Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[The Rabbi]

But in real life businesses lay off for all sorts of reasons. Increased productivity through mechanization has been the biggest job killer.

Rabbit, I gotta give that one to you. Business's do lay off human workers because a machine fills the workers role.
Still doesn't change the fact that the demand for the goods or services is now being filled by a machine. And rabbit, you know what happens when the demand for what ever the machine produces falls?
The machine gets turned off. Taken off line, slowed down. Kinda like a lay off but you don't have to pay UE.

Of course the entire thread has been about creating jobs for humans. But I did ask.
So you indicated that you knew of "all sorts of reasons" for lay offs. Go ahead. Elaborate.

Um, Zeke. I just did. Did you miss that part?


So we've proven that business investment drives job creation, not consumer spending. This is important because the Obama Administration labors under the false notion that by increasing demand they can increase economic activity. But the result shows that is false. We have had the highest rate of stimulus ever and the worst economic performance by the economy. That is no accidental. Gov't stimulus takes away from productive uses and channels the money to unproductive ones. Add in the gross hostility of Obama & Co to business in form of higher levels of taxation and regulation it is no surprise that business investment has slumped, and hiring and wages as well.

 

[The Rabbi]

And isn't that why big companies like mechanization? When the demand increases, you don't have to hire any one. You just run the machine harder. Longer. Faster. Buy another machine.

Look how increased demand created all those jobs to build those machines, service those machines, sell those machines. Amazing what demand will do.

Yeha because machines are free, right Zekester?

 

[zeke]

You are a liar rabbit. One reason for layoffs is not all sorts of reasons. Stupid.

 

[The Rabbi]

You are a liar rabbit. One reason for layoffs is not all sorts of reasons. Stupid.

You're right Zekester. In your case it was showing with the Blatz blast a 9AM. Others get laid off for stealing, which was probably your cousin's case. Others because the company fucked up in some way. Others because the market shifted. Others because the company merged or was bought. Others because the production was outsourced, saving many jobs at home. Others because increased productivity meant need for fewer workers.

 

[ShackledNation]

It's kind of odd that you fuckers still argue this point. It's not even complicated.

I'm a business owner. I ain't hiring anyone if I don't need them. I only need them if there is damned for what I am selling. I'm not running a charity.

If there are no produced goods in an economy, there can be no demand. Demand is derived from the fact there are goods to sell. Goods to sell only exist if goods are produced, and goods are produced by individuals working in jobs created by businesses. You are right--it isn't complicated. Jobs are created by businesses.

 

[zeke]

Others because the market shifted.

Demand fell.

Others because the company merged or was bought.

Demand not sufficient to keep all workers employed.

Others because the production was outsourced,

Demand being met by foreign workers. That's a big help for American workers right?

Others because increased productivity meant need for fewer workers.

Demand being met by the use of machines. No help for American workers. Except machine builders.


All those reasons for lay offs center around either a lack of demand or demand being met by machine.
Which create few jobs.

 

[The Rabbi]

Others because the market shifted.

Demand fell.

Others because the company merged or was bought.

Demand not sufficient to keep all workers employed.

Others because the production was outsourced,

Demand being met by foreign workers. That's a big help for American workers right?

Others because increased productivity meant need for fewer workers.

Demand being met by the use of machines. No help for American workers. Except machine builders.


All those reasons for lay offs center around either a lack of demand or demand being met by machine.
Which create few jobs.

Thats actually astoundingly wrong. But no surprise. The big surprise is you can even see the screen this late into the day.

 

[zeke]

If there are no produced goods in an economy, there can be no demand. Demand is derived from the fact there are goods to sell

What about customers? You just gonna fill up the shelves and hope the customers want what you are selling.

Demand is derived from a customer wanting to BUY a service or goods. Product is created to fill that demand.
You got it backwards.
If there are no produced goods, the demand still exists but there is no product to fill that demand. Hire more workers, crank up the production and fill the demand.

 

[zeke]

Thats actually astoundingly wrong. But no surprise

Go ahead rabbit. You are on a roll. A rabbit roll. Which ones were wrong?

 

[The Rabbi]

Thats actually astoundingly wrong. But no surprise

Go ahead rabbit. You are on a roll. A rabbit roll. Which ones were wrong?

All of them.

