Zone1 Does "Satan" have great respect for the Sense of Humor of YHWH - HaShem - or even for Jesus?

[DennisPTate]

If I remember the following statement correctly and haven't gotten one NDE account confused with another one, near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai Th.d reported being shown by Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body that during the fulfillment of Matthew chapter four, Jesus REMEMBERED creating former Covering Cherub Helel but knowing that Helel would eventually rebel against him?

On one level this gets us into the question of:

Could the White Horse of the Book of Revelation fame be the Cherub of the Psalms that Moshiach is predicted to come to the earth on, when Zechariah chapter fourteen is fulfilled?

There are chapters in the Bible dedicated to how a HORSE can be pretty stubborn and rebellious!

"Cherub Psalms" commonly refers to Psalm 18:10 (and its parallel in 2 Samuel 22:11), where King David uses vivid poetic imagery to describe God coming to his rescue, stating, "He mounted a cherub and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind". This imagery depicts God as a powerful warrior riding on angelic beings to deliver His people.
Key details regarding this passage include:

• Imagery: The cherub symbolizes God's throne, glory, and presence. The act of riding a cherub represents divine intervention, speed, and majesty.
• Context: In Psalm 18, David describes his deliverance from enemies and Saul, highlighting God's power and swift action in response to his cries.
• Symbolism: Cherubim in this context are not small, winged infants, but powerful, heavenly creatures associated with God's throne and spiritual presence on Earth.
• Parallel Passages: Psalm 18:10-15 is often cited for its dramatic, storm-like imagery, describing God bringing hail, fire, and darkness.
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The phrase is sometimes used to describe Psalms that depict the majesty, heavenly throne, and divine power of God.

This entire question hinges on whether or not former Covering Cherub Helel has a deep respect and admiration for the astonishing sense of humour of his Creator, YHWh, HaShem, or "The Spirit of Moshiach Stored in Gan Eden" aka Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to us Messianic Jews and Christians.

 

[GLASNOST]

Does "Satan" have great respect for the Sense of Humor​

.. or if he's left-handed. You'd have to prove Satan exists first. So far there is no proof so further estimation is complete useless.

 

[DennisPTate]

.. or if he's left-handed. You'd have to prove Satan exists first. So far there is no proof so further estimation is complete useless.

Good question....
I personally am more than a little impressed by the assertions by near death experiencer Robert Marshall who says that during a mentoring session by Jesus, Jesus told him that Satan began to fall about seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by sixty five million years ago.

“I DIED FOR 44 HOURS & GOD ANSWERED THE MYSTERIES OF LIFE!” on the Randy Kay channel.​

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After dying three times for a total of 44 hours in Heaven, Robert describes Heaven in vivid detail. But what makes this episode like none other is that Robert hears answers from Jesus about some the most mysterious questions of all-time:1. How old is the earth?2. What happened to the dinasaurs?3. What happened to the Garden of Eden?4. How were different ethnicities formed?5. Why did Jesus use parables?...and so much more!

I personally regard near death experiencer Robert Marshall as an "Expert Witness" but you are an obviously intelligent person who lives in a free country so if you wish to think of Mr. Robert Marshall very differently, that is your free choice!

 

[Mack The Finger]

You'd have to prove Satan exists first. So far there is no proof so further estimation is complete useless.

See all those mass shotings of inocent people-that is satan borrowing a body.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... You'd have to prove Satan exists first. So far there is no proof so further estimation is complete useless.

I personally am more than a little impressed by the assertions by near death experiencer Robert Marshall..

I REALLY don't want to enter that debate again but my short answer is that there is no proof of his, or any other. "near death" stories. So, this is the end of it.

 

[DennisPTate]

See all those mass shotings of inocent people-that is satan borrowing a body.

Exactly!!!!!

The existence of evil on this earth is powerful evidence for the existence of an "Adversary" or "Tempter" or leader over the "dark side of the force."

[near death experiencer Christian Andreason] :

b. What about the devil?​

If you understand the ego, you will understand the concept of the devil. Satanic frequency is the LOW-RANGE frequency that surrounds us in our collective thinking. It is the opposite of the HIGH, INCOMPREHENSIBLE LOVING frequency of God. Please hear me out on something…be careful of the music you listen to, the movies or TV you watch, the gossip or negative speaking you participate in. All these things LOWER the soul’s vibration. Lower vibration brings depression, disillusionment, disease and despair. The lower our soul’s vibration falls, the more these dark things come upon us. Once you fall into LOWER vibration, immediately seek to amend it with LOVING, HIGHER VIBRATIONAL THOUGHT. It is like anything else, the more you put into something, that is what the end result will be.

