Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Markle]

It's their countries. We have no business doing anything but leave them alone.

How did that work out leading up to WW-I and then thirty years later to WW-II? How has having us as the "world policeman" worked since 1946?

Not so well. We have accomplished nothing in anything we were involved in since 1946.

 

[pknopp]

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

Specifically, who provides the money, the cash, used by a company to pay their taxes? To pay for anything?

If they pay say 20% on profits on cars made here and 70% on profits made here on vehicles made in China what happens to the incentive to move to China?

 

[pknopp]

LOL, you see the idea that not everyone can see a doctor or afford medical care when they need it as a positive thing. I initially chuckled but really, that's sad that you would think that way.

But, your leading candidate, Socialist Bernie Sanders, sees even bread lines as a good thing. How can he be trusted with our health care when he believes we should stand in line for a loaf of bread?

Bread lines are not as bad as sexual assault which Trump promoted.

That's just childish. You might have a weak point about President Clinton but you're quoting guys on a sports show, BSing after the show together. Have you ever been in a male locker room?

It's as valid of a point as yours.

 

[pknopp]

It's their countries. We have no business doing anything but leave them alone.

How did that work out leading up to WW-I and then thirty years later to WW-II? How has having us as the "world policeman" worked since 1946?

Not so well. We have accomplished nothing in anything we were involved in since 1946.

I guess you were unable to provide a proper rebuttal..

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs never work. Repubs are really stupid to think they will when they have a long history of failure.

If tariffs never work then why does every country have tariffs?

this is not a new invention of trump

They work as a tax. Every country has taxes. They don’t work to bring back jobs or protect industries. They always hurt consumers.

If tariffs were bad then every other country in the world would not have them also

You are the type who will walk off a cliff cause everyone else is. Trump sheep...

You are replying to a russian troll.

That person doesn't give a damn about America. That person is probably having fun arguing with you.

The only reply that person should ever receive is "how's the weather in moscow today comrade?"

A russian troll in russia or a bernie bot in America?

I suspect it could be either one

 

[Mac-7]

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Yes America did.

The republicans gave them huge tax cuts so they can keep more of the money they make by sending our jobs to other nations.

They've been given tax cuts since reagan. Interesting, the leaving America started when reagan cut their taxes.

Cutting taxes on the rich and big business only encourages them too leave America.

They aren't going to stay here on their own. They have shown that they have to have an incentive to stay and lowering their taxes has shown it does the opposite, it encourages them to leave.

They need to be encouraged to stay.

Impose huge tax penalties if they move. Don't make the tax penalty a one time thing. The penalties stay until they move back to America.

Giving them huge tax breaks, breaking the unions, removing worker and environmental protections and keeping wages low has not kept them here.

All that has done has caused our jobs to be lost, the nation to become divided, caused more crime and removed revenue that's need to maintain our way of life.

You are REALLY interested in taxes

Do you think government taxing the rich and giving the money to poor liberals will make America a better country?

I dont

but making more products in America instead of china will help poor Americans and America overall

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs address offshoring? We refuse to address offshoring?

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

A tariff on imported china cars would be a tax on GM national disloyality

Consumers would pay it, not GM. They should be taxed at 70% on their profits.

Only if they choose to buy the GM car made in china

or any car made in china

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

I dont want to import everything we consume from china

if that means tariffs so be it

We don't import everything we consume from Jina, but you do apparently want to pay more for some goods. And we're not bringing back jobs, we're simply moving them elsewhere in Asia, and relocating mftring also increases costs and consumer prices.

Tariffs may be justifiable when they are aimed at countries that don't offer free access to their markets or subsidize production with govt spending. Jina was accussed of both. But Trump has a trade deal now, the merits of which are debated by those with knowledge

Even if we merely move production from china that is a win for America because it reduces chinas influence and economic power

This is wrong headed thinking. Everyone does better when everyone does better.

