Does my sarcasm DOOM me to a Purgatory or Hell realm in afterlife?

Does the sarcasm by DennisPTate DOOM him to Purgatory or Hell?

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  • Maybe?????!!!!! It sounds like Tate is calling P. M. Justin "raca" whatever "raca" is?!

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Ok..... I admit it....
I am clearly in violation of some pretty easy to understand statements by Jesus.....
regarding how dangerous sarcasm and a critical attitude can be spiritually?


Yes,
I am deeply concerned that my Sarcasm could well doom me to a Purgatory
or Hell Realm in the afterlife......
[No wonder I am hopeful that the Latter day Saints are correct in their teachings that the deceased can
learn and grow and improve in the afterlife]?


Here is an example of me being sarcastic in a manner that obviously puts me
pretty close to the edge of the cliff......
[spiritually speaking]?

OK....
does this angle on the whole thing tend to make the last twelve years of Canadian history more easy to understand?

.....

"In my opinion the one and only reason to make
Mr. Gavin Newsom President of the USA would be
to set in motion sincere fasting and prayer by
Christians and Jews and Muslims....
[and even by some Atheists and Agnostics who discern how awful Newsom really is],
who would immediately know that as President Mr. Gavin
Newsom would be even worse than President Biden was.....

and perhaps even worse than Canada's Worst Ever Prime Minister..... Mr. Justin Trudeau!"

.... "



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Murder Begins in the Heart
21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.


IF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS....
ARE IN FACT CORRECT ABOUT THERE BEING HOPE IN THE AFTERLIFE.....
then perhaps I can be led to salvation AFTER I pass on from this world that is so full of temptations?!

Chapter 41

The Postmortal Spirit World​

A mother in a wheelchair is surrounded by three young children.  They are in a cemetery in front of a tombstone.

Life after Death​

  • What happens to us after we die?
Heavenly Father prepared a plan for our salvation. As part of this plan, He sent us from His presence to live on earth and receive mortal bodies of flesh and blood. Eventually our mortal bodies will die, and our spirits will go to the spirit world. The spirit world is a place of waiting, working, learning, and, for the righteous, resting from care and sorrow. Our spirits will live there until we are ready for our resurrection. Then our mortal bodies will once more unite with our spirits, and we will receive the degree of glory we have prepared for (see chapter 46 in this book).

Many people have wondered what the spirit world is like. The scriptures and latter-day prophets have given us information about the spirit world.

  • What comfort do you receive from your knowledge that there is life after death? How can we use our understanding of the postmortal spirit world to comfort others?

Where Is the Postmortal Spirit World?​

Latter-day prophets have said that the spirits of those who have died are not far from us. President Ezra Taft Benson said: “Sometimes the veil between this life and the life beyond becomes very thin. Our loved ones who have passed on are not far from us” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1971, 18; or Ensign, June 1971, 33). President Brigham Young taught that the postmortal spirit world is on the earth, around us (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young [1997], 279).

What Is the Nature of Our Spirits?​

Spirit beings have the same bodily form as mortals except that the spirit body is in perfect form (see Ether 3:16). Spirits carry with them from earth their attitudes of devotion or antagonism toward things of righteousness (see Alma 34:34). They have the same appetites and desires that they had when they lived on earth. All spirits are in adult form. They were adults before their mortal existence, and they are in adult form after death, even if they die as infants or children (see Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 131–32).

  • Why is it important to know that our spirits will have the same attitudes in the spirit world that they have now?

What Are the Conditions in the Postmortal Spirit World?​

The prophet Alma in the Book of Mormon taught about two divisions or states in the spirit world:

“The spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.

“And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil—for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house—and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil.

“Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection” (Alma 40:12–14).

The spirits are classified according to the purity of their lives and their obedience to the will of the Lord while on earth. The righteous and the wicked are separated (see 1 Nephi 15:28–30), but the spirits may progress as they learn gospel principles and live in accordance with them. The spirits in paradise can teach the spirits in prison (see D&C 138).

For teachers: To help class members or family members understand the differences between paradise and spirit prison, consider drawing a vertical line in the middle of the board or on a large piece of paper, making two columns. At the top of one column, write State of the Righteous. At the top of the other column, write State of the Wicked. Ask members to describe each state in the spirit world, based on their reading in this section. Summarize their comments in the appropriate columns.

