Does the Left think Muslims have a Constitutional right....

[ChrisL]

The Oil for Food program should make it clear at whom these radical Muslims should be angry. The rest of the free world tries to make charitable contributions, and the Iraqi leadership (amongst others) essentially steals it for themselves and leaves their people to suffer!!!

 

[bripat9643]

You know, there was definitely a time, when America was being built, that low skilled immigrants were of great value to the country, but that's really not so much the case anymore. You need to be able to offer something and show that you wouldn't be a burden on the economy or the taxpayer.

I think there is an argument to be made on selective immigration based on say, skill set. As you're right.....there was a greater appetite for low skilled workers in the past than there are now. I'd be cool with limits on immigration based on what you can bring to the economy.

But religion? Ethnicity? Race? Definitely not.

How about people belonging to the Nazi party or communists? Should they be allowed to immigrate?

 

[bripat9643]

The thread title was a rhetorical question. They're stupid enough to really believe that.

The only stupidity I am seeing is from you. You constructed a false premise to push for discrimination against a religion. That's about as un-American as it gets. No wonder people like you and bripat don't want to talk about our history and the reasons we do the things we do, such as NOT discriminate against religions or peoples.

It is not a coincidence that whenever there is a topic about discrimination against one group or another, it is always the same hateful characters who are found on the side of that discrimination. Gays, Muslims, Mexicans...there you are.

Our history is that we have always discriminated against group or another when it comes it immigration. Numskulls like you think the kind of people we allow to immigrate here doesn't matter. Importing a bunch of bloodthirsty Muslim savages into this country would change it's character for the worst forever.

Liberal Dictionary:
==============================================
Hateful - Speaks the truth. Accepts reality.

The US Began a discriminatory immigration policy against the Chinese in the 1860's.


Immigration remains purely a state matter. NATURALIZATION is a federal matter.


The reason Muslims seek revenge is because they are dealing with a bunch of bloodthirsty savages who control the Judeo-American axis of evil.


.

Wrong. They are bloodthirsty savages because they follow a bloodthirsty cult that commands them to kill all infidels.

Bullshit

It surprises me that they have waited this long to RETALIATE. The zionuts invaded Palestine in 1925. In 1947 the US began subsiding their genocide.

The US invaded Iraq in 1990 and remained them for approximately 18 years..

The perpetrators of the above mentioned crimes are most definite criminals.

Ah, you're one of the nutburgers who blames "Zionism" for all the problems in the Middle East. Then how do you explain Muslim massacres in India, West Africa and the Philippines? The fact is, wherever they go, Muslims kill infidels. It's what they believe in. Blaming the Jews or U.S. military intervention is just a cover story.

 

[Billo_Really]

Alright big mouths, I'm "billo on the left",
you got any questions, you can ask me!

 

[Dante]

Alright big mouths, I'm "billo on the left",
you got any questions, you can ask me!

when do they change your diapers?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The only stupidity I am seeing is from you. You constructed a false premise to push for discrimination against a religion. That's about as un-American as it gets. No wonder people like you and bripat don't want to talk about our history and the reasons we do the things we do, such as NOT discriminate against religions or peoples.

It is not a coincidence that whenever there is a topic about discrimination against one group or another, it is always the same hateful characters who are found on the side of that discrimination. Gays, Muslims, Mexicans...there you are.

Our history is that we have always discriminated against group or another when it comes it immigration. Numskulls like you think the kind of people we allow to immigrate here doesn't matter. Importing a bunch of bloodthirsty Muslim savages into this country would change it's character for the worst forever.

Liberal Dictionary:
==============================================
Hateful - Speaks the truth. Accepts reality.

The US Began a discriminatory immigration policy against the Chinese in the 1860's.


Immigration remains purely a state matter. NATURALIZATION is a federal matter.


The reason Muslims seek revenge is because they are dealing with a bunch of bloodthirsty savages who control the Judeo-American axis of evil.


.

Wrong. They are bloodthirsty savages because they follow a bloodthirsty cult that commands them to kill all infidels.

Bullshit

It surprises me that they have waited this long to RETALIATE. The zionuts invaded Palestine in 1925. In 1947 the US began subsiding their genocide.

The US invaded Iraq in 1990 and remained them for approximately 18 years..

The perpetrators of the above mentioned crimes are most definite criminals.

Ah, you're one of the nutburgers who blames "Zionism" for all the problems in the Middle East. Then how do you explain Muslim massacres in India, West Africa and the Philippines? The fact is, wherever they go, Muslims kill infidels. It's what they believe in. Blaming the Jews or U.S. military intervention is just a cover story.

You can't reason with a Nazi. They're not quite human.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Whatever, people from other countries certainly don't have any "constitutional right" to immigrate here.

whatever -- no one says they do

Well that's the OP question, so what are you arguing about?

really? the OP:

So what if I were to suggest that the United States stop all immigration from Islamic nations and all immigration from Muslims.