Are you saying whats good for china is good for America

if so thats globalist nonsense

 

[Markle]

Tax cuts don't do that. In fact it hurts more than helps because it denies the nation the proper revenues to maintain our way of life, it concentrates more wealth in fewer hands, creates more monopolies and creates a large lower class that can't support themselves.

The chances of you being an accountant are somewhere between slim and none and Slim left town. If you are, you are an accountant only for very low-income people!

Why then are our revenues increasing with the tax cut?

 

[pknopp]

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Yes America did.

The republicans gave them huge tax cuts so they can keep more of the money they make by sending our jobs to other nations.

They've been given tax cuts since reagan. Interesting, the leaving America started when reagan cut their taxes.

Cutting taxes on the rich and big business only encourages them too leave America.

They aren't going to stay here on their own. They have shown that they have to have an incentive to stay and lowering their taxes has shown it does the opposite, it encourages them to leave.

They need to be encouraged to stay.

Impose huge tax penalties if they move. Don't make the tax penalty a one time thing. The penalties stay until they move back to America.

Giving them huge tax breaks, breaking the unions, removing worker and environmental protections and keeping wages low has not kept them here.

All that has done has caused our jobs to be lost, the nation to become divided, caused more crime and removed revenue that's need to maintain our way of life.

You are REALLY interested in taxes

Do you think government taxing the rich and giving the money to poor liberals will make America a better country?

I dont

but making more products in America instead of china will help poor Americans and America overall

You can address my position or simply state your standard rant.

 

[pknopp]

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

A tariff on imported china cars would be a tax on GM national disloyality

Consumers would pay it, not GM. They should be taxed at 70% on their profits.

Only if they choose to buy the GM car made in china

or any car made in china

The cost of moving overseas should be directed at those who do that, not the consumer.

 

[Mac-7]

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Yes America did.

The republicans gave them huge tax cuts so they can keep more of the money they make by sending our jobs to other nations.

They've been given tax cuts since reagan. Interesting, the leaving America started when reagan cut their taxes.

Cutting taxes on the rich and big business only encourages them too leave America.

They aren't going to stay here on their own. They have shown that they have to have an incentive to stay and lowering their taxes has shown it does the opposite, it encourages them to leave.

They need to be encouraged to stay.

Impose huge tax penalties if they move. Don't make the tax penalty a one time thing. The penalties stay until they move back to America.

Giving them huge tax breaks, breaking the unions, removing worker and environmental protections and keeping wages low has not kept them here.

All that has done has caused our jobs to be lost, the nation to become divided, caused more crime and removed revenue that's need to maintain our way of life.

You are REALLY interested in taxes

Do you think government taxing the rich and giving the money to poor liberals will make America a better country?

I dont

but making more products in America instead of china will help poor Americans and America overall

You can address my position or simply state your standard rant.

Why dont you state your position?

the lib I was replying to thinks taxes are the key to lib nirvana

 

[Markle]

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

Specifically, who provides the money, the cash, used by a company to pay their taxes? To pay for anything?

If they pay say 20% on profits on cars made here and 70% on profits made here on vehicles made in China what happens to the incentive to move to China?

You're just talking foolishly. Are you trying to look ignorant?

 

[Mac-7]

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Why not a big increase on the taxes of that company? Why should the consumer be the one to pay?

A tariff on imported china cars would be a tax on GM national disloyality

Consumers would pay it, not GM. They should be taxed at 70% on their profits.

Only if they choose to buy the GM car made in china

or any car made in china

The cost of moving overseas should be directed at those who do that, not the consumer.

When democrats are in charge you can try it your way

as I said, not just GM cars but all cars made in china should be tariffed

 

[Markle]

The cost of moving overseas should be directed at those who do that, not the consumer.

I take it that you realize that statement of yours makes no sense, whatsoever. NONE.

What is the source of each and every dollar spent by any company? The consumer or Sen. Sanders money tree?

 

[pknopp]

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Yes America did.

The republicans gave them huge tax cuts so they can keep more of the money they make by sending our jobs to other nations.

They've been given tax cuts since reagan. Interesting, the leaving America started when reagan cut their taxes.

