Donald Trump Risking Prison Time?

[daveman]

The bank said they assumed Trump was being honest on his financial statements.

He wasn’t.

That’s the definition of fraud.

The bank made the loan, Trump repaid according to the loan terms.

No harm, no foul -- except a corrupt NY DA was desperate to find something to charge him with in a kangaroo court with a predetermined outcome.

Democrat "justice" isn't justice at all.

 

[john doe 101]

Why don't you eat shit?

So I'll take that as you're not that interested in starting a thread about it?

 

[john doe 101]

The bank made the loan, Trump repaid according to the loan terms.

No harm, no foul -- except a corrupt NY DA was desperate to find something to charge him with in a kangaroo court with a predetermined outcome.

Democrat "justice" isn't justice at all.

34 guilty counts.

 

[Meathead]

You are the person of color, shithead.

If I were a shithead I would indeed appear to be a jungle bunny. Same color ya know.

 

[Godboy]

What the democrats are doing is immoral, disgraceful, and dishonorable, but I'm not seeing anything as unconstitutional.

What about his right to a fair trial?

 

[SweetTea]

Those bank loans were based on falsified statements of his assets.

If you or I did that, we'd be screwed.

Falsified? You mean he listed property as an asset that he didn’t own? If you are talking about his evaluation(opinion) about the value of his properties, then who cares? It is up to the bank to agree or disagree with a loanee’s assessment of his/her properties. Banks really should really just ask what properties a person owns and do their own due diligence. No reason to ask a person what they think the value is. It is all subjective anyway.

 

[task0778]

What about his right to a fair trial?

That is why we have an appeal process. The plain truth is that the justice system, like everything else, is operated by human beings who are subject to biases. So, a fresh set of eyes can review a trial to make sure the defendant got a fair trial, at least procedurally. I do not see any possible change that could be made that better ensures a fair trial.

 

[SweetTea]

You want an unscrupulous criminal for president? He has screwed over so many vendors, contractors, investors...and the bastard has declared bankruptcy 7 times. He NEVER uses his own money. He cheats true believers like you for the past 40 years.

Thomas Crooks was a registered Republican and mentally ill. How dare you accuse your fellow Americans.

You want a far-left dingbat from San Francisco who will run our country directly into the ground? Yeah, you lefties have a serious case of TDS. None of you idiots voted for Harris when she ran in the Democratic primary, now all of a sudden she is great. Mindless drones is all you are.

 

[Marener]

Falsified? You mean he listed property as an asset that he didn’t own? If you are talking about his evaluation(opinion) about the value of his properties, then who cares? It is up to the bank to agree or disagree with a loanee’s assessment of his/her properties. Banks really should really just ask what properties a person owns and do their own due diligence. No reason to ask a person what they think the value is. It is all subjective anyway.

This isn’t about what you think the bank “should” do. This is about the fact that the law requires someone to be honest and truthful when they provide information to banks.

The only reason you are okay with people lying about the value of their assets is because you can’t ever admit Trump is at fault.

 

[Godboy]

That is why we have an appeal process. The plain truth is that the justice system, like everything else, is operated by human beings who are subject to biases. So, a fresh set of eyes can review a trial to make sure the defendant got a fair trial, at least procedurally. I do not see any possible change that could be made that better ensures a fair trial.

Even if he wins on appeal, he still didnt get a fair trial. This lawfare cost Trump an immeasurable amount of money and public trust.

 

[SweetTea]

This isn’t about what you think the bank “should” do. This is about the fact that the law requires someone to be honest and truthful when they provide information to banks.

The only reason you are okay with people lying about the value of their assets is because you can’t ever admit Trump is at fault.

A personal opinion about the value of my property is not lying. Why would the banks even want my personal opinion? They could simply look at tax records to determine the value, but of course, tax evaluations are notoriously very, very low.

 

[Marener]

A personal opinion about the value of my property is not lying. Why would the banks even want my personal opinion? They could simply look at tax records to determine the value, but of course, tax evaluations are notoriously very, very low.