 

[Judicial review]

And legally retarded.

You can't refute anything I've written......so what does that make you?

You know i have. Lol. Just stop your already a joke.

More bloviating. Admit it.....you're wrong.

I'm so right its hilarious. Everybody except you and zeke won't deny it.

 

[Iceweasel]

What about customers? You just gonna fill up the shelves and hope the customers want what you are selling.

Demand is derived from a customer wanting to BUY a service or goods. Product is created to fill that demand.
You got it backwards.
If there are no produced goods, the demand still exists but there is no product to fill that demand. Hire more workers, crank up the production and fill the demand.

Demand is part of the equation but people didn't demand goods on store shelves before stores were around. They satisfied their need for food by killing animals and growing plants. Except for the liberals of course, they demanded someone drop food bits into their gapping yaws and starved to death instead. Only recently in man's history did they reemerge from the dormant genes of the human experiment.

 

[OnePercenter]

Wrong.

Employers must complete, file with the Social Security Administration (SSA) and furnish to their employees Form W-2 (PDF), Wage and Tax Statement, showing the wages paid and taxes withheld for the year for each employee. Because Form W-2 is the only document used to transmit information regarding employees' social security and Medicare wages for the year, it is very important to prepare Form W-2 correctly and timely.

Tax Topics - Topic 752 Form W-2 8211 Where When and How to File
Note that employers must do this.

My CPA, a former employee of the IRS disagrees with you. I'll take his word for it.

 

[OnePercenter]

When have you been able to put much of an argument on the subject exactly? It would appear the burden of proof has been placed upon you and the fact that your responses have been rather thin on the subject thus far.

Employers hire more employees to service new customers. The need is created by the new customers.

What's so hard to understand?

 

[OnePercenter]

I'm so right its hilarious. Everybody except you and zeke won't deny it.

You think you're right and don't like it when others prove you wrong.

 

[Mathbud1]

Sound about right? Business owners only recognize that jobs have been created by demand and hire to fill them right? They aren't involved in the job creation process at all right?

Does what sound "about right"?


If you want to create you own version of the liberal vs conservative business cycle, have at it.
Like the rabbit did. OK with me. Hopefully, yours will make more sense than the rabbits.
I was just trying to condense what I have read here as to how conservatives approach business planning. And why those businesses fail following those conservative practices.

But I am in doubt as to whether or not you can make any more sense than the rabbit.
For instance, the above. Are you asking two questions? Or making a statement followed by a question (as it reads)
But I'll take a shot at it.

If a business owner hires someone because of increased demand, then the business owner knew that he hired someone to fill a job because of increased demand.
Hope that helps. But you shoulda known that.

Did you miss the rest of my post? Try reading it again.

 

[zeke]

You are pretty verbose tonight. Man of the one liner. Three sentences.

They satisfied their need for food by killing animals and growing plants. Except for the liberals of course, they demanded someone drop food bits into their gapping yaws and starved to death instead. Only recently in man's history did they reemerge from the dormant genes of the human experiment.

I never knew a weasel had a sense of humor. I'll be damned.

 

[The Rabbi]

Wrong.

Employers must complete, file with the Social Security Administration (SSA) and furnish to their employees Form W-2 (PDF), Wage and Tax Statement, showing the wages paid and taxes withheld for the year for each employee. Because Form W-2 is the only document used to transmit information regarding employees' social security and Medicare wages for the year, it is very important to prepare Form W-2 correctly and timely.

Tax Topics - Topic 752 Form W-2 8211 Where When and How to File
Note that employers must do this.

My CPA, a former employee of the IRS disagrees with you. I'll take his word for it.

Wasnt he a former commissioner or legal council? I mean, if you're going to fib, fib big.

 

[The Rabbi]

When have you been able to put much of an argument on the subject exactly? It would appear the burden of proof has been placed upon you and the fact that your responses have been rather thin on the subject thus far.

Employers hire more employees to service new customers. The need is created by the new customers.

What's so hard to understand?

Because it's bullshit? We've already demonstrated that isnt true. You must be rather stupid not to understand that and repeat the same thing over and over.

 

[OnePercenter]

Because it's bullshit? We've already demonstrated that isnt true. You must be rather stupid not to understand that and repeat the same thing over and over.

Your ignorance is astounding.