Paradise​

According to the prophet Alma, the righteous spirits rest from earthly care and sorrow. Nevertheless, they are occupied in doing the work of the Lord. President Joseph F. Smith saw in a vision that immediately after Jesus Christ was crucified, He visited the righteous in the spirit world. He appointed messengers, gave them power and authority, and commissioned them to “carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to all the spirits of men” (D&C 138:30).

The Church is organized in the spirit world, and priesthood holders continue their responsibilities there (see D&C 138:30). President Wilford Woodruff taught: “The same Priesthood exists on the other side of the veil. … Every Apostle, every Seventy, every Elder, etc., who has died in the faith as soon as he passes to the other side of the veil, enters into the work of the ministry” (Deseret News, Jan. 25, 1882, 818).

Family relationships are also important. President Jedediah M. Grant, a counselor to Brigham Young, saw the spirit world and described to Heber C. Kimball the organization that exists there: “He said that the people he there saw were organized in family capacities. … He said, ‘When I looked at families, there was a deficiency in some, … for I saw families that would not be permitted to come and dwell together, because they had not honored their calling here’” (Deseret News, Dec. 10, 1856, 316–17).

Spirit Prison​

The Apostle Peter referred to the postmortal spirit world as a prison, which it is for some (see 1 Peter 3:18–20). In the spirit prison are the spirits of those who have not yet received the gospel of Jesus Christ. These spirits have agency and may be enticed by both good and evil. If they accept the gospel and the ordinances performed for them in the temples, they may leave the spirit prison and dwell in paradise.

Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the gospel after it was preached to them either on earth or in the spirit prison. These spirits suffer in a condition known as hell. They have removed themselves from the mercy of Jesus Christ, who said, “Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit” (D&C 19:16–18). After suffering for their sins, they will be allowed, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, to inherit the lowest degree of glory, which is the telestial kingdom.

  • How are conditions in the spirit world similar to conditions in this life?

Additional Scriptures​


 
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Ok..... I admit it....
I am clearly in violation of some pretty easy to understand statements by Jesus.....
regarding how dangerous sarcasm and a critical attitude can be spiritually?


Yes,
I am deeply concerned that my Sarcasm could well doom me to a Purgatory
or Hell Realm in the afterlife......
[No wonder I am hopeful that the Latter day Saints are correct in their teachings that the deceased can
learn and grow and improve in the afterlife]?


Here is an example of me being sarcastic in a manner that obviously puts me
pretty close to the edge of the cliff......
[spiritually speaking]?

OK....
does this angle on the whole thing tend to make the last twelve years of Canadian history more easy to understand?

.....

"In my opinion the one and only reason to make
Mr. Gavin Newsom President of the USA would be
to set in motion sincere fasting and prayer by
Christians and Jews and Muslims....
[and even by some Atheists and Agnostics who discern how awful Newsom really is],
who would immediately know that as President Mr. Gavin
Newsom would be even worse than President Biden was.....

and perhaps even worse than Canada's Worst Ever Prime Minister..... Mr. Justin Trudeau!"

.... "



.....
It depends if you target a man or not. In Judaism a tenet I have embraced is the concept of "emotional homicide". In essence, if you embarrass someone to the degree they become deeply humiliated or depressed, it is akin to you murdering them. Thus, a man must not engage in that kind of sarcasm.
 
Ok..... I admit it....
I am clearly in violation of some pretty easy to understand statements by Jesus.....
regarding how dangerous sarcasm and a critical attitude can be spiritually?


Yes,
I am deeply concerned that my Sarcasm could well doom me to a Purgatory
or Hell Realm in the afterlife......
[No wonder I am hopeful that the Latter day Saints are correct in their teachings that the deceased can
learn and grow and improve in the afterlife]?


Here is an example of me being sarcastic in a manner that obviously puts me
pretty close to the edge of the cliff......
[spiritually speaking]?

OK....
does this angle on the whole thing tend to make the last twelve years of Canadian history more easy to understand?

.....

"In my opinion the one and only reason to make
Mr. Gavin Newsom President of the USA would be
to set in motion sincere fasting and prayer by
Christians and Jews and Muslims....
[and even by some Atheists and Agnostics who discern how awful Newsom really is],
who would immediately know that as President Mr. Gavin
Newsom would be even worse than President Biden was.....

and perhaps even worse than Canada's Worst Ever Prime Minister..... Mr. Justin Trudeau!"

.... "



.....
I’m imagining 2029 Republicans on Fox News are furious because the President of the United States is going around the world apologizing for America.
 
Ok..... I admit it....
I am clearly in violation of some pretty easy to understand statements by Jesus.....
regarding how dangerous sarcasm and a critical attitude can be spiritually?


