Zone1 Don't Look for the Truth About Jesus and His Church on the internet

[forkintheroad7]

Well, there are good sources of information on the internet but I've been to You Tube and other places and found some godawful stuff.

There are videos where people claim they led very un-Christian lives, then had an afterlife experience and saw Heaven. Ok, maybe they saw Heaven, but that doesn't mean they were headed there.

I heard somewhere that everyone sees Heaven, even those who are headed in the opposite direction.

There's one story that was checked out by theologians and given a stamp of approval, and I, who have studied religious matters for decades find it credible also: The guy says he visited Hell - and his description sounds like the descriptions found in the Bible: "worms that die not" and etc.

But some of the stories there are just not believable.

Some of the stories support a kind of OnceSavedAlwaysSaved theology, and if you follow that theology, you will end up in Hell.

I know because Jesus said most people end up there, that the way to Heaven is NARROW and "few there are who find it"

Mt 7:14, Luke 13:24...

 

[Hafar1014]

Well, there are good sources of information on the internet but I've been to You Tube and other places and found some godawful stuff.

There are videos where people claim they led very un-Christian lives, then had an afterlife experience and saw Heaven. Ok, maybe they saw Heaven, but that doesn't mean they were headed there.

I heard somewhere that everyone sees Heaven, even those who are headed in the opposite direction.

There's one story that was checked out by theologians and given a stamp of approval, and I, who have studied religious matters for decades find it credible also: The guy says he visited Hell - and his description sounds like the descriptions found in the Bible: "worms that die not" and etc.

But some of the stories there are just not believable.

Some of the stories support a kind of OnceSavedAlwaysSaved theology, and if you follow that theology, you will end up in Hell.

I know because Jesus said most people end up there, that the way to Heaven is NARROW and "few there are who find it"

Mt 7:14, Luke 13:24...

There is no hell most religions dont believe in hell.

 

[forkintheroad7]

There is no hell most religions dont believe in hell.

There is definitely a Hell. For one, where is Satan going to be placed when the world ends? What about all the demons? Jesus mentioned demons and interacted w/ them. He cast demons into a herd of swine because they asked him to. Of course they all drowned in the river, so .. where did they go? Did they die w/ the pigs?

No, spirits never die, whether holy ones or evil ones. And no, I cannot prove that. But I have proven to myself that the devil and his fiery home exist...

 

[Hafar1014]

There is definitely a Hell. For one, where is Satan going to be placed when the world ends? What about all the demons? Jesus mentioned demons and interacted w/ them. He cast demons into a herd of swine because they asked him to. Of course they all drowned in the river, so .. where did they go? Did they die w/ the pigs?

No, spirits never die, whether holy ones or evil ones. And no, I cannot prove that. But I have proven to myself that the devil and his fiery home exist... and not just prove it from the Bible.

In Judaism there is no devil or Hell. Christians invented that to force you to obey and behave. There is no devil hell original sin or fall of man in Genesis. I have had experiences with the after life. There is no hell.

 

[forkintheroad7]

People who say there is no Hell must not believe in Fatima where the Virgin Mother appeared to the 3 children (Portugal 1917). The children repeated their story to an evil magistrate who tried to force them to recant their story but they refused, even after he threatened to kill them! They were scared but refused to take back the story. She appeared to children because adults are big sinners (is my pov)

 

[forkintheroad7]

In Judaism there is no devil or Hell. Christians invented that to force you to obey and behave. There is no devil hell original sin or fall of man in Genesis. I have had experiences with the after life. There is no hell.

There is, and for you to say "christians" who don't believe in lying because Jesus teaches us not to would make up such a big tale just to get people to be Christians is absolutely absurd... They believe what the Bible says, that liars all end up in the lake of fire.

Right. They're going to end up in the lake of fire for lying but they will lie to get people to be Christian...

 

[Hafar1014]

There is, and for you to say "christians" who don't believe in lying because Jesus teaches us not to would make up such a big tale just to get people to be Christians is absolutely absurd... They believe what the Bible says, that liars all end up in the lake of fire.

Right. They're going to end up in the lake of fire for lying but they will lie to get people to be Christian...

Why invent hell and a devil as a threat if not to force obedience. Jews have no hell or a god of evil. These primitive beliefs comes from Zoroastrianism or dualism. The fight between good and evil.
Your own words prove you wrong

 

[Woodznutz]

There is definitely a Hell. For one, where is Satan going to be placed when the world ends? What about all the demons? Jesus mentioned demons and interacted w/ them. He cast demons into a herd of swine because they asked him to. Of course they all drowned in the river, so .. where did they go? Did they die w/ the pigs?

No, spirits never die, whether holy ones or evil ones. And no, I cannot prove that. But I have proven to myself that the devil and his fiery home exist...

The "hell" or "lake of fire" most imagine is reserved for Satan and the demons. Unrepentant humans face eternal death, not eternal life in torment and this only after the second resurrection and judgment period in the millennium.

