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Donald Trump Had a Standing Order for Declassification of Docs

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Quick question. If this is absolutely true, why do I see thread after thread proclaiming this?

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Lets pretend for a minute this is actually true, though the fact nobody knew about it till this week makes one wonder.

Do none of the Trumpers see any problem at all with the POTUS, any POTUS, just declassifying boxloads of documents without even knowing what is in the boxes or without letting someone know so that all the other copies of said documents could also be marked accordingly?
Such an order is ridiculous on its face since declassify them makes those records publicly available

But again… irrelevant. Once he leaves office he can not have ANY DOCS taken from the WH as per the PRA

AND he can not have national security docs. That is “mishandling” them and is a felony under several different statutes
 

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Former President Donald Trump’s response to the federal raid on his Mar-a-Lago home this week ricocheted from conspiracy to whataboutism: First, he suggested the FBI could have planted the top-secret material it found at his South Florida residence. Then he shifted focus to his predecessor, Barack Obama, whom he said had done the same thing, only worse ― a claim the National Archives was moved to debunk on Friday.

Trump now appears to have landed on an old standby, claiming victimhood because he supposedly didn’t do anything wrong to begin with. He had already declassified everything that had been taken to Mar-a-Lago, Trump argued on Truth Social, the platform he founded after being kicked off Twitter.
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“Classification is irrelevant. Government documents that pertain to the national defense may not be withheld from the government upon request for return,” McQuade said in a tweet. “The obstruction charge in the warrant suggests Trump tried to conceal what he had.”

It's fun watching the grasping at straws going on with the MAGA-cult.
 

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Perhaps you can help me out while you’re doing your victory lap. In your links, to executive orders, it talks about how things that are declassified early are done so because it is in the public interest. In other words, declassified documents are supposed to be released to the public.

I may have missed it, but when exactly did Trump release those documents to the public?
The public only gets access to records five years after the presidency. And the president can actually petition that they be sealed for up to 12 if he wants to.
 

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The public only gets access to records five years after the presidency. And the president can actually petition that they be sealed for up to 12 if he wants to.

That doesn’t apply to Top Secret declassified. Those are released immediately. See declassified information being released on the sinking of the USS Scorpion. The Judge ordered the documents released. And they were released in short order.

Once secret or Top Secret is declassified it is released. Not held. That is because it is supposed to be a Government of the People. You know the rest.
 

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Donald Trump had a “standing order” that the documents at Mar-A-Lago were to be considered declassified, according to a statement the former president’s office provided to Just the News on Friday.
“The very fact that these documents were present at Mar-a-Lago means they couldn’t have been classified,” the former president’s office stated. “As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different. President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents including classified documents from the Oval Office to the residence.”
“He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified,” the statement added. “The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd.”
The Left in government leadership will attempt to contest that, but the President has very broad powers in this area. Obama himself solidified that power in 2009.
Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.
There is also an executive order by George W. Bush in 2003 that covers it.
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Adam pencil neck Schiff for brains just said on Face the Nation that "The President has NO declassification authority", not a joke, he really said that....
 

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Lets pretend for a minute this is actually true, though the fact nobody knew about it till this week makes one wonder.

Do none of the Trumpers see any problem at all with the POTUS, any POTUS, just declassifying boxloads of documents without even knowing what is in the boxes or without letting someone know so that all the other copies of said documents could also be marked accordingly?
As important, how does the declassification make it's way though the agencies so they can change the classification of any documents holding the same information? Yes, the President can declassify anything. But there is still a procedure to do so.
 

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Donald Trump had a “standing order” that the documents at Mar-A-Lago were to be considered declassified, according to a statement the former president’s office provided to Just the News on Friday.
“The very fact that these documents were present at Mar-a-Lago means they couldn’t have been classified,” the former president’s office stated. “As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different. President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents including classified documents from the Oval Office to the residence.”
“He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified,” the statement added. “The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd.”
The Left in government leadership will attempt to contest that, but the President has very broad powers in this area. Obama himself solidified that power in 2009.
Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.
There is also an executive order by George W. Bush in 2003 that covers it.
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It doesn't work that way!
 

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Why did he take them, they are classified and top secret.
you better read this

Basic Laws and Authorities​

Source: The provisions of Executive Order 12958, as amended by Executive Order 13292, can be found at 68 Federal Register 15315 (March 28, 2003).

Executive Order 12958 was amended on March 25, 2003, by Executive Order 13292, to read as follows
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to further amend Executive Order 12958, as amended, it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12958 is amended to read as follows:

This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation's progress depends on the free flow of information. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation's security remains a priority.