Yes,
I am deeply concerned that my Sarcasm could well doom me to a Purgatory
or Hell Realm in the afterlife......
[No wonder I am hopeful that the Latter day Saints are correct in their teachings that the deceased can
learn and grow and improve in the afterlife]?


Here is an example of me being sarcastic in a manner that obviously puts me
pretty close to the edge of the cliff......
[spiritually speaking]?

OK....
does this angle on the whole thing tend to make the last twelve years of Canadian history more easy to understand?

.....

"In my opinion the one and only reason to make
Mr. Gavin Newsom President of the USA would be
to set in motion sincere fasting and prayer by
Christians and Jews and Muslims....
[and even by some Atheists and Agnostics who discern how awful Newsom really is],
who would immediately know that as President Mr. Gavin
Newsom would be even worse than President Biden was.....

and perhaps even worse than Canada's Worst Ever Prime Minister..... Mr. Justin Trudeau!"

.... "



.....





IF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS....
ARE IN FACT CORRECT ABOUT THERE BEING HOPE IN THE AFTERLIFE.....
then perhaps I can be led to salvation AFTER I pass on from this world that is so full of temptations?!
I'm sorry, where does it say in any religious book that sarcasm is a sin?
 
Ok..... I admit it....
I am clearly in violation of some pretty easy to understand statements by Jesus.....
regarding how dangerous sarcasm and a critical attitude can be spiritually?


Yes,
I am deeply concerned that my Sarcasm could well doom me to a Purgatory
or Hell Realm in the afterlife......
[No wonder I am hopeful that the Latter day Saints are correct in their teachings that the deceased can
learn and grow and improve in the afterlife]?


Here is an example of me being sarcastic in a manner that obviously puts me
pretty close to the edge of the cliff......
[spiritually speaking]?

OK....
does this angle on the whole thing tend to make the last twelve years of Canadian history more easy to understand?

.....

"In my opinion the one and only reason to make
Mr. Gavin Newsom President of the USA would be
to set in motion sincere fasting and prayer by
Christians and Jews and Muslims....
[and even by some Atheists and Agnostics who discern how awful Newsom really is],
who would immediately know that as President Mr. Gavin
Newsom would be even worse than President Biden was.....

and perhaps even worse than Canada's Worst Ever Prime Minister..... Mr. Justin Trudeau!"

.... "



.....





IF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS....
ARE IN FACT CORRECT ABOUT THERE BEING HOPE IN THE AFTERLIFE.....
then perhaps I can be led to salvation AFTER I pass on from this world that is so full of temptations?!
In violation of some statements by Jesus regarding sarcasm? What did he say?
 
It depends if you target a man or not. In Judaism a tenet I have embraced is the concept of "emotional homicide". In essence, if you embarrass someone to the degree they become deeply humiliated or depressed, it is akin to you murdering them. Thus, a man must not engage in that kind of sarcasm.

So do you mean that there might just be at least a glimmer of HOPE for me yet?!

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov seemed to feel rather strongly that the worst of the worst of the worst could be redeemed somehow?


ENCOURAGEMENT AND TESHUVA

When a person enters into service of Hashem and sees it is so hard for him, and it seems as if they are distancing him from above and not allowing him at all to enter, he should know that all this feeling of being “distanced” is truthfully only his being “drawn near”. He must remain very very strong not to be discouraged even if many years of hard work go by and he still feels that he is very far and that he didn’t even begin to enter into the gates of holiness, for he sees that he is full of materialism, evil thoughts and the like, and every time he tries to do something holy it is so hard for him and all his crying and pleading with God seems to be going to waste… On all this he needs great courage not to pay attention to these delusions at all. Because all this “distancing”, in truth, is only his “drawing near”, and all the great tzaddikim had to go through this kind of experience before they reached their level. (LM2 48)

You need to have great stubbornness in the service of Hashem (ibid)

And know! A person has to pass a very very narrow bridge, the main thing is to have no fear at all (ibid)

There is no despair in the world! (LM2 78)

If you believe that you can destroy, believe you can fix. (LM2 112)

You need to greatly encourage yourself in His service as much as you can, even if you are the way you are, you should rely on His abundantly great mercy which is beyond limit, for certainly he will not forsake you, no matter how badly you’ve acted. The past doesn’t exist. The main thing is that from now on you honestly resolve not to do it again. (LM2 49)

This is a great principal in Avodas Hashem – That a person has to begin everyday anew. (LM 261)

