Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

[Flex]

Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

 

[dilloduck]

Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

I certainly hope so. When you announce to the world that you want to destroy the Anglo-Saxons and Jews, you had better be prepared to have your ass blown up.

 

[StoptheMadness1]

An air strike, maybe... But with a huge risk involved.

A full scale invasion with troops on the ground?... I don't think so

I see a big possibility of a draft happening if this "war on terror", or what is now called the "long war" continues into broader territory.

If there is an attack on Iran by either Israel or the US, be prepared to see the conflict spread into other areas.

 

[Nuc]

I certainly hope so. When you announce to the world that you want to destroy the Anglo-Saxons and Jews, you had better be prepared to have your ass blown up.

So every time a pinhead dictator or democratically elected idiot says something insulting the U.S. should step in and obliterate them? The tax and spend liberals in this government want to keep taxing us to fight a war that can't be won. The magnitude of stupidity in the middle east (including Israel) is so high. The only way it will go away is through implosion. We will not persuade them that their imperialistic Islam is nonsense through philosophy or might. We can't even subdue Afghanistan or Iraq. How are we going to take on a billion Islamic knuckleheads? Unless maybe we want to go down with them.

 

[trobinett]

So every time a pinhead dictator or democratically elected idiot says something insulting the U.S. should step in and obliterate them? The tax and spend liberals in this government want to keep taxing us to fight a war that can't be won. The magnitude of stupidity in the middle east (including Israel) is so high. The only way it will go away is through implosion. We will not persuade them that their imperialistic Islam is nonsense through philosophy or might. We can't even subdue Afghanistan or Iraq. How are we going to take on a billion Islamic knuckleheads? Unless maybe we want to go down with them.

Got to stop pussyfooting around, we`re at war, let`s save millions of lives, OUR lives, and nuke the bastards.

It`s going to happen, why not NOW, while we`ve got the advantage.

Secretly, no one(read China, Russia, India, France, Germany, most of the freaking world) really gives a shit, and are, quit frankly, surprised we haven`t taken the a-holes out already. :cof:

 

[OCA]

Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

No.

 

[Nuc]

Got to stop pussyfooting around, we`re at war, let`s save millions of lives, OUR lives, and nuke the bastards.

It`s going to happen, why not NOW, while we`ve got the advantage.

Secretly, no one(read China, Russia, India, France, Germany, most of the freaking world) really gives a shit, and are, quit frankly, surprised we haven`t taken the a-holes out already. :cof:

Sounds good on paper, but that's assuming it would work. This government isn't even smart enough to keep them out of this country by controlling immigration. If we can't stop the cancer on our home turf, how can we beat them on theirs? We can't even keep a handful of foxes out of the henhouse, but we are going to take on 20% of the animal population. Highly doubtful, with these clowns running the show.

 

[midswat]

Im sick of people saying we are at war...we are not at war, congress never declared war so this is not an official war. This is simply an unjustified invasion of Iraq, nothing more nothing less. You cant claim war on an idealology.

Over 30,000 US Soldiers killed an wounded. Way to go Georgie boy, keep killing our boys for nothing. Oh wait, we are liberating iraqis.. LOL.. Like any of you give a horses arse about freeing Iraqi people. Like 30,000 american lives are worth freeing iraqis from a dictator which was actually in much better shape when Saddam was there then it is now. Iraq will never be a democratic state and there will always be terrorism there, thats why this is such a joke. We are completely outnumbered over there. Its actually becomming quite funny now.

Got to stop pussyfooting around, we`re at war, let`s save millions of lives, OUR lives, and nuke the bastards.

It`s going to happen, why not NOW, while we`ve got the advantage.

Secretly, no one(read China, Russia, India, France, Germany, most of the freaking world) really gives a shit, and are, quit frankly, surprised we haven`t taken the a-holes out already. :cof:

 

[manu1959]

Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

another unjustifed invasion of iran? when was the first one?

what would justify and an ivasion of iran?

who gets to justify it?

name one justifed invasion of another country and name those who determined it to be justified

 

[manu1959]

Im sick of people saying we are at war...we are not at war, congress never declared war so this is not an official war.

you are right it is a police action we are trying to arrest them and then try them at the world court in the hague ..... just like barbara lee wants ...

 

[KarlMarx]

Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

One of the complaints about those who oppose the war in Iraq is "no WMDs were found"... the Iranians are developing nuclear weapons....

The Iranians are basically thumbing their noses at the UN's IAEA, so the argument that we didn't give the UN a chance to straighten this out is looking less and less credible...

Of course, the Russians, who sit on the UN Security Council are also enabling the Iranians... so it's the same story from before the 2nd Iraq War all over again....

The Iranians are exporting, supporting and otherwise enabling terrorists... e.g. Hamas...

The leadership of that country is making no secret that they want to obliterate Israel off of the face of the map and the Israelis are saying "if the rest of the world doesn't do something about Iran, we will"....

