Except me and Lipush I don't think they are Israelis, but this is not even the point, you are talking about 'demonizing' but you didn't show one example or any type of evidence for that, what do you expect me to say? I told ya its a general answer to the question.
Anyway because we are probably talking about two different things, I would like you to explain how do we demonize the Palestinians, or at least how did I demonized the Palestinians?
Oh, stop it! Stop being so obtuse! Just look at all the pro-Israeli crowd posts at this website that has to do with the Palestinian's. I haven't seen one of them that side with the Pals on any issue. Nor do I see any that empathize with what they are going through. On the contrary, all the posts try to justify wiping them out, or defend bombing the shit out of them, or denying atrocities committed by Israel.
A Palestinian teen is murdered on video and all you fuckers say is that the film was faked. It was Pallywood. When innocent Palestinian's are murdered by the IDF, your reactions are not outrage, its contempt and disdain towards those who went public about the incident.
I Do not have to apologize on behalf of the others expressing themselves, and it is only your opinion so far, if you want to discuss about things I said - very well - if not just stop attaching me every title that fits your agenda.
If you wish to talk about peace and possible solutions, I believe you can feel free to bump up the threads I opened about Peace (twice I think) and the Raved Family Forum, your presence was MISSING.
I'm proud to be pro-Israeli and you bend your nose because I'm expressing my own opinion, is this a democratic-perspective Billo? Do YOU ever considered that you might be wrong? eg about the kidnapping?
However, if you want to discuss or debate about certain specific issue, feel free, I'm always open for talking, but the fact you are calling me obtuse for expressing my own opinion is wrong Billo, you don't have to like my opinion pretty much as I hate your logic and perspective.
They are also enjoying medical care from Israel, inside of Israel, how do we treat them as sub-humans? which basic human-rights we deny from them? be specific.
They can leave Gaza anywhere they want, the same as people can visit Gaza anytime they want, they can't go to Israel, and its Egypt you should blame for Rafah checkpoint.
They can't leave Gaza!
****, they can't even fish, without getting shot at!
toasty Already responded to that, and so did I, they are free to leave Gaza, free to fish, free to elect a government that their only purpose is to annihilate us, we are free to do the same aren't we? and again, you relay your accusations on text someone published, not an audio or video, even when I relate to that you toss away a raw fact I base my claim that disprove the entire "evidence" eg. Armored Jeeps.
So I don't really know where you wanna go with this, so far you blame us [me] for demonizing the other side like the Nazis, do you really believe to a random text published like the one Beezlebub published recently claiming there are 5,100,000 dead Palestinians - comon get real, I don't even ask for apology or admitting publicly that you were wrong, but I only request some small value of honesty.
No Billo, we don't blame them for the "majority" of the problems in Israel, I think I was very specific what we blame them for, and it doesn't involve even indirectly the Palestinians for un-employment problem, we blame them for electing Hamas - true, we blame Hamas for the escalation of violence in Gaza - true, that's it, and this is not our only problems, not even by the only military problems, I think you were VERY specific claiming that we blame them for ALL the problems in our country, I explained to you precisely why not, you just repeat what you think based on your feeling but not on reality ground, what do you want me to say? did I blame them for anything except the escalation and violence in Gaza before? seriously I'm waiting for you to point it out because I don't think its fair you keep accusing me for things I didn't do, and not even providing any proof.
Why would you blame them for electing Hamas? Who they choose as their leaders, is none of your god-damn business! And you do blame them for 100% of the violence. So cut the crap!
If Hamas was trying to negotiate with Israel instead of hitting the rock, there was no blockade at all, I don't blame them for electing Hamas, it is their own free will I'm not gonna argue with that, but I do hold them accountable for Hamas actions because everything has a consequences, I could care less if they were electing IS as long as they intend to preserve the peace - so be it.
Silence would be answered by silence this is what Bibi said, and this is what is the majority here in Israel believe so, ask Lipush about it if you don't take my word, and feel free to ask anyone else.
Honestly Billo this is a complete bullshit and lame answer, you dodge the subject, and this is a coward's perspective, I never ask you to either like us or say something on this matter, but you decisively claim we are irresponsible and again - blaming them Palestinians - on everything, fine I don't care what you think, but what is that have to do with the question and the Nazis comparison again? stop demonizing, stop tell me what I think.
It's not bullshit at all. Saying you have
"no choice but to respond", is the comment of a coward. Because you won't ask yourself,
"Why don't I have any choice but to respond?" Which leads to the rockets, but you won't ask yourself,
"Why am I getting rockets?" and the answer to THAT, your country is too ***** to deal with. Which is the "occupation" itself. The occupation is the cause of the violence. The blockade is the cause of the violence. But you're too big of a coward, to put yourself in their shoes and think about how you would handle things if your country was occupied by a foreign force. Or if your country was quarantined to the point where you barely received the basic necessities to live. But you won't do that. You won't put yourself in their position, because you refuse to empathize with what they are going through. What you do instead, is make up these bullshit lies about them being terrorists.
Billo, if waiting for the rockets to kill another 4 years old kid is considered a bravery then fine I want to be a coward, and now you really pissed me off, so far the Palestinians broke so many agreements I already lost the count, but you don't consider this as a betrayal from the Palestinians so of course you can think to yourself "hey why aren't they asking themselves why it happens?! I guess they only need excuses to attack Gaza" - WRONG WRONG AND WRONG.
Here I'm gonna repeat what I said before you probably haven't experienced any kind of violence beyond a mosquito bite but try to get it a little proportional, when someone launch rockets at you, not once, but countless times you don't ask yourself "why they are doing so" because beyond the fact its obvious that they are violent scums and I'm sorry for not surrendering to violence or terrorism, but beyond that you believe its obvious they want you DEAD, you hear me Billo? DEAD, not two state solution, not a diplomatic solution, not a peaceful truce, not a peace-treaty, not a ceasefire, but DEAD AND HUMILIATED.
After launching 10,000 rockets - if its not obvious that they cannot achieve with violence the "peace" they want what the hell do you expect? they "retaliate" for every attack, fine - any good came out of it except for some dead innocents and damage to property?! NO so why keep launching rockets? Because THIS IS SERVING THEIR GOAL - KILL ISRAELIS, and I blasting in your face but you cannot see that, so perhaps you can finally answer to me what good came from launching those rockets in the first place? and don't tell me its a response out of anger, they did so during ceasefires countless times, and even if you want to debate about it, I'm gonna ask you this, do you really expect a rational leadership to "retaliate" like that? did Mexico retaliate? did Japan retaliate? did Iraq retaliate? I bet you also believe they are not the very rational people on earth but they still have a common sense do they?
The Bedouins have their own battalion in the IDF, they are an ethnic group that refuse to own a state, what the hell are you talking about? one of my best friends in the IDF is a Bedouin, do you think you can forgive us if he did?
Oh please, you're relocating about 70,000 of them out into a tent city in the Negav desert just so you can have a park to walk your dog.
Actually the Bedouin is a strange subject, I'm not gonna respond to that HERE but I'm gonna ask you to open a thread and we can discuss that separately.
I think you should stop demonizing, and telling everyone what we - the Israelis - do, or at least 'think' or say, because I believe we are pretty capable of expressing ourselves very well,.
When your expressions are truthful, instead of bullshit lies, I'll stop talking about them.
Is that the best you can do? calling my expressions a "bullshit lies"? this is not a way to discuss nor to debate, I'm talking on my behalf and you call me a liar, you also pretend to say what I think, how is this going to a conversation if I'm not allowed to think for myself Billo?