When a person falls from his level he should know that it’s heaven-sent, because going down is needed in order to go up, therefore he fell, in order that he arouses himself more to come close to Hashem. Advice for him - Begin anew to enter into service of Hashem as if you have never yet even begun (Ibid)

Whenever a person rises from one level to the next, it necessitates that he first has a descent before the ascent. Because the purpose of any descent is always in order to ascend. (LM 22)

There is a lot to talk about here (in the above topic). Because each person who fell to the place where he fell thinks that these words weren’t spoken for him, for he imagines that these ideas are only for great people who are always climbing from one level to the next. But truthfully, you should know and believe, that all these words were also said concerning the smallest of the small and the worst of the worst, for Hashem is forever good to all. (Ibid as quoted in LE)

It is a great thing for a person to still have an evil inclination because then he is able to serve Hashem with the evil inclination itself. That is, to take all of the fire in his heart and channel it towards service of Hashem. For example, to pray with fiery passion of the heart, etc. For, if there is no evil inclination in a person his service cannot be complete. (LM2 49)

A person must know that “Gods glory fills the entire world” (Isiah 6), and “There is no place void of Him” (Tikunei Zohar), and “He fills all worlds and surrounds all worlds” (Zohar)… even in the most defiled places there is godliness, for He gives life to everything as it says, “And you give life to everything” (Nechemia 9). So even if a person is stuck in the lowest of places he cannot excuse himself and say “I cannot serve Hashem here because of all the thickness and materialism that attacks me always,” for even there you can find Him and cling to Him and do complete teshuva, “For it is not far from you” (devarim 30), only that in this place there are many garments.”(LM 33)

This is the Tikun Haklali, the complete fixing. Whoever destroys his sexual impulse, it will be easy for him to get rid of his other evil desires. For all other impulses stem from this one. (LM 36)

Anyone who wants to enter into the service of Hashem, the only way possible is to be like Avraham who considered himself to be the only one in the world. That is, he should not pay attention to anyone who is preventing him from coming close to Hashem, whether it be his father, mother, in-laws, wife, children, etc. or anyone else in the world who mocks him and tries to prevent him from serving Hashem. He should not pay attention to them at all, rather he should follow the verse “Avraham was one” (Yichezkel 32) As if he is the only one in the world. (LM2 inserted after intro)

“Even when people are serving Idolatry, nevertheless, deep down, they are all submissive to G-d and serving Him, only it is taking place in a greatly concealed realm.” (LM 56)

“There are two concealments. When Hashem is hidden in one concealment it is certainly very hard to find Him, but nevertheless, since it is only one concealment a person is able to exert himself and to dig until he finds Him, for at least he knows that Hashem is hidden. However, when Hashem is hidden in a concealment within a concealment, that is, the concealment itself is hidden from the person, in other words, he has no idea that Hashem is hidden from him, then it is completely impossible to find Him, for he doesn’t even know that Hashem is hidden.” (LM 56)

“But truthfully, even in all the concealments, even in the concealment within a concealment, certainly even there Hashem is enclothed. For certainly there is absolutely nothing that doesn’t contain in it the life-force of Hashem, for without His life-force it would not have any existence at all. Therefore, certainly, in all things, all deeds, and all thoughts, Hashem is, so to speak, enclothed within. Even if, G-d forbid, a person sins and does something against the will of Hashem, nevertheless, there is certainly the life-force of Hashem within that thing, only it is greatly concealed and constricted. (LM 56)

“You should know. The torah which is enclothed within the concealment within a concealment is a very high torah; the secrets of the torah. Since it needs to enclothe itself in these low places, by those who have sinned a lot until Hashem became concealed from them in a concealment within a concealment, Hashem decided not to place there simple torah, in order that the evil should not be able to draw strength from there too much, which will cause much defect. Therefore He concealed and enclothed within there specifically very high torah, the secrets of torah, which is Hashems Torah itself. This is as it says with regards to Egypt (Shemot 12) “I will pass through the land of Egypt, I and not an angel, I and not a messenger, I, Hashem and no other.” For in the land of Egypt, the place of much evil, specifically there, Hashem himself is hidden and enclothed, that is, Hashems Torah itself, the secrets of Torah. Therefore specifically in the concealment within a concealment, even though one cannot find Hashem, his knowledge and belief alone that Hashem is hidden there, turns the concealment around into a great revelation and the secrets of torah are revealed.” (LM 56)

 
In violation of some statements by Jesus regarding sarcasm? What did he say?
Actually, I thought maybe Jesus used sarcasm at one point

John 10 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 ;“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods
 
Actually, I thought maybe Jesus used sarcasm at one point

John 10 31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 ;“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”


34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods
Has nothing to do with sarcasm
 
Yes, I sometimes worry that my sarcasm will cause me to sin.

