Do You Believe in the Concept of "My Body, My Choice"

[Anguille]

I voted for #1. I believe it is wrong for the government or anyone to prevent women from having abortions. I believe it is also wrong for the government to oblige me to buy health insurance from a private provider. I however think it's right for the government to tax us in order to provide non profit healthcare.

 

[Modbert]

Shouldn't the poll be women only?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I voted for #1. I believe it is wrong for the government or anyone to prevent women from having abortions. I believe it is also wrong for the government to oblige me to buy health insurance from a private provider. I however think it's right for the government to tax us in order to provide non profit healthcare.

I agree except for the government taxing us for ANYTHING. I'm a total stick in the mud on taxes.

 

[Ravi]

You Are you PP's sock puppet? I didn't notice that question, but I'll answer it anyway.

Yes, IF all reasonable medical costs are covered, so should be abortion.

And on demand, absolutely. There's no reason to make a law to keep you from becoming hysterical because some woman might abort late term.

Idiot stick, you did not make it clear who you were addressing.

But...

You believe abortion should be an entitlement. Right?

We should just pay for all abortions with our hard-earned tax dollars?

I don't believe I said that, perhaps you should read my response again.

 

[veritas]

We should just pay for all abortions with our hard-earned tax dollars?

It would probably save tax dollars over time. The women that want abortions and need the gov't to pay for them would in turn be more likely to be a tax burden on the system anyway. If they can't pay for an abortion, pre-natal and obstetric care is much more expensive than that so we would be on the hook for 10 times the amount of the procedure right off the bat assuming an optimal outcome. This doesn't even begin to include future hardships that are eligible for even more public assistance like housing and food and continuing medicaid coverage.

Abortions don't count in overall stats as far as infant mortality either, and women not wanting to be pregnant are not in the category of tending to care about their pregnancies so our stats would suffer and so would the children, not to mention the costs skyrocketing. High risk pregnancies are expensive, so are neo-natal specialists. Neonatologists do four more years of school than regular doctors, the nurses are all specialized and paid more and NICUs are really really expensive to run.

 

[Ravi]

Can you provide a little more detail ravi?

I'm following your thought but am wanting to understand more of its substance.



Hey people there is a poll its not public so feel free to vote

I don't know what else to say...ask me a question.

I'm not sure if I have a specific question its just something about your post is nagging at my brain. Let me make a statement and see where it goes.

I feel, in the end, that purchasing health insurance coverage or having an abortion both fall under the "my body, my choice" statement. I feel it would be wrong for the govt to deny abortion and I also feel its wrong for the government to fine me if i choose to not have health insurance as both are an individuals personal choice to make.

You said I can't compare the two and that just isn't processing for me right now. Which is why I asked you to make a slightly more in depth post to see if there is something i'm missing about your position.

You can't compel a person to give birth...I just can't see how it would be possible physically or constitutionally.

You can compel someone to pay a tax. No one is making you seek medical treatment, instead they are taxing you to pay for medical care.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Shouldn't the poll be women only?

In a way, yes. .

But still if I was with a girl and she got pregnant and wanted an abortion I would hope that she at least discussed it with me first, not that I have the final say but it would be our child and I'd at least like to give my input. So the guys can vote on it too

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You Are you PP's sock puppet? I didn't notice that question, but I'll answer it anyway.

Yes, IF all reasonable medical costs are covered, so should be abortion.

And on demand, absolutely. There's no reason to make a law to keep you from becoming hysterical because some woman might abort late term.

Idiot stick, you did not make it clear who you were addressing.

But...

You believe abortion should be an entitlement. Right?

We should just pay for all abortions with our hard-earned tax dollars?

I don't believe I said that, perhaps you should read my response again.

You said "covered" and didn't differentiate between government "coverage" and personal coverage.

Right?

Yes.

"Covered" by whom? I want you sailing in the specific ocean honey, not wallowing in the speculantic like you often do.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I don't know what else to say...ask me a question.

I'm not sure if I have a specific question its just something about your post is nagging at my brain. Let me make a statement and see where it goes.

I feel, in the end, that purchasing health insurance coverage or having an abortion both fall under the "my body, my choice" statement. I feel it would be wrong for the govt to deny abortion and I also feel its wrong for the government to fine me if i choose to not have health insurance as both are an individuals personal choice to make.

You said I can't compare the two and that just isn't processing for me right now. Which is why I asked you to make a slightly more in depth post to see if there is something i'm missing about your position.

You can't compel a person to give birth...I just can't see how it would be possible physically or constitutionally.

You can compel someone to pay a tax. No one is making you seek medical treatment, instead they are taxing you to pay for medical care.

I think we are missing each other here Ravi. I'm not talking about increasing or imposing a tax to pay for health care, I'm talking about fining someone who chooses to not purchase or take health care for whatever reason they may choose to do so.

