Do you not demonize them 24/7, just like the Nazis demonized the Jews?
- As convenient as it sound to advocate your cause and case(as a pro-Palestinian) by simply showing a picture of Netanyahu with horns and sharp fangs soak with blood - it sure does the job of influencing no doubt about it, But this doesn't belong to democracy and neither to Jews, it belongs to a totalitarian/dictatorship regime, here in Israel the government doesn't have to influence the opinion of the people so radically, more then that everyone can state their own free opinion, and there is a freedom of information to all, sadly the situation in Gaza and also in the WB thankfully to the Arab Media mostly, is different, they demonize Israel to incite mob violence and gain more support from "their" people, under the risk of being revolted due to the stupid stubbornness of continuing to -call it retaliate- I call it stupidity, and the only people who suffer from that are the Palestinians, so it circles around and they get more power and popularity, this is the difference, I can elaborate but I believe you understand what I'm talking about.
I understand what you are talking about, has nothing to do with what I was talking about. What about comments from
Roudy, Lipbush, proudveteran, Sally, Hollie, rhodescolar, Horsefly, Sweet Caroline, etc. Are you saying they don't demonize the Palestinian's 24/7? Aside from
Lipbush, show me one post by any of the others that doesn't.
Except me and Lipush I don't think they are Israelis, but this is not even the point, you are talking about 'demonizing' but you didn't show one example or any type of evidence for that, what do you expect me to say? I told ya its a general answer to the question.
Anyway because we are probably talking about two different things, I would like you to explain how do we demonize the Palestinians, or at least how did I demonized the Palestinians?
Do you not treat them like they are sub-human, just like the Nazis treated the Jews?
They are not being treated like sub-humans or any other humans, they are simply not allowed to enter Israel, and they were also isolated from Israel in the past, why considering them Israelis? they even don't call themselves Israelis.
This is a result of demonizing, matter of fact Palestinians live better in Israel than in anywhere else around us.
Minorities also enjoy rights that doesn't exist in Switzerland or the US or any other place in the world.
Straight to the question, each one of these baits a long debate/discussion but I tried to sum it to the satisfying answer.
They are simply not allowed to leave Gaza and are denied basic human rights the rest of the world enjoys and you see nothing wrong with that? By denying them basic human rights, that's treating them like they are sub-human.
They are also enjoying medical care from Israel, inside of Israel, how do we treat them as sub-humans?
which basic human-rights we deny from them? be specific.
They can leave Gaza anywhere they want, the same as people can visit Gaza anytime they want, they can't go to Israel, and its Egypt you should blame for Rafah checkpoint.
Do you not blame them for all the problems in the country, just like the Nazis blamed the Jews?
I [Personally] already stated my policy about blaming the other, we don't blame them for all of the problems in our state, not for sucking blood, not for kidnapping kids, not for plotting to kill us, not for squeezing the life from the southerns and not for claiming(and owning) our[Jewish] most religiously sacred sites - they do indeed own a big chunk in the security and related topics that also considered a problem, but we don't even blame them for that.
Definitely not like the Nazis blamed the Jews.
You blame them for the "majority" of the problems in Israel. You haven't blamed them for your large un-employment problem you're having. Not yet, anyway. But you do blame them for all the violence between Israel and Gaza. Not once, have you ever stepped up and taken ownership over the missiles you deliberately launch at them on a weekly basis, truce or no truce.
No Billo, we don't blame them for the "majority" of the problems in Israel, I think I was very specific what we blame them for, and it doesn't involve even indirectly the Palestinians for un-employment problem, we blame them for electing Hamas - true, we blame Hamas for the escalation of violence in Gaza - true, that's it, and this is not our only problems, not even by the only military problems, I think you were VERY specific claiming that we blame them for ALL the problems in our country, I explained to you precisely why not, you just repeat what you think based on your feeling but not on reality ground, what do you want me to say? did I blame them for anything except the escalation and violence in Gaza before? seriously I'm waiting for you to point it out because I don't think its fair you keep accusing me for things I didn't do, and not even providing any proof.
Do you not accept any kind of violence against them, just like Germans accepted the violence against the Jews?
I'm against violence, but when you have no choice you simply have to respond.
I Won't tolerate purposed attempts to kill me or anyone else in Israel, would you tolerate such things? we went through that, you'll try to find the reason why the do so, the answer exploding in our face every day, they want us dead, and to explain logically why or what and even trying to debate with mad violent people can only cause more violence, also because of the people from the side screaming "ISRAEL APARTHEID STOP PALESTINE HOLOCAUST" and what else, inciting them to continue their violent rampage.
This is the Israeli perspective about the subject, violence only breed hate, but when they already hate you, the violence is expected so I choose to stay alive and be hated for eternity if that's the option and I'm pretty sure you would agree with me.
The "Israeli perspective" is that of a coward. Someone so morally bankrupt, with no guts whatsoever, to ask themselves the "hard" questions as to what "they" (the Israeli's) have done to help create the situation they're in. You never deal with what "you" are doing wrong. You always blame "them" (the Pals), for the things you do.
Honestly Billo this is a complete bullshit and lame answer, you dodge the subject, and this is a coward's perspective, I never ask you to either like us or say something on this matter, but you decisively claim we are irresponsible and again - blaming them Palestinians - on everything, fine I don't care what you think, but what is that have to do with the question and the Nazis comparison again?
stop demonizing, stop tell me what I think.
Are you not trying to cleanse them from the area, just like the Nazis tried to do with the Jews?
The only one being 'cleansed' from Gaza for example, were Jews - but the rockets continued, so we placed a blockade, divide and conquer, do you really think that Israel is sending a loaded train full of Palestinians to gas chamber? ever since the establishment of Israel, the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs population growth show the other way around, we are multiplying them genetically.
The common argue about "cleanse" is wrong, there is not race, gender, opinion, or any other aspect that Israel "cleansing ethnically" as they claim, only a protection of the Israeli borders as legitimate action to protect the population, just like anywhere else in the civilized world.
Tell that to the Bedouins.
The Bedouins have their own battalion in the IDF, they are an ethnic group that refuse to own a state, what the hell are you talking about? one of my best friends in the IDF is a Bedouin, do you think you can forgive us if he did?
I think you should stop demonizing, and telling everyone what we - the Israelis - do, or at least 'think' or say, because I believe we are pretty capable of expressing ourselves very well,.