Do you support Iran or the US in the current conflict?

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'm not scared of him, I'm just bored of him, because he never says anything interesting.

But do stick your fingers in your ears and yell "Lalalalalala", it's about your maturity level.

Hold on. So you believe that I say interesting stuff? Thanks, Joey. Since this is an opinion forum. In my opinion, you’re scared of him.

 

[JoeB131]

Hold on. So you believe that I say interesting stuff? Thanks, Joey. Since this is an opinion forum. In my opinion, you’re scared of him.

Naw, he just doesn't say anything all that interesting.

Same with Unkotard

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Naw, he just doesn't say anything all that interesting.

Same with Unkotard

Who?

 

[longly]

This is just the latest evidence of how you people on the right are given to simplistic , concrete , binary thinking and have no ability to parse nuances . To begin with, it is beyond stupid to say that “the left” are “supporting and cheering for the Islamic Theocracy of Iran” I think that I can safely speak for most if not all on the left in saying that the Iranian government is evil, corrupt and a menace to Israel and the entire region.

That inane statement- that we support Iran - is based entirely on the fact that we oppose Trumps illegal and unnecessary war that he started on the pretext that Iran was an imminent danger to the US.

The fact is that I do not support either side, and while I do not want to see the US military defeated, I am enjoying the fact that your Moronic Orange Asshole has put them in an impossible and unwinnable situation in an asymmetrical conflict that Iran is winning simply by not losing. Trump has painted himself into a corner and I will admit, I am enjoying watching him squirm .

Trump set the stage for this fiasco in his first term when he tore up the deal with Iran that Obama negotiated, just because it was Obama who did it. Now he is pondering a deal that like a whole lot like that Obama deal . How ******* Ironic.

I think you’re wrong. The U.S. military could win a war against Iran. The problem is that the cost would be extremely high — there’s no way around that. A conflict would involve a lot of lives lost.

I’ve always said that no American president is eager to go to war with Iran, because achieving total defeat of the Iranian people would be very difficult. But a war with limited objectives could be fought — especially if the goal were the destruction of the Iranian government and its enforcers, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Unless someone supports the ruling clerics in Iran, they would have to admit that anything weakening the Iranian government is good, and anything strengthening it is bad. It’s unfortunate that the good people of Iran are caught in the middle, but there’s no easy way around that.

Make no mistake: the top leadership of Iran’s Islamic government is composed of religious hardliners — unless they are simply hypocrites pretending to be fanatics, which I don’t believe.

 

[JoeB131]

I think you’re wrong. The U.S. military could win a war against Iran. The problem is that the cost would be extremely high — there’s no way around that. A conflict would involve a lot of lives lost.

I’ve always said that no American president is eager to go to war with Iran, because achieving total defeat of the Iranian people would be very difficult. But a war with limited objectives could be fought — especially if the goal were the destruction of the Iranian government and its enforcers, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

Major flaw with this argument. This is pretty much what we tried to do in Vietnam- Not take out the Hanoi regime, but just have the "limited" goal of propping up a regime in Saigon. We took 56,000 casualties, spent 8 years of heavy fighting, and at the end of the day, the Saigon regime folded like a cheap shirt when we left.

Here's what our planners in Washington don't want to admit. As bad as the Mullahs are, most Iranians support them.

Unless someone supports the ruling clerics in Iran, they would have to admit that anything weakening the Iranian government is good, and anything strengthening it is bad. It’s unfortunate that the good people of Iran are caught in the middle, but there’s no easy way around that.

Except not really. For its faults, the Islamic Republic is a known quantity. People you could sign agreements with and expect them to keep them.

The same could not be said of a regime run by the IRGC, which is already stepping into the void left when we killed all the Iranian leaders.

Make no mistake: the top leadership of Iran’s Islamic government is composed of religious hardliners — unless they are simply hypocrites pretending to be fanatics, which I don’t believe.

Nor do I. But the problem isn't just the top leadership. It's the middle leadership, and the person on the street. If there were Iranians who didn't think we were the "Great Satan" before we inflicted all this misery on them, they certainly think so now.

 

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Major flaw with this argument. This is pretty much what we tried to do in Vietnam- Not take out the Hanoi regime, but just have the "limited" goal of propping up a regime in Saigon. We took 56,000 casualties, spent 8 years of heavy fighting, and at the end of the day, the Saigon regime folded like a cheap shirt when we left.

Here's what our planners in Washington don't want to admit. As bad as the Mullahs are, most Iranians support them.



Except not really. For its faults, the Islamic Republic is a known quantity. People you could sign agreements with and expect them to keep them.

The same could not be said of a regime run by the IRGC, which is already stepping into the void left when we killed all the Iranian leaders.


Nor do I. But the problem isn't just the top leadership. It's the middle leadership, and the person on the street. If there were Iranians who didn't think we were the "Great Satan" before we inflicted all this misery on them, they certainly think so now.

ITS A MESS, on that could we all agree? With no good known plan on disarmament. S0 WHAT?? Another long term WAR we can not afford? is that your best bet?