Does America want all unelected people making decisions in government gone?

[progressive hunter]

Did I say he was bad? No. Simply stated facts of legalities and how handled. Calm yourself. We can only sit and watch and hope for the best.

might I suggest you buy a roll of duct tape,,

the future is not going to go the way you like and your head is subject to explode at any given time,,

I suggest no less than 5 layers,, and wrap them tight cause its going to be a hell of a ride,,

 

[Mac1958]

$15 billion plus so far from the government, with much more on the way.

It must be good to be an oligarch!

 

[Robert W]

As the Left melts down as they throw tantrum after tantrum because Elon Musk, who has not been elected directly by the people, is making governmental decisions, is everyone alright with getting rid of all unelected officials?

That would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The vast Majority of Government making vital decisions are not elected.

Take Ernie Garbarino who was once my client. Earnie made decisions to construct the IRS building and facilities in Fresno, CA and essentially he was lord.

He also got promoted and had the later job to manage Nixons western white house at San Clemente, CA and he told me that up to 8 agencies spent money on that facility. Such as building a presidential helicopter pad.
He said the Secret Service had dominion there. I don't recall all 8 of the agencies but though he was the top dog, he did not control all the facilities operations at all.

How do I know he worked for Nixon. I was in his home many times. In his family room on a wall his kids were held up by Nixon as were they grandkids of the president. When Watergate hit, I had to talk to Ernie and could not get him at his office then in San Francisco. He later told me the FBI picked him up and took him to a Bay Area motel to grill him. Ernie was the closest I ever got to any president and it only amounted to a senior Government manager.

 

[kyzr]

It should be that way, but it isn't. He has been given the keys to the city and it's inner workings, whether it is legal or not. Sometimes the difference between legal and illegal is whether prosecuted. It is clear, Trump owes him and is repaying, for paying for the trump campaign. It was an election cycle where rank and file, long term Republican donors, simply would not contribute at previous levels, that would sustain an effective nationwide presidential campaign. So, without Elon forking up 64 Plus Percent of the campaign funding, he paid for the victory, and bought the control, he desired.
I too, submit my opinion, giving direct access control to the Federal payment system is beyond the pale. But, with trump pick in DOJ having more loyalty to Trump than the country, it is unlikely any action will be taken. It simply boils down to how far trump allows Elon to go.

1. Trump runs the Executive Branch. I agree that Elon and Vivek are sharp businessmen who can spot fraud and inefficiency in the inner workings of the government. They have been legally tasked by Trump to eliminate fraud and make the government efficient.

2. For decades the USAID and other agencies have stonewalled and ignored congress' attempts for oversight, they will confirm it.

3. You did not quote any laws that Musk is breaking. Got any? I don't think so. Just casting partisan suspicions?

4. Zuckerberg paid about $400m to buy the 2020 election for Biden, why no problem there? Kamala got $1.5b for her campaign and lost, so maybe money isn't as big a deal as you assume?

5. Musk has "read only" access to the Federal payment system, not "direct access and control" as you say.

6. You call Pam Bondi a Trump shill without saying what she should indict Musk for, a partisan cheap shot.

 

[White 6]

might I suggest you buy a roll of duct tape,,

the future is not going to go the way you like and your head is subject to explode at any given time,,

I suggest no less than 5 layers,, and wrap them tight cause its going to be a hell of a ride,,

No need for Duct tape. I can handle the view, knowing I will not be among the physically or financially harmed.
Wait, what? Duct tape is how you hold your brains in? Metal plate after accident, Prog?

 

[progressive hunter]

No need for Duct tape. I can handle the view, knowing I will not be among the physically or financially harmed.
Wait, what? Duct tape is how you hold your brains in? Metal plate after accident, Prog?

from what youve said today I would say your time is running out cause your ears are leaking a slimy ooze,,

 

[konradv]

There are most likely other ways to get data on people. We see massive stealing of that data at times for some reason. Humans having to know about other humans is a weakness. It leads to oppression and despots. The technology has caught up to achieve the most severe dystopian state in world history. If you see D.C. with Musk as a culprit, what is D.C. with the people in charge and the abuses they have on others now? It is difficult to keep freedoms when a government is enlarging itself way past the real inflation rate year after year and that does not even include new programs. Unwieldly and corruption is a truism.