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[DennisPTate]

I REALLY don't want to enter that debate again but my short answer is that there is no proof of his, or any other. "near death" stories. So, this is the end of it.

Your answer hints rather strongly that you do not want to know the truth.....
I don't entirely blame you.....
I have to admit that as I research all of this I have ran into powerful evidence that quite frankly is scary!

For example I am of the belief that Pastor Rick Joyner, is a modern genuine prophet who could be compared with John the Baptist or John the Disciple who was given The Book of Revelation, to at least some degree. I actually think that his three books:
The Final Quest
The Call
The Torch and the Sword......

are similar to Acts chapter ten as if it was continued and continued and continued.......

I personally regard Pastor Rick Joyner as a "Christian Literary Genius" comparable to C. S. Lewis.

I also believe that what he was shown in those three books does NOT contradict near death experience accounts!

[Acts 10]

The next day, as they were on their journey and coming near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. 10;And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance 11;and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth. 12;In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. 13;And there came a voice to him, “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.” 14;But Peter said, “No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.” 15;And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has cleansed, you must not call common.” 16;This happened three times, and the thing was taken up at once to heaven.

17;Now while Peter was inwardly perplexed as to what the vision which he had seen might mean, behold, the men that were sent by Cornelius, having made inquiry for Simon’s house, stood before the gate 18;and called out to ask whether Simon who was called Peter was lodging there. 19;And while Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men are looking for you. 20;Rise and go down, and accompany them without hesitation; for I have sent them.” 21;And Peter went down to the men and said, “I am the one you are looking for; what is the reason for your coming?” 22;And they said, “Cornelius, a centurion, an upright and God-fearing man, who is well spoken of by the whole Jewish nation, was directed by a holy angel to send for you to come to his house, and to hear what you have to say.” 23;So he called them in to be his guests.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 10 - Revised Standard Version

Peter and Cornelius - At Caesare′a there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms liberally to the people, and prayed constantly to God. About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision...

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Here is an example of one of those near death experiencer testimonies that really threw me for a loop. I have to admit though that I ended up listening to as many versions of the NDE testimony of Mr. Leatherbury that I could find. Now I feel at Shalom at peace, over this.

Artist Died & Saw Inside the Minds of Prisoners In Hell​

 

[DennisPTate]

I just ran across a video by my Theology professor, near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai, that got a million views already.

I am of the opinion that near death experiencer Kevin L. Zadai has been as truthful and honest and transparent about what he was shown during his forty five minute brush with death as a human can do humanly.

"Exposing the Nephilim" - Kevin Zadai​

1,040,787 views Streamed live on Oct 1, 2020

Welcome to Kevin Zadai's Official YouTube Channel Kevin Zadai is known as the man who went to heaven and back, so he knows that heaven is for real.In 1992 during a routine surgery, I met with Jesus on the other side. The time I spent in the presence of Jesus profoundly changed me to my core. I believe Jesus promised me that my story, including all the things I learned during our conversation, has the capacity to radically change those who read it. It is my prayer that as you read about my visitation, you will experience the same thing I experienced and have an even greater outcome.Interested in the Offer from this Video click the link bellow.,

www.KevinZadai.com/

and....

Kevin Zadai

Welcome to Kevin Zadai’s Official YouTube Channel Dr. Kevin L. Zadai is dedicated to training Christians to live & operate in two realms at once— the supernatural & the natural. At age 31, Kevin got a second chance at life and received a revelation that he could not fail because it’s all rigged...

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[GLASNOST]

I REALLY don't want to enter that debate again but my short answer is that there is no proof of his, or any other. "near death" stories. So, this is the end of it.

Your answer hints rather strongly that you do not want to know the truth.....

No, my answer states very DEFINITELY [not hints] that I do not want to shatter your foundation by forcing you to know/find the truth. I have ALWAYS said that I have nothing against people who seek theism in order to endure the hardships of life. You (theists) have nothing to teach me. But in saying that I have already said more than I want to say. I think you should continue believing in whatever it is you believe because you cannot accept the realm of the unknown. So, can we end this now?