They are not classified if he declassifies them....as was his power as President.
 
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Why did he take them, they are classified and top secret.
you better read this

Basic Laws and Authorities​

Source: The provisions of Executive Order 12958, as amended by Executive Order 13292, can be found at 68 Federal Register 15315 (March 28, 2003).

Executive Order 12958 was amended on March 25, 2003, by Executive Order 13292, to read as follows
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to further amend Executive Order 12958, as amended, it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12958 is amended to read as follows:

This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism. Our democratic principles require that the American people be informed of the activities of their Government. Also, our Nation's progress depends on the free flow of information. Nevertheless, throughout our history, the national defense has required that certain information be maintained in confidence in order to protect our citizens, our democratic institutions, our homeland security, and our interactions with foreign nations. Protecting information critical to our Nation's security remains a priority.


Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.
 
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Adam pencil neck Schiff for brains just said on Face the Nation that "The President has NO declassification authority", not a joke, he really said that....


Schiff lies so much that he wouldn't know the truth if it fell on him.

And as pointed out in the OP, Øbama did this:

Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.


And people still believe Schiff. FFS.
 

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Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.

What about the section which requires the originating department to be notified of the declassification?

What about the mandatory release to the public of declassified documents? Why wasn’t any of that done if we are using the Bush and Obama Standards?
 
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What about the section which requires the originating department to be notified of the declassification?

What about the mandatory release to the public of declassified documents? Why wasn’t any the classification.


POTUS is not bound by rules or regulations, as SCOTUS said in the above case. The President is who classifies or declassified as he wishes.

Besides, what difference does it make now?

 

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Donald Trump had a “standing order” that the documents at Mar-A-Lago were to be considered declassified, according to a statement the former president’s office provided to Just the News on Friday.
“The very fact that these documents were present at Mar-a-Lago means they couldn’t have been classified,” the former president’s office stated. “As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different. President Trump, in order to prepare for work the next day, often took documents including classified documents from the Oval Office to the residence.”
“He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified,” the statement added. “The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd.”
The Left in government leadership will attempt to contest that, but the President has very broad powers in this area. Obama himself solidified that power in 2009.
Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.
There is also an executive order by George W. Bush in 2003 that covers it.
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Doesn't work that way, it takes more than the waiving of a magic scepter.
 

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Trump Fanboys earn points called Trumpoids for spreading the current message on social media. Extra points are given if someone actually reads or watches it.

6 years of believing Russian collusion actually exists and going strong fanboy! Keep up the good work. Hey, did you know pregnant chads are real too?
 
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What about the section which requires the originating department to be notified of the declassification?

What about the mandatory release to the public of declassified documents? Why wasn’t any of that done if we are using the Bush and Obama Standards?


Doesn't apply.
 

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POTUS is not bound by rules or regulations, as SCOTUS said in the above case. The President is who classifies or declassified as he wishes.

Besides, what difference does it make now?


Ok, help me out. Wasn’t Clinton’s Server one of the factors that led to her losing the election. It was for me when I voted for Trump in 2016. I can list the other factors if you like.

It meant that Hillary didn’t follow the rules. She didn’t want to play by the rules. She wanted to do whatever she wanted without consequence. And it was one of the factors involved that led to Trump signing a law making mishandling of documents and information a more serious crime.

But let’s stay on issue shall we? Instead of trying to throw smoke. What difference does it make?

First, the policy set forth by both Obama and W. Bush was that yes, the President was the ultimate authority over what was Classified and what wasn’t. However, the intent of the policy was to determine when information could be shared with the Public. In both policies it was not permissible to Classify something to cover up misconduct or a criminal activity. There had to be real risk of harm to National Security. And the stated purpose of declassification was to share it with the American Public. That is you, and me.

I mentioned the sinking of the USS Scorpion as one example earlier. The Navy didn’t want to release the information. The information was classified Top Secret. A Judge reviewed the information to determine if it should still be classified Top Secret. What national Security implications could a submarine from an obsolete class sinking fifty years ago have today?

What was being covered up was misconduct by the Navy. Mishandling the situation, and the idea that People died waiting for a Rescue that was never going to get there.

People don’t want to look bad. They don’t want the organizations they love to look bad.

So what you are arguing is that Trump has the power to declassify, but it isn’t for the purpose of getting the information to the public. It is to protect himself from any penalties from the law that he signed.

Hillary mishandled the information and deleted the evidence of her wrongdoing. It showed she had no intention of following the rules, and was arrogant and unworthy for office.

If we are using the Hillary example as the one we are going to apply to Trump, doesn’t that mean that Trump is unworthy of office as well? Because Hillary sure lost that election didn’t she?
 

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