DC with Musk in charge is like Moscow with Stalin in charge.

 

[White 6]

1. Trump runs the Executive Branch. I agree that Elon and Vivek are sharp businessmen who can spot fraud and inefficiency in the inner workings of the government. They have been legally tasked by Trump to eliminate fraud and make the government efficient.

2. For decades the USAID and other agencies have stonewalled and ignored congress' attempts for oversight, they will confirm it.

3. You did not quote any laws that Musk is breaking. Got any? I don't think so. Just casting partisan suspicions?

4. Zuckerberg paid about $400m to buy the 2020 election for Biden, why no problem there? Kamala got $1.5b for her campaign and lost, so maybe money isn't as big a deal as you assume?

5. Musk has "read only" access to the Federal payment system, not "direct access and control" as you say.

6. You call Pam Bondi a Trump shill without saying what she should indict Musk for, a partisan cheap shot.

Bondi was called a shill by somebody?

I did not know Zuck paid $400 mill to buy 2020 Biden election, as this first time I have seen that number or heard it said.

Reports are, he does have direct control access, at this time.

 

[kyzr]

$15 billion plus so far from the government, with much more on the way.
It must be good to be an oligarch!

Musk is worth $600b or so, so what is your point? $15b is peanuts.

Without Musk the government wouldn't have a space program or access to the space station, you prefer wasting money on DEI?

 

[Robert W]

Probably turning the keys to Federal Payment system over to an Expat with triple citizenship, overriding security clearances for even classified veiwing access, much less active control and reprogamming authority, using Expat operatives. It is certainly not ethical, in terms of simple conflicts of interests, considering the number of government contracts he receives money through, and due to him being the chief financier of buying Trump into office.

But, like I said her or elsewhere, what is legal or illegal depends on if there is an agency to prosecute. There isn't, as far as the present government is concerned. Theoretically, you could rob a Federally insured bank, normally illegal, but if the Feds refuse to prosecute, you get to walk and enjoy the money. Laws are only valid, if enforced. Look at New York City, where prostitution is legal, as the District Attorney made and announce decision it would not be enforced against the prostitutes themselves, while he was in office. So, still on the books, but made meaningless.

White 6, I suggest you get updated information. Musk only is examining the system. The media lied saying he is able to look at all US citizens data. Trump cleared that up. But lies last weeks but the Truth lasts one day in DC.
There are thousands in that system looking at the same thing who are not elected. They are Government hires. Musk is working on the system, not the data in the system.

AP:
Politics

Treasury tells Congress that DOGE has ‘Read Only’ access to payment systems​

By FATIMA HUSSEIN & JOSH BOAK
Updated 4:56 PM MST, February 4, 2025
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WASHINGTON (AP) — A Treasury Department official wrote a letter Tuesday to federal lawmakers saying that a tech executive working with Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency will have “read-only access” to the government’s payment system.
The official sent the letter out of concerns from members of Congress that DOGE’s involvement with the payment system for the federal government could lead to security risks or missed payments for programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Lawmakers are also concerned that Musk, an unelected citizen, wields too much power within the U.S. government and states blatantly on his social media platform that DOGE will shut down payments to organizations.
DOGE, a Trump administration task force assigned to find ways to fire federal workers, cut programs and slash federal regulations, has raised concerns about its intentions and overruling of career officials at multiple agencies. Democratic lawmakers have voiced frustration over the lack of transparency and public accountability, saying that Musk’s people might illegally withhold payments to suit their political agenda.

 

[kyzr]

Bondi was called a shill by somebody?

I did not know Zuck paid $350 mill to buy 2020 Biden election, as this first time I have seen that number or heard it said.

Reports are, he does have direct control access, at this time.

You insinuated that Pam would not indict Musk even though he was breaking yet to be named laws

What are ‘Zuckerbucks’ and Why Are They Controversial? | National Review

GOP candidates in many states have put banning ‘Zuckerbucks’ on their campaign platforms. Here’s what they are and why they have been the subject of controversy.

www.nationalreview.com

My news sources say read only access.

