Do European Leaders Want the Russia/Ukraine War to Continue, in Order to Weaken Russia?

[Seymour Flops]

At 4:00:



Marco Rubio says at least one of the foreign ministers does.

(The plan is) "the war goes on for another year, and at that point, Russia is so weakened that it will beg for peace."

I've seen similar statements by people on this forum purporting to be American Democrats.

If that is the plan, and it the actions of Zelenskyy and the European "allies" make more sense if it is, then the U.S. really has no part to play.

Other than being Europe's Sugar Daddy, paying for that plan, which is not in the U.S. interests.

It is past time to stop stressing out over Ukraine. We have tried our best to help them, and our help has been openly refused. Time to let Europe mind Europe's business, and we can focus on helping Latin America free itself from the bonds of narco-gangsters and socialist despots.

 

[Litwin]

At 4:00:



Marco Rubio says at least one of the foreign ministers does.

(The plan is) "the war goes on for another year, and at that point, Russia is so weakened that it will beg for peace."

I've seen similar statements by people on this forum purporting to be American Democrats.

If that is the plan, and it the actions of Zelenskyy and the European "allies" make more sense if it is, then the U.S. really has no part to play.

Other than being Europe's Sugar Daddy, paying for that plan, which is not in the U.S. interests.

It is past time to stop stressing out over Ukraine. We have tried our best to help them, and our help has been openly refused. Time to let Europe mind Europe's business, and we can focus on helping Latin America free itself from the bonds of narco-gangsters and socialist despots.

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Do European Leaders Want the Russia/Ukraine War to Continue, in Order to Weaken Moscow empire ? "​

IT´s RT crap

the reality :

As U.S. and putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say​

Intelligence suggests khan Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

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Do European Leaders Want the Russia/Ukraine War to Continue, in Order to Weaken Moscow empire ?​

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ITS RT crap

the reality :

As U.S. and putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say​

Intelligence suggests khan Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

Intelligence suggests Russian President Vladimir Putin is going through the motions and still thinks he can eventually control all of Ukraine, the sources told NBC News.

www.nbcnews.com

Obviously, Putin wants to control all of Ukraine.

Question is what does Europe want?

 

[Litwin]

Obviously, Putin wants to control all of Ukraine.

Question is what does Europe want?

decolonization of Moscow empire, this is the only way to stop Mongol - Moscow imperialistic Jihadism

Thread 'From Berlin to Moscow With Love: Ukraine Is About To Hang Germany’s Best Cruise Missiles On Its Old Soviet Bombers'

Mar 2, 2025

These would be helpful against the Mongoloid - Moscow invaders! Friedrich Merz knows the drill !

Try the kamaz factory and some ships (including empty tankers) . Maybe a few more refineries, and the cooperative ozero of ´cos

Ukraine Is About To Hang German Missiles On Its Old Soviet Bombers

German Taurus missiles could arm Ukrainian Sukhoi Su-24s for deep strikes on Russian targets.

www.forbes.com

• Litwin
• Replies: 2
• Forum: Europe

 

[Litwin]

Obviously, Putin wants to control all of Ukraine.

Question is what does Europe want?

 

[Seymour Flops]

decolonization of Moscow empire, this is the only way to stop Mongol - Moscow imperialistic Jihadism

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Thread 'From Berlin to Moscow With Love: Ukraine Is About To Hang Germany’s Best Cruise Missiles On Its Old Soviet Bombers'

Mar 2, 2025

These would be helpful against the Mongoloid - Moscow invaders! Friedrich Merz knows the drill !

Try the kamaz factory and some ships (including empty tankers) . Maybe a few more refineries, and the cooperative ozero of ´cos

Ukraine Is About To Hang German Missiles On Its Old Soviet Bombers

German Taurus missiles could arm Ukrainian Sukhoi Su-24s for deep strikes on Russian targets.

www.forbes.com

• Litwin
• Replies: 2
• Forum: Europe

I wish them luck, then.

Just leave us out of it, this time. Twice was more than enough to save Europe from themselves.

 

[Kruska]

I wish them luck, then.

Just leave us out of it, this time. Twice was more than enough to save Europe from themselves.

The USA caused this debacle - NOT the EU

 

[Seymour Flops]

The USA caused this debacle - NOT the EU

How did the USA cause it?

Do you mean Biden by telling Ukraine that it could join join NATO if it decided to?

