Do Atheists Have a Moral Code?

[Meriweather]

With atheism, it is closely related to Communism. The atheists here may as well be Commies. We can't trust them.

Communism is a political leaning. People with no belief in God are often adamantly against Communism as a political policy.

 

[james bond]

This is why some atheists aren't worth responding to. They're the most trivial and you know the B word.

"Weak atheism, also sometimes referred to as implicit atheism, is simply another name for the broadest and most general conception of atheism: the absence of belief in any gods. A weak atheist is someone who lacks theism and who does not happen to believe in the existence of any gods — no more, no less. This is also sometimes called agnostic atheism because most people who self-consciously lack belief in gods tend to do so for agnostic reasons."

What's the Difference Between Strong and Weak Atheism?

From "lacking belief" to "denying the existence of god or gods, atheism varies in extremity from strong atheism to weak atheism.

www.learnreligions.com

 

[james bond]

Some coins had the imprint during the Civil War, and that was because of the upswing of religious sentiment during the Civil War (both sides). It was added to paper money is the 1950s.

"The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War."

Ta-daa.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not mine, in the Bible. Romans 2:15

I don't care what a book of iron age mythology says. You are the one who chose to believe it and parrot it. So yes, your words, Shaman Sue.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your lack of faith is wholly unimpressive.

Ah yes, your mental handicap, in a nutshell.

What is NOT impressive or virtuous is childish belief without evidence. Faith is not virtuous. Faith is not something that deserves respect. Faith is an artifact of our own ignorance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It was added to paper money is the 1950s.

Indeed! Know why?

Because the white patriarchs were sensing the beginning of a sea change in this country. Women's rights, minority rights, sexual freedom, jungle music, etc. They found this to be the work of Satan and thought "spirituality" (they liked to use that term, but they meant Protestant Christianity really) was the only thing to save this country from the rise of Satan.

Gross. And true.

 

[james bond]

Communism is a political leaning. People with no belief in God are often adamantly against Communism as a political policy.

Sure, but many in the US do not trust communists as atheism led to communism.

'Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."'

We also had Darwinism, social Darwinism, and eugenics which led to the holocaust. Today's basis for modern atheism started with two atheists who wanted deliberately to go against Christianity and formed uniformitarianism. The led to Darwin coming out with his Origin of Species book. They did well in teaching young Charles Darwin his values and no morals (see below).

If you want to discuss origins of atheism, then ask a strong atheist. I'm on the other side, strong believer that they do not have a moral code despite saying they do. All humans state they have morals, but they can't all be telling the truth as we have immoral and criminal behavior.

I refer the atheists have "no morals" to:

'Apart from biblical creation, morality has no justification. Christian philosopher Dr. Greg Bahnsen (1948–95) states, “What does the unbeliever [person who rejects the biblical God] mean by ‘good,’ or by what standard does the unbeliever determine what counts as ‘good’ (so that ‘evil’ is accordingly defined or identified)? What are the presuppositions in terms of which the unbeliever makes any moral judgments whatsoever?” Although unbelievers may classify actions as good or evil, they do not have an ultimate foundation for defining what is good and evil.


In fact, many evolutionists are quite clear that evolution does not provide a basis for morality. William Provine, evolutionist and biology professor at Cornell University, states in referring to the implications of Darwinism, “No ultimate foundations for ethics exist, no ultimate meaning in life exists, and free will is merely a human myth.” Thus, if evolution is true, then there can be no universal moral code that all people should adhere to.

If human beings are merely the inevitable result of the laws of physics and chemistry acting over time, then how can people have any genuine choice in what they do? If the decisions people make are simply the deterministic outworking of electrochemical reactions in a brain—which is itself allegedly the mindless outworking of billions of random chance copying errors in our DNA—then how would it make sense to hold people responsible for their “decisions”?'

Do Atheists Have a Foundation for Morality?

I recently had an exchange on Facebook with an atheist who responded to the question of morality in an evolutionary worldview. He stated, Morality is NOT a

answersingenesis.org

 

[james bond]

Communism is a political leaning. People with no belief in God are often adamantly against Communism as a political policy.

Sure, but many in the US do not trust communists as atheism led to communism.

'Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."'

BTW, aren't you Catholic? Did they say Communism is a religion made for atheists?

"It seems to have become fashionable again to believe that communism, of all things, is the answer to all of man’s woes.

It is also common, in these circles, to insist that the excessive evils perpetrated by atheists in the 20th century was not caused by “true communists.” This is stale, rehashed and warmed-over “No True Scotsman” fallacy. (Argumentum ad nullum Caledonium verum)

But if pseudo-proto-communism is as deadly as it’s proven to be, I’d truly hate to see what “real communism” could muster. Thus far, communist atheists have killed 152.5 million people in a vain, constant hope of producing an atheistic utopia. Good intentions might pave the Road to Perdition but dead bodies line the Path to Atheist “Utopia.”