Reading this convoluted OP, I am even more concerned, for my tendency is to be more concise, making it less likely that Jesus will tl/dr.
 
Yes, I sometimes worry that my sarcasm will cause me to sin.

Reading this convoluted OP, I am even more concerned, for my tendency is to be more concise, making it less likely that Jesus will tl/dr.

Yes.....
just as former Atheist Howard Storm warned all of us that
whatever mind set we are in at the time of our death, [or near death experience in case we are sent back on a mission with a message]..... we can end up with a bunch of people......
who are scarily like us.....
in that fallen state of mind, will, emotion, soul.... and to a degree.. .even in our "spirit?"


[Howard Storm] :

4. The Life Review of Howard Storm
Next, they wanted to talk about my life. To my surprise my life played out before me, maybe six or eight feet in front of me, from beginning to end.

The life review was very much in their control, and they showed me my life, but not from my point of view. I saw me in my life and this whole thing was a lesson, even though I didn’t know it at the time. They were trying to teach me something, but I didn’t know it was a teaching experience, because I didn’t know that I would be coming back. We just watched my life from beginning to the end. Some things they slowed down on, and zoomed in on and other things they went right through.

My life was shown in a way that I had never thought of before. All of the things that I had worked to achieve, the recognition that I had worked for, in elementary school, in high school, in college, and in my career, they meant nothing in this setting.

I could feel their feelings of sorrow and suffering, or joy, as my life’s review unfolded. They didn’t say that something was bad or good, but I could feel it. And I could sense all those things they were indifferent to. They didn’t, for example, look down on my high school shot-put record. They just didn’t feel anything towards it, nor towards other things which I had taken so much pride in.

What they responded to was how I had interacted with other people. That was the long and short of it. Unfortunately, most of my interactions with other people didn’t measure up with how I should have interacted, which was in a loving way. Whenever I did react during my life in a loving way they rejoiced.

Most of the time I found that my interactions with other people had been manipulative. During my professional career, for example, I saw myself sitting in my office, playing the college professor, while a student came to me with a personal problem. I sat there looking compassionate, and patient, and loving, while inside I was bored to death. I would check my watch under my desk as I anxiously waited for the student to finish.

I got to go through all those kinds of experiences in the company of these magnificent beings.

When I was a teenager my father’s career put him into a high-stress, twelve-hour-a-day job. Out of my resentment because of his neglect of me, when he came home from work, I would be cold and indifferent toward him. This made him angry, and it gave me further excuse to feel hatred toward him. He and I fought, and my mother would get upset. Most of my life I had felt that my father was the villain and I was the victim. When we reviewed my life I got to see how I had precipitated so much of that, myself. Instead of greeting him happily at the end of a day, I was continually putting thorns in him in order to justify my hurt.

I got to see when my sister had a bad night one night, how I went into her bedroom and put my arms around her. Not saying anything, I just lay there with my arms around her. As it turned out that experience was one of the biggest triumphs of my life.


 
Yes.....
just as former Atheist Howard Storm warned all of us that
whatever mind set we are in at the time of our death, [or near death experience in case we are sent back on a mission with a message]..... we can end up with a bunch of people......
who are scarily like us.....
in that fallen state of mind, will, emotion, soul.... and to a degree.. .even in our "spirit?"
Good for Howard. The Catholic Church has also mentioned that the state of our soul at the time of death is what will be judged.

Near death is not the same as death. It is, however, a wake-up call for many people.
 
Good for Howard. The Catholic Church has also mentioned that the state of our soul at the time of death is what will be judged.

Near death is not the same as death. It is, however, a wake-up call for many people.

You are absolutely correct.....
I am impressed by the Roman Catholic teachings on "Purgatory" as well as with the Latter day Saints teachings on there being HOPE even for the unsaved dead......

I am Messianic Jewish....
not Roman Catholic or Latter day Saint....
but I am encouraged by their teachings on what happens after death?!

My belief is that Pope Leo is an entirely new beginning for the Roman Catholic Church.....
I believe that Pope Leo will fear Messiah Yeshua - Jesus NOT THE "BLACK POPE"....
[whether the Black Pope is John Gotti or Anton La Vey or John Ramirez or whoever.......].....

 
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