 

[Hafar1014]

The "hell" or "lake of fire" most imagine is reserved for Satan and the demons. Unrepentant humans face eternal death, not eternal life in torment and this only after the second resurrection and judgment period in the millennium.

Those are primitive beliefs none are true

 

[forkintheroad7]

Why invent hell and a devil as a threat if not to force obedience. Jews have no hell or a god of evil. These primitive beliefs comes from Zoroastrianism or dualism. The fight between good and evil.
Your own words prove you wrong

Someone went to confession to St. Padre Pio (d. 1968) and like many who visited him in the confessional, was not serious, not there to confess sins. He said to Fr Pio "I don't believe in Hell"

Pio said

"You will believe when you get there"

 

[forkintheroad7]

The "hell" or "lake of fire" most imagine is reserved for Satan and the demons. Unrepentant humans face eternal death, not eternal life in torment and this only after the second resurrection and judgment period in the millennium.

That sounds like JWs

Just another man-made FALSE religion

which will definitely lead to Hell. Yes, Hell is eternal death... LIVING death..

Someone claimed to have visited Hell after a near death experience, said he saw Hitler in Hell, being gassed in the Auschwitz (etc) ovens like the Jews were... over and over for all eternity.

If you want to go to a place like that, the first thing you must do is refuse to believe in it (says the devil)

Jesus said most people do not make it to Heaven

 

[Woodznutz]

That sounds like JWs

Just another man-made FALSE religion

which will definitely lead to Hell. Yes, Hell is eternal death... LIVING death..

Someone claimed to have visited Hell after a near death experience, said he saw Hitler in Hell, being gassed in the Auschwitz (etc) ovens like the Jews were... over and over for all eternity.

If you want to go to a place like that, the first thing you must do is refuse to believe in it (says the devil)

Jesus said most people do not make it to Heaven

All Israel was lost as well, until they weren't. See Ezekiel 37.

In order to lose eternal life, one must have "tasted the heavenly gift" then rejected it.

 

[Monk-Eye]

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The "hell" or "lake of fire" most imagine is reserved for Satan and the demons. Unrepentant humans face eternal death, not eternal life in torment and this only after the second resurrection and judgment period in the millennium.

A sophisticate physical state is required for sentience , sapience and introspection of an ephemeral sole .

Should one be concerned for being buried with a coin under their tongue to pay charon to cross river styx to get the under world , as according to the excellent video about hades ?

 

[forkintheroad7]

All Israel was lost as well, until they weren't. See Ezekiel 37.

In order to lose eternal life, one must have "tasted the heavenly gift" then rejected it.

That's not in the Bible.

Jesus spoke more on Hell than he did on Heavven

And the saints have said that most people who go there didn't believe in it. If you believe in it, you know there is a possibility you could end up there, so you correct your sinfulness

Hopefully you do a good job because again, Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way. Mt 7:13, etc

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is definitely a Hell. For one, where is Satan going to be placed when the world ends? What about all the demons? Jesus mentioned demons and interacted w/ them. He cast demons into a herd of swine because they asked him to. Of course they all drowned in the river, so .. where did they go? Did they die w/ the pigs?

No, spirits never die, whether holy ones or evil ones. And no, I cannot prove that. But I have proven to myself that the devil and his fiery home exist...

There is a hell and there are levels to it, but the world doesn't end. Jesus chains Satan for 1,000 years after which he is loosed, a battle ensues, Christ wins, hell is emptied and court is held. On the docket will be Satan, his followers, > demons and humans are judged at the White Throne Judgment. The guilty are dispatched to the Lake of Fire for eternity. Hell and the Lake of Fire are 2 different places.

You are right about the spirits never dying. The Bible confirms our eternity:

2 Cor. 4:18 So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary but what is unseen is eternal.​

The Devil resides here on earth. But, if you have ever read the gospel of Nicodemus he recounts hearing testimony from those that had been in Abraham's Bosom, also known as Paradise, that returned with Jesus, that Satan had conversations with Hell, a being who was in charge of Hell. Satan warned him that Christ was coming. The testimony is fascinating.

 

[Woodznutz]

That's not in the Bible.

It's in my Bible, Hebrews 6.

 

[Woodznutz]

Hopefully you do a good job because again, Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way. Mt 7:13, etc

"Many are called, but few are chosen" (see the Parable of the Sower). Not being chosen in the church age doesn't mean condemnation to "hell". The Judgment period also doesn't mean that all who are judged will be condemned.

Also this,

“So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven …" Matthew 12:31 (Upon repentance of course.)

 

[Woodznutz]

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I know because Jesus said most people end up there, that the way to Heaven is NARROW and "few there are who find it"

Mt 7:14, Luke 13:24...

Few find the way to the kingdom, not few find the kingdom. "Finding the kingdom" is a matter of final judgment.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

There is no hell most religions dont believe in hell.

Ajesus warned of the Lake of Fire

 

[Manonthestreet]

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