Biden assures Zelenskiy that NATO membership in Ukraine's hands, Kyiv says

U.S. President Joe Biden assured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy that Kyiv's bid to join the NATO military alliance was in its own hands, Zelenskiy's chief of staff said after the two leaders spoke on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Kruska]

How did the USA cause it?

Do you mean Biden by telling Ukraine that it could join join NATO if it decided to?

No - Bush was the one to agree to Ukraine accession to NATO in 2005 and 2008 (Budapest memorandum)
Go and read some books - instead of always posting MAGA & Left/Lib lies, Bull&crap.

 

[Litwin]

Just leave us out of it, this time.

American Isolationism is not new.
The good news: You will change your minds.
The bad news: millions of people will have to suffer first.

 

[Litwin]

Do you mean Biden by telling Ukraine that it could join join NATO if it decided to?

Its pure RT CRAP, you promote here Moscow propaganda , from now on , I call you propagandacondom

Know what a “propaganda-condom” is?

Some people are elastic with the truth. Learn the lingo of disinformation

www.economist.com

 

[alang1216]

Obviously, Putin wants to control all of Ukraine.

Question is what does Europe want?

They fear an aggressive Russian imperialist on their door step. That is also in the US interest. If helping Ukraine weakens Russia it is money well spent.

 

[Seymour Flops]

No - Bush was the one to agree to Ukraine accession to NATO in 2005 and 2008 (Budapest memorandum)
Go and read some books - instead of always posting MAGA & Left/Lib lies, Bull&crap.

Bush is gone. Ukraine never joined NATO, and you provide no link to your claim.

 

[Litwin]

Bush is gone. Ukraine never joined NATO, and you provide no link to your claim.

Ukraine should be a nuclear powerhouse again, when US gives Ukrainians (and Belarusians as well ) back stolen NUKES ?

Budapest Memorandum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kruska]

Bush is gone. Ukraine never joined NATO, and you provide no link to your claim.

YOU blamed Biden - whilst factually it was BUSH.
Open google etc. and enter 2008 Budapest memorandum

Why is it that MAGA's & Lefty/Libs only post Lies, Bull&Crap, naturally without any sources given, since there are NO sources to support their Lies, Bull&Crap, but then always ask others to provide a link.

 

[Litwin]

whilst factually it was BUSH.

yes, Bush family is well-known Moscow empire´s appeasers.

Thread 'George H. W. Bush´s Chicken Kiev speech (written by Condoleezza Rice), ONLY 145 days BEFORE Bolshevik empire´s collapse'

Nov 24, 2024

my question is why ? non of you would ever colonial colonial rule of dirty Mongoloid, imperialistic, rapists , so why did George H. W. Bush want us , The White East Europeans to accept the Asiatic Mongol , semi - commie slavery ?

The Chicken Kiev speech is the nickname for a speech given by the United States president George H. W. Bush in Kyiv, Ukraine, on August 1, 1991, three weeks before the Declaration of Independence of Ukraine and four months before the December independence referendum in which 92.26% of Ukrainians voted to withdraw from the Soviet EMPIRE...

• Litwin
• bush chicken kiev speech condoleezza rice william safire
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• Forum: History

 

[Seymour Flops]

YOU blamed Biden - whilst factually it was BUSH.
Open google etc. and enter 2008 Budapest memorandum

Why is it that MAGA's only post Lies, Bull&Crap, naturally without any sources given, since there are NO sources to support their Lies, Bull&Crap, but then always ask others to provide a link.

I’ll read anything you take the time to post. If you can’t be bothered to post it, why should I read it?

 

[Kruska]

I’ll read anything you take the time to post. If you can’t be bothered to post it, why should I read it?

If you would be really interested - you can open e.g. google - simply write 2008 Budapest Memorandum - press enter
And then start reading about it by yourself.

 

[Seymour Flops]

If you would be really interested - you can open e.g. google - simply write 2008 Budapest Memorandum - press enter
And then start reading about it by yourself.

No, because then you’d say I didn’t find the right thing and try again.

This is not my first time on a message board. Just post your proof if it exists.

 

[Kruska]

No, because then you’d say I didn’t find the right thing and try again.

This is not my first time on a message board. Just post your proof if it exists.

So YOU believe, that the NATO 2008 Budapest Summit doesn't exist?