It is when you have a legitimate independent appraisal of the fair market value of the property that is a third of your “opinion”. It is lying when your personal opinion ignores legal restrictions on the use of the property. It is when you claim your apartment is three times the size it actually is.

As we know, property tax values are not the same as fair market evaluations.

It would be standard business practice to use the appraised values.

 

[SweetTea]

It is when you have a legitimate independent appraisal of the fair market value of the property that is a third of your “opinion”. It is lying when your personal opinion ignores legal restrictions on the use of the property. It is when you claim your apartment is three times the size it actually is.

As we know, property tax values are not the same as fair market evaluations.

It would be standard business practice to use the appraised values.

It should also be standard business practice for bank to do their own due diligence. If the bank gives a person a loan, it is because they approved it after determining that it will be beneficial to them. If the precedent set here is to convict and heavily fine everyone that has gotten and timely paid off a loan based on what is considered inaccurate information, our courts are going to be overwhelmed and tens of thousands bankrupt. I find it odd that Trump is the one they pursue here, but not the other tens of thousands that could be accused of the same, particularly if we are going to use tax evaluations(as this judged explicitly mentioned in his opinion) as a basis for comparison.

 

[task0778]

Even if he wins on appeal, he still didnt get a fair trial. This lawfare cost Trump an immeasurable amount of money and public trust.

I think you are right, that trial should never have occurred in the 1st place and it wasn't conducted in a fair and impartial manner. We live in an imperfect world where shit happens, and he is not the 1st person to be treated unfairly in a court of law. There's no way to guarantee that every person accused of a crime will get a fair trial. Who is going to be the arbiter of that fairness? You can't legislate that into law. Ultimately all we can do is make sure as far as possible that an individual's constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial were not abrogated. I am sure that Trump's case will be reviewed via the appeals process, and if that happens then his constitutional rights have not been violated regardless of the eventual outcome.

 

[Marener]

It should also be standard business practice for bank to do their own due diligence. If the bank gives a person a loan, it is because they approved it after determining that it will be beneficial to them. If the precedent set here is to convict and heavily fine everyone that has gotten and timely paid off a loan based on what is considered inaccurate information, our courts are going to be overwhelmed and tens of thousands bankrupt. I find it odd that Trump is the one they pursue here, but not the other tens of thousands that could be accused of the same, particularly if we are going to use tax evaluations(as this judged explicitly mentioned in his opinion) as a basis for comparison.

Again, what you think the bank “should do” is irrelevant.

The fact remains that people are not allowed to write whatever they want on financial statements. The law is clear.

Trump clearly lied about the value of his properties. Not compared to tax evaluations but compared to fair market current value. He did so in many ways, including tripling the size of his apartment. He did so intentionally with the goal of deceiving the bank as to his financial status to obtain more favorable loan terms.

You can give your opinion about the bank should have done, but it makes ZERO difference to the law.

 

[SweetTea]

Again, what you think the bank “should do” is irrelevant.

The fact remains that people are not allowed to write whatever they want on financial statements. The law is clear.

Trump clearly lied about the value of his properties. Not compared to tax evaluations but compared to fair market current value. He did so in many ways, including tripling the size of his apartment. He did so intentionally with the goal of deceiving the bank as to his financial status to obtain more favorable loan terms.

You can give your opinion about the bank should have done, but it makes ZERO difference to the law.

So why is this law not being enforced on a daily basis across the nation? It seems like it would be huge financial boom for cities across the nation since they can impose fines including interest from the time the loan was signed.

 

[Marener]

So why is this law not being enforced on a daily basis across the nation? It seems like it would be huge financial boom for cities across the nation since they can impose fines including interest from the time the loan was signed.

Who should they go after next?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Correct, the demafasict hadn’t fully taken over

Oh you didn’t say US President, but congrats your party has regressed to 1968 South Africa.

Dumb ass hag, WTF else would I be talking about.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

If I were a shithead I would indeed appear to be a jungle bunny. Same color ya know.

You are a dumbass shithead, I don't change color your pasty ass does.

 

[Meathead]

You are a dumbass shithead, I don't change color your pasty ass does.

Not my fault jungle bunnies have the same color as shit.