 

[Dis]

I don't think abortion should ever be just a mere "choice". I think there should be extenuating circumstances involved, such as *severe* risk to the mother, or child (by that I mean potential death), and rape.

I think if you're on welfare, you should be prohibited from having more children until such time that you can *afford* them on your own.

I think that there's no such thing as an "oops", as birth control is readily available to anyone that wants it, regardless of age. If you CHOOSE not to use it, and get pregnant, suck it up, and raise your child.

That's the short version.

So, therefore, I agree with none of your poll choices.

 

[Modbert]

In a way, yes. .

But still if I was with a girl and she got pregnant and wanted an abortion I would hope that she at least discussed it with me first, not that I have the final say but it would be our child and I'd at least like to give my input. So the guys can vote on it too

Poor poor Plymco. This is the reality of the situation:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iie3BkmulS8]YouTube - Chris Rock about Abortion[/ame]

 

[Midnight Marauder]

No one is making you seek medical treatment, instead they are taxing you to pay for medical care.

Read that carefully, again. And try to grasp the concept of: when do we ever pay for something and NOT want our money's worth?

So? The system will be flooded with bullshit frivolous uses of health care by the young and healthy, who otherwise wouldn't even be IN the system, and yet there's no increase in infrastructure and personnel. Think about that for a few.

I mean, really think about it.

 

[Ravi]

I voted for #1. I believe it is wrong for the government or anyone to prevent women from having abortions. I believe it is also wrong for the government to oblige me to buy health insurance from a private provider. I however think it's right for the government to tax us in order to provide non profit healthcare.

Very good, IMO. I think I can agree with you there.

 

[johnrocks]

Her choice was in choosing to either spread her legs or keeping those knees locked, now there is another life.

 

[Ravi]

Idiot stick, you did not make it clear who you were addressing.

But...

You believe abortion should be an entitlement. Right?

We should just pay for all abortions with our hard-earned tax dollars?

I don't believe I said that, perhaps you should read my response again.

You said "covered" and didn't differentiate between government "coverage" and personal coverage.

Right?

Yes.

"Covered" by whom? I want you sailing in the specific ocean honey, not wallowing in the speculantic like you often do.

Covered. by. the. insurance.

 

[Ravi]

I'm not sure if I have a specific question its just something about your post is nagging at my brain. Let me make a statement and see where it goes.

I feel, in the end, that purchasing health insurance coverage or having an abortion both fall under the "my body, my choice" statement. I feel it would be wrong for the govt to deny abortion and I also feel its wrong for the government to fine me if i choose to not have health insurance as both are an individuals personal choice to make.

You said I can't compare the two and that just isn't processing for me right now. Which is why I asked you to make a slightly more in depth post to see if there is something i'm missing about your position.

You can't compel a person to give birth...I just can't see how it would be possible physically or constitutionally.

You can compel someone to pay a tax. No one is making you seek medical treatment, instead they are taxing you to pay for medical care.

I think we are missing each other here Ravi. I'm not talking about increasing or imposing a tax to pay for health care, I'm talking about fining someone who chooses to not purchase or take health care for whatever reason they may choose to do so.

It's the same thing...a tax and a fine are the same thing.

 

[Anguille]

.....suck it up, and raise your child.

I am always astounded by that kind of attitude towards children. Basically regarding them as punishment for pregnancy.

 

[Ravi]

No one is making you seek medical treatment, instead they are taxing you to pay for medical care.

Read that carefully, again. And try to grasp the concept of: when do we ever pay for something and NOT want our money's worth?

So? The system will be flooded with bullshit frivolous uses of health care by the young and healthy, who otherwise wouldn't even be IN the system, and yet there's no increase in infrastructure and personnel. Think about that for a few.

I mean, really think about it.

Never, but we do it every year. It's called income tax.

What frivolous things? You act as if people are going to be going to the doctor to have a splinter removed or because their mommy is too busy to put a bandaid on their booboos. As usual, you are exagerating.

 

[Modbert]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXviTQZQZxM]YouTube - George Carlin - Abortion[/ame]

 

[Anguille]

We should just pay for all abortions with our hard-earned tax dollars?

It would probably save tax dollars over time. The women that want abortions and need the gov't to pay for them would in turn be more likely to be a tax burden on the system anyway. If they can't pay for an abortion, pre-natal and obstetric care is much more expensive than that so we would be on the hook for 10 times the amount of the procedure right off the bat assuming an optimal outcome. This doesn't even begin to include future hardships that are eligible for even more public assistance like housing and food and continuing medicaid coverage.

Abortions don't count in overall stats as far as infant mortality either, and women not wanting to be pregnant are not in the category of tending to care about their pregnancies so our stats would suffer and so would the children, not to mention the costs skyrocketing. High risk pregnancies are expensive, so are neo-natal specialists. Neonatologists do four more years of school than regular doctors, the nurses are all specialized and paid more and NICUs are really really expensive to run.

I don't agree with all you say but you raise some important points.