Why is communism atheistic? Where shall I begin? At the beginning or perhaps merely this year? Consider:"

Communism is a Religion Made for Atheists

The horrors perpetrated upon humanity by atheists are unparalleled.

www.ncregister.com

If you want to discuss origins of atheism, then ask a strong atheist. I'm on the other side, strong believer that they do not have a moral code despite saying they do. All humans state they have morals, but they can't all be telling the truth as we have immoral and criminal behavior.

I referred it to

'Apart from biblical creation, morality has no justification. Christian philosopher Dr. Greg Bahnsen (1948–95) states, “What does the unbeliever [person who rejects the biblical God] mean by ‘good,’ or by what standard does the unbeliever determine what counts as ‘good’ (so that ‘evil’ is accordingly defined or identified)? What are the presuppositions in terms of which the unbeliever makes any moral judgments whatsoever?” Although unbelievers may classify actions as good or evil, they do not have an ultimate foundation for defining what is good and evil.

In fact, many evolutionists are quite clear that evolution does not provide a basis for morality. William Provine, evolutionist and biology professor at Cornell University, states in referring to the implications of Darwinism, “No ultimate foundations for ethics exist, no ultimate meaning in life exists, and free will is merely a human myth.” Thus, if evolution is true, then there can be no universal moral code that all people should adhere to.

If human beings are merely the inevitable result of the laws of physics and chemistry acting over time, then how can people have any genuine choice in what they do? If the decisions people make are simply the deterministic outworking of electrochemical reactions in a brain—which is itself allegedly the mindless outworking of billions of random chance copying errors in our DNA—then how would it make sense to hold people responsible for their “decisions”?'

ETA: Sorry for some of the duplicate postings.

 

[james bond]

Indeed! Know why?

Because the white patriarchs were sensing the beginning of a sea change in this country. Women's rights, minority rights, sexual freedom, jungle music, etc. They found this to be the work of Satan and thought "spirituality" (they liked to use that term, but they meant Protestant Christianity really) was the only thing to save this country from the rise of Satan.

Gross. And true.

Were you living then? Have a link?

I had to look it up, but it was POTUS Dwight D. Eisenhower back then.

"Dwight D. Eisenhower's tenure as the 34th president of the United States began on his inauguration on January 20, 1953, and ended on January 20, 1961. Eisenhower, a Republican, took office as president following his victory over Democrat Adlai Stevenson in the 1952 presidential election. John F. Kennedy succeeded him after winning the 1960 presidential election.

Eisenhower held office during the Cold War, a period of geopolitical tension between the United States and the Soviet Union. Eisenhower's New Look policy stressed the importance of nuclear weapons as a deterrent to military threats, and the United States built up a stockpile of nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons delivery systems during Eisenhower's presidency. Soon after taking office, Eisenhower negotiated an end to the Korean War, resulting in the partition of Korea. Following the Suez Crisis, Eisenhower promulgated the Eisenhower Doctrine, strengthening U.S. commitments in the Middle East. In response to the Cuban Revolution, the Eisenhower administration broke ties with Cuba and began preparations for an invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles, eventually resulting in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion. Eisenhower also allowed the Central Intelligence Agency to engage in covert actions, such as the 1953 Iranian coup d'état and the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état.

In domestic affairs, Eisenhower supported a policy of "modern Republicanism" that occupied a middle ground between liberal Democrats and the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Eisenhower continued New Deal programs, expanded Social Security, and prioritized a balanced budget over tax cuts. He played a major role in establishing the Interstate Highway System, a massive infrastructure project consisting of tens of thousands of miles of divided highways. After the launch of Sputnik 1, Eisenhower signed the National Defense Education Act and presided over the creation of NASA. Though he did not embrace the Supreme Court's landmark desegregation ruling in the 1954 case of Brown v. Board of Education, Eisenhower enforced the Court's holding and signed the first significant civil rights bill since the end of Reconstruction.

Eisenhower won the 1956 presidential election in a landslide and maintained positive approval ratings throughout his tenure, but the launch of Sputnik 1 and a poor economy contributed to Republican losses in the 1958 elections. In the 1960 presidential election, Vice President Richard Nixon lost by a narrow margin to Kennedy. Eisenhower left office popular with the public but viewed by many commentators as a "do-nothing" president. His reputation improved after the release of his private papers in the 1970s. Polls of historians and political scientists rank Eisenhower in the top quartile of presidents."

Presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hollie]

I learned it was advocated by the majority during the Civil War. You may have a point about Christianity, but no question it was referring to Christianity. I hadn't heard it had anything to do with leadership at the time, but did it have to do with the split between the North and South?

With atheism, it is closely related to Communism. The atheists here may as well be Commies. We can't trust them.

"The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War."

Ta-daa.

As usual, you post ignorant pabulum.