 

[DennisPTate]

No, my answer states very DEFINITELY [not hints] that I do not want to shatter your foundation by forcing you to know/find the truth. I have ALWAYS said that I have nothing against people who seek theism in order to endure the hardships of life. You (theists) have nothing to teach me. But in saying that I have already said more than I want to say. I think you should continue believing in whatever it is you believe because you cannot accept the realm of the unknown. So, can we end this now?

That is an interesting answer. When I was four years old I had bleeding ulcers. When I was fourteen years old I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis. I had a lot of selfish reasons to become fascinated by the teachings of TV Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong once I began to listen to him back in 1972 when I was thirteen years old.

By either 1980 or 1981, my then girlfriend talked me into being anointed with oil and prayed for by two Pastors at the Messianic Gentile, Festival of Tabernacles - Sukkot that was held in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island that year. Soon I noticed that I had zero arthritis pain. I am now sixty six and I still do not have rheumatoid arthritis anymore.

The specific name of the church that I was a member of back then was The Worldwide Church of God led by Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong.

Zone1 Thread 'Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong?'

Dec 1, 2025

I personally am extremely glad that I was brought up out of Atheism by the teachings of Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong and his son Garner Ted.

If it were not for his approach to the Bible I would not have two clues about the hidden meaning in the Jewish Holy Days and Sabbaths. If it were not for his teachings I would not be aware that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected body is bringing every word in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets and in the Psalms to pass.

I believe that it was Messiah Yeshua - Jesus who brought the nation of Israel together and has already fulfilled...

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[GLASNOST]

No, my answer states very DEFINITELY [not hints] that I do not want to shatter your foundation by forcing you to know/find the truth. I have ALWAYS said that I have nothing against people who seek theism in order to endure the hardships of life. You (theists) have nothing to teach me. But in saying that I have already said more than I want to say. I think you should continue believing in whatever it is you believe because you cannot accept the realm of the unknown. So, can we end this now?

... When I was four years old ... I ... become fascinated by the teachings of TV Evangelist ...

I do not see why you are unwilling to take my advice. You are provoking me to tell you things that you cannot handle and it will cause you much frustration. OK. From what you've written these weeks and months it is obvious to me that you are unable to understand what I can teach. Maybe you know this instinctively but I'll tell you anyway. Theists & Atheists are inferiors. Theists are much worse than Atheists but that's not important. If you've been reading some of my contributions to this forum you will have noticed that I can be brutal to asshole people. But you are not an asshole so I'm letting you slide unscathed. Will you now finally leave it at that or .... what is it you want? Do you want me to punish you?

 

[DennisPTate]

I do not see why you are unwilling to take my advice. You are provoking me to tell you things that you cannot handle and it will cause you much frustration. OK. From what you've written these weeks and months it is obvious to me that you are unable to understand what I can teach. Maybe you know this instinctively but I'll tell you anyway. Theists & Atheists are inferiors. Theists are much worse than Atheists but that's not important. If you've been reading some of my contributions to this forum you will have noticed that I can be brutal to asshole people. But you are not an asshole so I'm letting you slide unscathed. Will you now finally leave it at that or .... what is it you want? Do you want me to punish you?

I have to run for a few hours......

but I should leave you with a link to what I just wrote a few minutes ago........

"That is absolutely correct!

Pride got Satan - The Adversary kicked out of heaven and if Christians are NOT humble.... they will not be able to make it into paradise or heaven."
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I believe that this fact fits with what was shown to the gifted Pastor Rick Joyner back in 1995.



Isaiah 57:15
For thus says the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: “I dwell in the high and holy place, and also with him who is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite.

[Rick Joyner, the Final Quest] :
The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were well-dressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace.

The Prisoners
[Rick Joyner, The Final Quest]

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

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You know what Scripture says about pride. It was what got Satan kicked out of heaven, after all.

That is absolutely correct!

Pride got Satan - The Adversary kicked out of heaven and if Christians are NOT humble.... they will not be able to make it into paradise or heaven.

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I believe that this fact fits...

• DennisPTate

 

[GLASNOST]

I have to run for a few hours......
...

You are an idiot.