Treasury says Elon Musk's DOGE has "read only" access to payment systems

Democratic lawmakers have expressed concern that access to the system could allow DOGE, which disburses nearly 90% of all federal payments, to restrict disbursement of federal funds.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why do you trust Elon with this control?

How can he abuse it except to benefit the taxpayer?

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

As the Left melts down as they throw tantrum after tantrum because Elon Musk, who has not been elected directly by the people, is making governmental decisions, is everyone alright with getting rid of all unelected officials?

That would be awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unelected bureaucrats are the backbone of our democracy and shared values
Racist

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm not. I simply prefer the constitution and laws passed by congress, as a means to govern the country.

So you have no problem with USAID funding terrorists. Typical TDS sufferer.

 

[Billiejeens]

Yes all the hidden methods of self enrichment are now exposed and that’s just So terrible

Those are his people
He runs with thieves.

 

[Votto]

So you have no problem with USAID funding terrorists. Typical TDS sufferer.

Trump is the only terrorist, him and Bibi, that is.

Everyone else is just fine..................except maybe.....................

 

[Robert W]

1. Trump runs the Executive Branch. I agree that Elon and Vivek are sharp businessmen who can spot fraud and inefficiency in the inner workings of the government. They have been legally tasked by Trump to eliminate fraud and make the government efficient.

2. For decades the USAID and other agencies have stonewalled and ignored congress' attempts for oversight, they will confirm it.

3. You did not quote any laws that Musk is breaking. Got any? I don't think so. Just casting partisan suspicions?

4. Zuckerberg paid about $400m to buy the 2020 election for Biden, why no problem there? Kamala got $1.5b for her campaign and lost, so maybe money isn't as big a deal as you assume?

5. Musk has "read only" access to the Federal payment system, not "direct access and control" as you say.

6. You call Pam Bondi a Trump shill without saying what she should indict Musk for, a partisan cheap shot.

Trump should have full access to every part of the Federal Government. Zillions who are not elected work there. And when those decide to lie to Trumps representatives, the shit will hit the fan. Democrats will of course exaggerate it to make it seem Trump is dismantling Government. But what Democrat has ever audited any part of the Federal Government? Did Biden ever audit any of it?

Alert to posters. I have actual budget experience over a corporation.

Here is how it worked there. We directors would approve the hire or our CEO. We on the Budget committee also were in charge of finances. For instance the corporation was in an old building. We needed to get rid of asbestos and change it to accommodate far more members.

The CEO was in charge of the accounting department. He came to us when he needed to hire any in the organization of the corporation. We would look it over and report to the Full board of Directors, where I was also one. Yes we used HIS figures by those he was boss over. We also had an outside auditor the bylaws granted the corporation. I always looked things over like I wore microscopes. I learned not to trust the CEO. He was building up his own work portfolio. He wanted to earn much more money. His interests clashed with my interests and other members too.

Anyway, I have also met personally with politicians over CA. I don't trust any Democrat. And as to Republicans, if they actually work for the citizens, those I trust and not others. I never found any Democrat who was honest. Simple as that.

 

[White 6]

You insinuated that Pam would not indict Musk even though he was breaking yet to be named laws

What are ‘Zuckerbucks’ and Why Are They Controversial? | National Review

GOP candidates in many states have put banning ‘Zuckerbucks’ on their campaign platforms. Here’s what they are and why they have been the subject of controversy.

www.nationalreview.com

My news sources say read only access.

Treasury says Elon Musk's DOGE has "read only" access to payment systems

Democratic lawmakers have expressed concern that access to the system could allow DOGE, which disburses nearly 90% of all federal payments, to restrict disbursement of federal funds.

www.cbsnews.com

I figure, if Trump does not want it, it ain't happening or a replacement will be made. I actually approve of her qualifications, simply have no idea where here true allegiance is, though.

 

[Robert W]

Trump is the only terrorist, him and Bibi, that is.

Everyone else is just fine..................except maybe.....................

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Votto, I totally misjudged you as a person for the public and not as a supporter of Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

I figure, if Trump does not want it, it ain't happening or a replacement will be made. I actually approve of her qualifications, simply have no idea where here true allegiance is, though.

Bondi has only one allegiance. To the public who support her. She has a supreme track record working for the public in Florida.