Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Toddsterpatriot]

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Bigly. Look it up yourself. This is not "new."

Can't blame that on fewer imports of Chinese goods.

Then why did you post about it? LOL

To highlight your error.

 

[Brain357]

It’s why they aren’t the biggest economy in the world. You want us to follow lesser economies?

You want us to follow lesser economies?

I want them to cut tariffs on our goods.

As do I. But shooting a hole in our boat doesn’t help that.

And if shooting another hole in their boat, by reducing our imports, gets them to cut tariffs...……..?

So far it has slowed manufacturing and forced us to do a huge bailout for farmers.

So far it has slowed manufacturing

How much of the slowdown is due to tariffs and how much is due to a general slowdown, here and abroad?

How much of the slowdown here and abroad is from the tariffs?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

In the greatest economy ever?

The economic cycle hasn't been repealed, even after 8 years of Obama?

Trump said we are in the greatest economy ever. Is that wrong?

Of course that is wrong.
Better than Obama is not the same as greatest ever.

 

[Brain357]

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel.

Which should result in more US steel being used, not less.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel. See steel layoffs. Clearly you don’t understand economics.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel.

No question it has lowered total demand for steel, but has it increased US steel production?
I've never looked up those numbers, I don't trade steel stocks.

See steel layoffs.

Steel is cyclical.

Clearly you don’t understand economics.

Better than you, clearly.

No economists support tariffs, yet you do. You don’t understand economics.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want us to follow lesser economies?

I want them to cut tariffs on our goods.

As do I. But shooting a hole in our boat doesn’t help that.

And if shooting another hole in their boat, by reducing our imports, gets them to cut tariffs...……..?

So far it has slowed manufacturing and forced us to do a huge bailout for farmers.

So far it has slowed manufacturing

How much of the slowdown is due to tariffs and how much is due to a general slowdown, here and abroad?

How much of the slowdown here and abroad is from the tariffs?

What manufactured goods do we export that use a lot of Chinese steel?
Our biggest exports are airplanes, which use mostly aluminum.
It's possible Chinese steel in our exported autos and farm equipment makes them less affordable.

Tariffs have probably had a very small impact.

Europe is slowing just fine without our help.
And China was boned even before the outbreak.
Look out below!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel.

Which should result in more US steel being used, not less.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel. See steel layoffs. Clearly you don’t understand economics.

No it has led to a decline in manufacturing and lower demand for steel.

No question it has lowered total demand for steel, but has it increased US steel production?
I've never looked up those numbers, I don't trade steel stocks.

See steel layoffs.

Steel is cyclical.

Clearly you don’t understand economics.

Better than you, clearly.

No economists support tariffs, yet you do. You don’t understand economics.

I don't support tariffs, but I don't think tariffs on some Chinese imports is that big a deal.

5-digit End-Use Imports - China

Meh.

 

[Mac-7]

Ok, now you are losing so you get angry any call me names

And you ignore the question. Go figure. Losing is clearly you.

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

 

[Brain357]

And you ignore the question. Go figure. Losing is clearly you.

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

You want even bigger farmer bailouts? More steel layoffs? Even slower manufacturing?

 

[pknopp]

And you ignore the question. Go figure. Losing is clearly you.

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

 

[Mac-7]

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

 

[Mac-7]

I asked you a simple question and you ran away

but I’ll repeat if in case you forgot

how is trump tariffs on imported chinese steel to blame for steel layoffs in the US?

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Ok

china lures companies to china with slave labor wages and no environmental control costs

 

[Mac-7]

Tariffs never work.

Is that why almost every country in the world has higher tariffs than we do?

They also address the businesses that move offshore. We refuse to.

Tariffs address offshoring? We refuse to address offshoring?

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Higher taxes on us will show them. That has never worked...

It costs china also

otherwise they would simply laugh at the tariffs

 

[Brain357]

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

 

[Mac-7]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Bigly. Look it up yourself. This is not "new."

No

if you make the claim YOU document it

 

[Brain357]

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Ok

china lures companies to china with slave labor wages and no environmental control costs

We have tons of wealth and low unemployment. Why are you complaining?

 

[Mac-7]

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

 

[Brain357]

They also address the businesses that move offshore. We refuse to.

Tariffs address offshoring? We refuse to address offshoring?

It can IF properly done with other measures also. We have not done that.

Offshoring is an issue that we need stronger measures against

if GM closes an auto plant in America and builds the car in china we need to slap a big tariff on that car

Higher taxes on us will show them. That has never worked...

It costs china also

otherwise they would simply laugh at the tariffs

Yes both sides are hurt. There is no winning.

 

[pknopp]

Why? Because steel plants refused to update their old equipment. That costs money. It's the same kind of thinking that lead Boeing to put profits over safety.

Updating the old technology would have caused a hit on their returns so they refused to do it. Now they are paying for that.

Meaning you think the layoffs were baked into the cake before trump came along

They were but Trump is a perfect example of the problem overall. It's not just Trump though.

Trump wants to blame "China" for our greed. It's not China's fault. Besides, is this not how free market capitalism is supposed to work? If I own a business and I want to move it to China, that's the way it is supposed to work is it not?

China is exploiting our short-sighted trade policies

and trump is trying to reverse those policies

but he’s having to drag liberals and never trumpers along screaming and kicking

we could do more if everyone wantedto

No China is not doing it. We are. They forced no one to move there. We did nothing about those who did.

Ok

china lures companies to china with slave labor wages and no environmental control costs

Free Enterprise. No? Why aren't so many companies from Germany going there? They don't get tax breaks?

 

[Brain357]

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

You need to learn economics. Steel tariffs mean our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. That makes our manufacturing less competitive and we see that with the decline in manufacturing. A decline in manufacturing means the demand for steel goes down which leads to steel layoffs. Again try to read slowly.

Steel tariffs do not make American products less competitive

American workers are competing with low wage and or slave labor in china

and with the low costs of nonexistent chinese environmental costs

we need tariffs on chinese products because Americans cannot and should not have to work for $1 an hour

How can you say that knowing manufacturing is down after the tariffs and steel has huge layoffs? You speak nonsense.

Because there is no evidence that manufacturing is down thanks to tariffs

Well they sure didn’t increase manufacturing as promised. Haha

 

[Mac-7]

The question was answered. Love how you wait 3 seconds and claim somebody ran away.

All you did was hurl the first taking point you remembered without specifically tying the steel layoffs to tariffs

Read it more slowly this time:

Tariffs hurt manufacturing. We are less competitive when our manufacturing is forced to use more expensive steel. Sales go down. Demand for steel goes down. Tariffs have done this many times. Learn from history.

You couldnt be more wrong

we are not exporting steel products to china

they are exporting raw steel and products made from steel to the US

tariffs hurt chinese exports and help American manufacturing

Then why are American steel producers still laying people off?

Manufacturing is slowing?

Sez libs

but they have failed to document it