Jesus warns about in Matthew 7:21–23 are false converts. Jesus said, “Not everyone who says unto Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father.”

The narrow way is faith that produces obedience. Anything else is self deception.

 

[forkintheroad7]

And regarding “Once Saved Always Saved” the problem isn’t the phrase. The problem is how some people pervert it.

No, the problem is the phrase AND how people pervert the Gospel message. You can't just have some great experience with Jesus (I have) and then your life is perfect before the absolutely Holy God and you will go straight to Heaven when you die, despite your sins. -HERESY

A lot of American Christians believe this stuff and then are likely very SHOCKED to find themselves in Hell.

I have read the DR Bible more than once and have heard the entire Bible read to me at Holy Mass for decades (daily Mass), and all through the Bible we are told that we will be judged by our DEEDS. There is nothing there that says we will be saved by believing in Jesus.. In fact, it says the opposite in James 2:24

It says that without works, faith is DEAD.

Obviously, nothing dead gets into Heaven ("where no unclean thing will enter"-Book of Revelation)

 

[bdavidc]

No, the problem is the phrase AND how people pervert the Gospel message. You can't just have some great experience with Jesus (I have) and then your life is perfect before the absolutely Holy God and you will go straight to Heaven when you die, despite your sins. -HERESY

A lot of American Christians believe this stuff and then are likely very SHOCKED to find themselves in Hell.

I have read the DR Bible more than once and have heard the entire Bible read to me at Holy Mass for decades (daily Mass), and all through the Bible we are told that we will be judged by our DEEDS. There is nothing there that says we will be saved by believing in Jesus.. In fact, it says the opposite in James 2:24

It says that without works, faith is DEAD.

Obviously, nothing dead gets into Heaven ("where no unclean thing will enter"-Book of Revelation)

You are correct that dead faith will not save a person, but the Bible is clear that we are saved by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8–9). “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”

The “deeds” in judgment are not the “means” by which we are saved, but the evidence to each person of what is true in their heart. The words in Romans 2: 6–8 where God “will render to each one according to his works” is not about a system of earning salvation. It is the evidence to prove what is true in the heart. Genuine faith always results in obedience. False faith always results in hypocrisy.

James 2: 24 does not contradict Paul; he complements him. James was not teaching that works saves us. He was teaching that the kind of faith that saves never remains alone in a person, it produces good works (James 2:17). That is why James said, “I will show you my faith by my works” (James 2:18).

So yes, those who claim Christ and continue to live in gross sin will be shocked to find out their faith never saved them, but it will not be because of a lack of faith but rather the proof that they never had saving faith to begin with. Jesus plainly said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father” (Matthew 7:21).

Salvation is of Christ alone, and works are the fruit of that salvation, not the cause.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, there are good sources of information on the internet but I've been to You Tube and other places and found some godawful stuff.

There are videos where people claim they led very un-Christian lives, then had an afterlife experience and saw Heaven. Ok, maybe they saw Heaven, but that doesn't mean they were headed there.

I heard somewhere that everyone sees Heaven, even those who are headed in the opposite direction.

There's one story that was checked out by theologians and given a stamp of approval, and I, who have studied religious matters for decades find it credible also: The guy says he visited Hell - and his description sounds like the descriptions found in the Bible: "worms that die not" and etc.

But some of the stories there are just not believable.

Some of the stories support a kind of OnceSavedAlwaysSaved theology, and if you follow that theology, you will end up in Hell.

I know because Jesus said most people end up there, that the way to Heaven is NARROW and "few there are who find it"

Mt 7:14, Luke 13:24...

So instead go to pastors... they don't lead decadent lifestyles, do they?

 

[Woodznutz]

This is NEWS to me! The Israelites (in the Old Testament) believed in GOD. Then after Jesus came, they went away from the true God (by rejecting Jesus) and..

what, that's when they accepted reincarnation?

They never did before then.

not sure where you get your "info"

The Israelites didn't reject Jesus, the Jews did, although some Jews were converted in the first century.

*The name "Israel" was stripped from the Jews in the days of Jeroboam and Rehoboam. The name "Israel" remained with the northern kingdom only. Scholars and historians mistakenly call Jews Israelites. Even the Bible translators have made this mistake, which has confused many concerning Israel.

 

[forkintheroad7]

In Judaism its called Sheol the afterlife. There is no hell. Hell was created as a threat to compel obedience. I have had experience with the afterlife. Its real

Prove it, that Hell was invented.

No, it was "invented" by Jesus Christ--who is GOD--though He would not accept that word, I am sure...

At the end of the passage about the sheep and the goats being separated (Mt 25:31-46)

Jesus says that those who do not care about the needy [not that Christianity is reduced to ONLY that...] will

"go off to eternal punishment"

People (it's human nature to) always try to define things down, things like "eternal"... and "punishment" but Hell is mentioned all through the Bible, described as "torment"... a place of worms (signifying guilt?) and fire, etc.

People believe what they choose to believe. One poster here who always argues with Christians or at least Catholic ones, had a 2 paragraph post somewhere, and in the post .. NINE times he used the words "I" and "me."

People are good at convincing themselves that what THEY believe is really true. It's called the sin of PRIDE. I myself go by the Bible, the most reliable one, the Douay Rheims and by ancient Church teaching (from CHRIST's Church)

I have researched spiritual matters for decades.. been Catholic all my life.. There is NO evidence that anyone made up Hell... that is asinine. JESUS was the one who spoke on Hell and He did so in the a4mentioned passage and elsewhere.

You Jews reject Jesus... But so many Christians on this forum also reject what He has clearly said. Thank you, Luther,

formally-excommunicated heretic and apostate "catholic" priest,

who is likely frying in Hell as we speak