The Iranians have or are pursuing missile technologies to deliver weapons anywhere in the Middle East....

So, with or without us, the Iranians are making the possibility of a war in the Middle East and it may become nuclear....

To use an old saying from the 1980s, there is no such thing as a limited nuclear war....

If a nuclear exchange happens in the Middle East (assuming Israel also has the Bomb, which is very very likely), what makes you think that it will stop there?

So, considering these points, just how is a war against Iran unjustified?

P.S. don't be so short sighted about the war in Iraq, one of the (unstated) reasons for going there, I believe, was to provide a base of operations should an invasion of war with Iran became necessary or to at keep the Iranians from becoming too bold.

 

[manu1959]

Like 30,000 american lives are worth freeing iraqis from a dictator which was actually in much better shape when Saddam was there then it is now.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005580564,00.html

A BRITISH plastic surgeon has been teaching Iraqi medics how to reconstruct ears — to help restore more than 1,300 lost in acts of punishment by Saddam’s regime.

Three surgeons have visited London to learn specialist David Gault’s technique of using rib cartilage to build new ears.

It is estimated around 350 ears were removed in Basra and more than 1,000 in Baghdad, as punishment for people who defected from, or refused military service.

 

[dilloduck]

Does the USA have the resources for yet another unjustified invasion into...Iran?

Maybe we should just wait til they get some terrorists to blow the hell out of us first. Oh wait---that already happened once. Let's see--they openly state they want to kill us---they are building nuclear weapons--naaaaaaa let's wait
and hope they come to thier senses.

 

[insein]

Im sick of people saying we are at war...we are not at war, congress never declared war so this is not an official war. This is simply an unjustified invasion of Iraq, nothing more nothing less. You cant claim war on an idealology.

Over 30,000 US Soldiers killed an wounded. Way to go Georgie boy, keep killing our boys for nothing. Oh wait, we are liberating iraqis.. LOL.. Like any of you give a horses arse about freeing Iraqi people. Like 30,000 american lives are worth freeing iraqis from a dictator which was actually in much better shape when Saddam was there then it is now. Iraq will never be a democratic state and there will always be terrorism there, thats why this is such a joke. We are completely outnumbered over there. Its actually becomming quite funny now.

Here you must've just missed it is all.

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237#top
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00114:@@@L&summ2=m&
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=3851&sequence=0

IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION

107th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. J. RES. 114
October 10, 2002

JOINT RESOLUTION
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in `material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations' and urged the President `to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations';

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations; Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people; Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 (1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949 (1994);

Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1), Congress has authorized the President `to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677';

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),' that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and `constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,' and that Congress, `supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to `work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge' posed by Iraq and to `work for the necessary resolutions,' while also making clear that `the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'; Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the `Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002'.
SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS. The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS. (a) REPORTS- The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338).
(b) SINGLE CONSOLIDATED REPORT- To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93-148), all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.
(c) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION- To the extent that the information required by section 3 of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of such resolution

I know you've been busy burying your head in the sand and crying about Bush screwing up your morning coffee, but i did the leg work for you.

 

[midswat]

Well golly, I guess its all worth it then now. Whatever helps you sleep you well at night guy.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005580564,00.html

A BRITISH plastic surgeon has been teaching Iraqi medics how to reconstruct ears — to help restore more than 1,300 lost in acts of punishment by Saddam’s regime.

Three surgeons have visited London to learn specialist David Gault’s technique of using rib cartilage to build new ears.

It is estimated around 350 ears were removed in Basra and more than 1,000 in Baghdad, as punishment for people who defected from, or refused military service.

 

[KarlMarx]

Well golly, I guess its all worth it then now. Whatever helps you sleep you well at night guy.

People like you were the ones that opposed our entry into World War II. With one huge difference, after Pearl Harbor was attacked, those people finally faced reality and got behind the country. People like yourself are more worried about Cheney's hunting accident than Iran's nuclear weapons program.

 

[insein]

Well golly, I guess its all worth it then now. Whatever helps you sleep you well at night guy.

Ooo good liberal. You convientantly stared at the post i made with clear cut Congressional permission to invade Iraq for about 20 to 30 mins and commented on something else. You serve the left well.

 

[Gunny]

Well golly, I guess its all worth it then now. Whatever helps you sleep you well at night guy.

If you ever develop a conscience I'm sure you'll set the world record for consecutive sleepless nights. Until then, "willful ignorance is bliss" should continue to work.

 

[sitarro]

Hey midTWAT,
I have a photograph I shot on September 7th 2001, remember these buildings? THEY'RE GONE ASSHOLE! :fu2:

 

[midswat]

LOL... glad I made you take that time out of your day, too funny. Cause I aint taking the time to read it. Late.

Here you must've just missed it is all.

http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle.asp?article_id=2686
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237#top
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HJ00114:@@@L&summ2=m&
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=3851&sequence=0



I know you've been busy burying your head in the sand and crying about Bush screwing up your morning coffee, but i did the leg work for you.