Both the motto "In God We Trust" and the words "one nation, under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance were 20th century additions. While "In God We Trust" was commissioned by Lincoln to be placed on our coins as a way to unite the nation during a bloody and vicious Civil War, it was never intended to replace our national motto. Our original (correct) motto was, "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many Comes One), but the Eisenhower administration in the 1950's, trying to make greater the gulf between the Americans and the Communists, enacted a law to change the motto and add the clause regarding God into the Pledge of Allegiance our money.

Communism is a political ideology. Atheism is not and has nothing to do with communism / Marxism.

Hyper-religious kooks believe that ignorance is a virtue.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I don't see where any atheist has provided a primary foundation for moral code.

So...what is the primary foundation for moral code that dictates proper man-to-man /government-to-man relations?

There has to be some primary foundation for moral code which dictates the 'proper' in proper human relations.

What is it?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Actually, never mind. Don't even bother responding to my question.

I'm not interested in this discussion. Not on this board anyway.

Proceed....

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I don't see where any atheist has provided a primary foundation for moral code.

Then you can't read very well. Maybe re-read the thread. Several timers, secular ideas that are far superior to any iron age religious horseshit and which are foundations for morality have been mentioned.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm not interested in this discussion.

And why would you be? Your morality was decided by iron age mythology written thousands of years ago. Right?

 

[Meriweather]

ETA: Sorry for some of the duplicate postings.

No problem. My point is that not all atheists are communists. That's plain fact. What I don't know is, Are all communists atheists? Even if they are, that still does not make all atheists communists. It's not a two-way street.

 

[james bond]

As usual, you post ignorant pabulum.

Both the motto "In God We Trust" and the words "one nation, under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance were 20th century additions. While "In God We Trust" was commissioned by Lincoln to be placed on our coins as a way to unite the nation during a bloody and vicious Civil War, it was never intended to replace our national motto. Our original (correct) motto was, "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many Comes One), but the Eisenhower administration in the 1950's, trying to make greater the gulf between the Americans and the Communists, enacted a law to change the motto and add the clause regarding God into the Pledge of Allegiance our money.

Communism is a political ideology. Atheism is not and has nothing to do with communism / Marxism.

Hyper-religious kooks believe that ignorance is a virtue.

Good you're taking an interest in history , but it's not ignorant pablum. You're right about the $10 bill as our coins and currency changed since back then.

"IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin.

Another Act of Congress passed on March 3, 1865. It allowed the Mint Director, with the Secretary's approval, to place the motto on all gold and silver coins that "shall admit the inscription thereon." Under the Act, the motto was placed on the gold double-eagle coin, the gold eagle coin, and the gold half-eagle coin. It was also placed on the silver dollar coin, the half-dollar coin and the quarter-dollar coin, and on the nickel three-cent coin beginning in 1866. Later, Congress passed the Coinage Act of February 12, 1873. It also said that the Secretary "may cause the motto IN GOD WE TRUST to be inscribed on such coins as shall admit of such motto."

The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908."

The above shows to everyone that we are one nation under God and whom we place our trust. Even atheists are included in that. Has any of it changed?

 

[james bond]

No problem. My point is that not all atheists are communists. That's plain fact. What I don't know is, Are all communists atheists? Even if they are, that still does not make all atheists communists. It's not a two-way street.

I agree not all atheists are communists such as Buddhists, but still think Karl Marx was right, "Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset (Owen) with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."

He and the Russian leaders were all atheist and were influenced by it.

I agree it's not a two-way street so not much worry about communism, but even if it's an abstract idea:

"The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." Psalms 14:1

To me, that gets to heart of this thread. We don't usually think modern atheism nor Buddhism will affect us politically or negatively in abstract ways, but what does the above mean?

 

[james bond]

Then you can't read very well. Maybe re-read the thread. Several timers, secular ideas that are far superior to any iron age religious horseshit and which are foundations for morality have been mentioned.

We can read Quora, but you can't believe and trust what they say. Who wants to get stabbed in the back, get run over, or worse when the end happens? However, the believers will be saved from the atheists/ags' behavior at the end. We don't have to discern which of our friends or acquaintances are atheist, but we can take a hint.

 

[james bond]

It was first proposed in the 1830s. In the early 1900s it was added to a few coins. But the words "In God We Trust" was not added to paper money until 1957.

So, what does it mean to atheists? I doubt it means US money is not acceptable to them.

I think it used to be that that in the 50s to 70s (most recent?) people believed that God protected them, united them. loved them, and cared for them. However, it doesn't have the same affect anymore. For example, we don't see it expressed openly in our news and media.

 

[SweetSue92]

Ah yes, your mental handicap, in a nutshell.

What is NOT impressive or virtuous is childish belief without evidence. Faith is not virtuous. Faith is not something that deserves respect. Faith is an artifact of our own ignorance.

This made me laugh out loud.

Like theoretical physics, maybe? "Science".

You're funny FFI