Would that be....racist? Would I be violating their "civil rights"? Isn't the point of immigration policy for any nation to select only those immigrants that are believed to be a net benefit to the country?

We can choose our immigration policy based on anything we like, even religion and national origin. And many nations are now seeing the wisdom of discussion the sequestering of any more Muslims in their country. We should too.
​

please, ChrisL highlight where this is so

Yes, that's what I said. The OP asks if it is Muslims have a constitutional right to immigrate to America? I say no. Nobody has a constitutional right to immigrate to America.

That of course was the OP question- and you are absolutely correct.

Of course at the heart of the question is can we specifically exclude Muslims? I think that would be a grey area when it comes the Constitution

Of course enforcing such a law would mean either asking all immigrants to tell us their religion or asking all applicants to confirm that they are or are not Muslim- and then presuming that the person is telling the truth- or what?

How is it a grey area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

 

[Dante]

whatever -- no one says they do

Well that's the OP question, so what are you arguing about?

really? the OP:

So what if I were to suggest that the United States stop all immigration from Islamic nations and all immigration from Muslims.

Would that be....racist? Would I be violating their "civil rights"? Isn't the point of immigration policy for any nation to select only those immigrants that are believed to be a net benefit to the country?

We can choose our immigration policy based on anything we like, even religion and national origin. And many nations are now seeing the wisdom of discussion the sequestering of any more Muslims in their country. We should too.
​

please, ChrisL highlight where this is so

Yes, that's what I said. The OP asks if it is Muslims have a constitutional right to immigrate to America? I say no. Nobody has a constitutional right to immigrate to America.

That of course was the OP question- and you are absolutely correct.

Of course at the heart of the question is can we specifically exclude Muslims? I think that would be a grey area when it comes the Constitution

Of course enforcing such a law would mean either asking all immigrants to tell us their religion or asking all applicants to confirm that they are or are not Muslim- and then presuming that the person is telling the truth- or what?

How is it a grehttp://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpuby area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?


..

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

 

[Dante]

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Well that's the OP question, so what are you arguing about?

really? the OP:

So what if I were to suggest that the United States stop all immigration from Islamic nations and all immigration from Muslims.

Would that be....racist? Would I be violating their "civil rights"? Isn't the point of immigration policy for any nation to select only those immigrants that are believed to be a net benefit to the country?

We can choose our immigration policy based on anything we like, even religion and national origin. And many nations are now seeing the wisdom of discussion the sequestering of any more Muslims in their country. We should too.
​

please, ChrisL highlight where this is so

Yes, that's what I said. The OP asks if it is Muslims have a constitutional right to immigrate to America? I say no. Nobody has a constitutional right to immigrate to America.

That of course was the OP question- and you are absolutely correct.

Of course at the heart of the question is can we specifically exclude Muslims? I think that would be a grey area when it comes the Constitution

Of course enforcing such a law would mean either asking all immigrants to tell us their religion or asking all applicants to confirm that they are or are not Muslim- and then presuming that the person is telling the truth- or what?

How is it a grey area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?

I can't prove a negative, queer bait.

 

[ChrisL]

The only stupidity I am seeing is from you. You constructed a false premise to push for discrimination against a religion. That's about as un-American as it gets. No wonder people like you and bripat don't want to talk about our history and the reasons we do the things we do, such as NOT discriminate against religions or peoples.

It is not a coincidence that whenever there is a topic about discrimination against one group or another, it is always the same hateful characters who are found on the side of that discrimination. Gays, Muslims, Mexicans...there you are.

Our history is that we have always discriminated against group or another when it comes it immigration. Numskulls like you think the kind of people we allow to immigrate here doesn't matter. Importing a bunch of bloodthirsty Muslim savages into this country would change it's character for the worst forever.

Liberal Dictionary:
==============================================
Hateful - Speaks the truth. Accepts reality.

The US Began a discriminatory immigration policy against the Chinese in the 1860's.


Immigration remains purely a state matter. NATURALIZATION is a federal matter.


The reason Muslims seek revenge is because they are dealing with a bunch of bloodthirsty savages who control the Judeo-American axis of evil.


.

Wrong. They are bloodthirsty savages because they follow a bloodthirsty cult that commands them to kill all infidels.

Bullshit

It surprises me that they have waited this long to RETALIATE. The zionuts invaded Palestine in 1925. In 1947 the US began subsiding their genocide.

The US invaded Iraq in 1990 and remained them for approximately 18 years..

The perpetrators of the above mentioned crimes are most definite criminals.

Ah, you're one of the nutburgers who blames "Zionism" for all the problems in the Middle East. Then how do you explain Muslim massacres in India, West Africa and the Philippines? The fact is, wherever they go, Muslims kill infidels. It's what they believe in. Blaming the Jews or U.S. military intervention is just a cover story.

Not to mention they've been fighting amongst themselves for centuries. Just one reason why their countries are such failures. They don't know how to work together and cooperative over there, it seems.