Cutting taxes on the rich and big business only encourages them too leave America.

They aren't going to stay here on their own. They have shown that they have to have an incentive to stay and lowering their taxes has shown it does the opposite, it encourages them to leave.

They need to be encouraged to stay.

Impose huge tax penalties if they move. Don't make the tax penalty a one time thing. The penalties stay until they move back to America.

Giving them huge tax breaks, breaking the unions, removing worker and environmental protections and keeping wages low has not kept them here.

All that has done has caused our jobs to be lost, the nation to become divided, caused more crime and removed revenue that's need to maintain our way of life.

You are REALLY interested in taxes

Do you think government taxing the rich and giving the money to poor liberals will make America a better country?

I dont

but making more products in America instead of china will help poor Americans and America overall

You can address my position or simply state your standard rant.

Why dont you state your position?

the lib I was replying to thinks taxes are the key to lib nirvana

I did state my position.

 

[Billy000]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

You don't cut taxes in a boom economy, unless you have a balance budget. You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts. Those are Republican policies. If you're not going to be the world's policeman, you don't need the biggest, most expensive army in the world. War is expensive, and putting it on the credit care is worse.

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class. Republicans are taxing the middle class to pay for earned income credits for poor workers employed by the richest companies in America. Everything since Reagan has been put on the government's credit card for your children to pay for it. Young people are mad as hell. You lived the good life, they have to pay for it.

You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts.

The Dems are free to write a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent.
Why haven't they?

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class.

When is the last time the Dems cut middle class taxes?

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

You don't cut taxes in a boom economy, unless you have a balance budget. You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts. Those are Republican policies. If you're not going to be the world's policeman, you don't need the biggest, most expensive army in the world. War is expensive, and putting it on the credit care is worse.

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class. Republicans are taxing the middle class to pay for earned income credits for poor workers employed by the richest companies in America. Everything since Reagan has been put on the government's credit card for your children to pay for it. Young people are mad as hell. You lived the good life, they have to pay for it.

You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts.

The Dems are free to write a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent.
Why haven't they?

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class.

When is the last time the Dems cut middle class taxes?

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

I don't believe you.
Show me the cut he gave.

 

[pknopp]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

You don't cut taxes in a boom economy, unless you have a balance budget. You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts. Those are Republican policies. If you're not going to be the world's policeman, you don't need the biggest, most expensive army in the world. War is expensive, and putting it on the credit care is worse.

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class. Republicans are taxing the middle class to pay for earned income credits for poor workers employed by the richest companies in America. Everything since Reagan has been put on the government's credit card for your children to pay for it. Young people are mad as hell. You lived the good life, they have to pay for it.

You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts.

The Dems are free to write a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent.
Why haven't they?

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class.

When is the last time the Dems cut middle class taxes?

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

I don't believe you.
Show me the cut he gave.

American Taxpayer Relief Act Of 2012

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Republicans do nothing for the middle class but Democrats will tax the shit out of them. How is that helping them.

You don't cut taxes in a boom economy, unless you have a balance budget. You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts. Those are Republican policies. If you're not going to be the world's policeman, you don't need the biggest, most expensive army in the world. War is expensive, and putting it on the credit care is worse.

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class. Republicans are taxing the middle class to pay for earned income credits for poor workers employed by the richest companies in America. Everything since Reagan has been put on the government's credit card for your children to pay for it. Young people are mad as hell. You lived the good life, they have to pay for it.

You don't give the middle class disappearing tax cuts, and give the wealthy permanent tax cuts.

The Dems are free to write a bill to make the middle class cuts permanent.
Why haven't they?

Democrats tax the shit out of the RICH, not the middle class.

When is the last time the Dems cut middle class taxes?

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut since Reagan.

I don't believe you.
Show me the cut he gave.

American Taxpayer Relief Act Of 2012

Thanks for the link.

Now explain the previous rates and the rates after his huge middle class tax cut.

Feel free to cut and paste from your link......if you think it will help your claim.