 

[Dante]

really? the OP:

So what if I were to suggest that the United States stop all immigration from Islamic nations and all immigration from Muslims.

Would that be....racist? Would I be violating their "civil rights"? Isn't the point of immigration policy for any nation to select only those immigrants that are believed to be a net benefit to the country?

We can choose our immigration policy based on anything we like, even religion and national origin. And many nations are now seeing the wisdom of discussion the sequestering of any more Muslims in their country. We should too.
​

please, ChrisL highlight where this is so

Yes, that's what I said. The OP asks if it is Muslims have a constitutional right to immigrate to America? I say no. Nobody has a constitutional right to immigrate to America.

That of course was the OP question- and you are absolutely correct.

Of course at the heart of the question is can we specifically exclude Muslims? I think that would be a grey area when it comes the Constitution

Of course enforcing such a law would mean either asking all immigrants to tell us their religion or asking all applicants to confirm that they are or are not Muslim- and then presuming that the person is telling the truth- or what?

How is it a grey area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?

I can't prove a negative, queer bait.

So it's an opinion pulled out of your arse, and not based on any legal argument you can share?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Yes, that's what I said. The OP asks if it is Muslims have a constitutional right to immigrate to America? I say no. Nobody has a constitutional right to immigrate to America.

That of course was the OP question- and you are absolutely correct.

Of course at the heart of the question is can we specifically exclude Muslims? I think that would be a grey area when it comes the Constitution

Of course enforcing such a law would mean either asking all immigrants to tell us their religion or asking all applicants to confirm that they are or are not Muslim- and then presuming that the person is telling the truth- or what?

How is it a grey area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?

I can't prove a negative, queer bait.

So it's an opinion pulled out of your arse, and not based on any legal argument you can share?

Let me spell it out for you, Deep Throat.

I can't prove a negative. That means if you're claiming that the Constitution vouchsafes rights to foreigners to immigrate here regardless of religion, it's up to you to prove it.

I can't dumb it down for you any further, Nancy.

 

[Dante]

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub


saintmichaeldefendthem

saintmichaeldefendthem: "What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?"

 

[Dante]

That of course was the OP question- and you are absolutely correct.

Of course at the heart of the question is can we specifically exclude Muslims? I think that would be a grey area when it comes the Constitution

Of course enforcing such a law would mean either asking all immigrants to tell us their religion or asking all applicants to confirm that they are or are not Muslim- and then presuming that the person is telling the truth- or what?

How is it a grey area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?

I can't prove a negative, queer bait.

So it's an opinion pulled out of your arse, and not based on any legal argument you can share?

Let me spell it out for you, Deep Throat.

I can't prove a negative. That means if you're claiming that the Constitution vouchsafes rights to foreigners to immigrate here regardless of religion, it's up to you to prove it.

I can't dumb it down for you any further, Nancy.

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?

So it's an opinion pulled out of your arse, and not based on any legal argument you can share?

 

[ChrisL]

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

saintmichaeldefendthem

"Resident" being the key word there.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

saintmichaeldefendthem

You're a dumbass if you don't know the difference between somebody who's here legally and a foreign national that wants to immigrate here. I don't argue with dumbasses so goodbye.

 

[Dante]

Are Foreign Nationals Entitled to the Same Constitutional Rights As Citizens?

the problem with people like saintmichelina is that he thinks he's smahtah than he is. he obviously has not read up on what he is commenting upon and he assumes people who challenging him are taking positions they are not/

he lives in a world of strawmen

 

[Dante]

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

saintmichaeldefendthem

You're a dumbass if you don't know the difference between somebody who's here legally and a foreign national that wants to immigrate here. I don't argue with dumbasses so goodbye.

you cannot link to anything where Dante took a position. he merely asked you to clarify what you think you were saying

 

[Dante]

How is it a grey area when it comes to the Constitution? What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?

Is this a legal opinion you can share a link to or is it an opinion pulled out of your arse?
..

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

I can't prove a negative, queer bait.

So it's an opinion pulled out of your arse, and not based on any legal argument you can share?

You're a dumbass if you don't know the difference between somebody who's here legally and a foreign national that wants to immigrate here. I don't argue with dumbasses so goodbye.

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub


saintmichaeldefendthem

saintmichaeldefendthem: "What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?"

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub


saintmichaeldefendthem

saintmichaeldefendthem: "What in the 1st Amendment confers rights to foreign nationals?"

the Supreme Court has squarely stated that neither
the First Amendment nor the Fifth Amendment "acknowledges
any distinction between citizens and resident aliens."​

http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

saintmichaeldefendthem

You're a dumbass if you don't know the difference between somebody who's here legally and a foreign national that wants to immigrate here. I don't argue with dumbasses so goodbye.

you cannot link to anything where Dante took a position. he merely asked you to clarify what you think you were saying

what a dolt