The politicians you are defending don't.. They were offered a BIGGER DACA solution than they were asking for 2 or 3 times and wouldn't buy in because the offer was to fund more SECURITY at the border...
I'm in favor of DACA also... That's why I'm so PISSED at the Dems... They're USING the crisis to the disadvantage of finding ANY solutions...
Decriminalizing is not the same as open borders. It means illegals are deported not prosecuted.
You really believe what you just typed? Because it makes no sense.. When Castro and other Presidents says he wants to DECRIMINALIZE illegal entry, it means the UNSEEN HALF of the border crashers get in free with no THREAT of deportation, because they can't even be DETAINED, because they've committed no crime by crashing the border..
Presumably this also means that I can just shoot a bird at the Customs station at the Intl Airport when I arrive back home and go right to my car... If the number of APPREHENSIONS for this year is going past 1 million, than there's AT LEAST another million getting in scot free with no criminality when you "decriminalize illegal entry".. That and ABOLISHING ICE or DEFYING ICE which is FAR more popular than you admit, makes these proposals an "open border" policy....
Do I have to come up with 10 or 12 candidates of your tribe saying "no one is illegal"? Or maybe you can find ONE leading Democrat that even has the gonads to say the things that OBAMA said about controlling our border...
If you don't even CARE about child trafficking in the multiple THOUSANDS per year, I don't suspect you're genuinely concerned about the kids or the humanitarian implications of this crisis... Can't you just SAY that is wrong and we should work to STOP IT ?????
Child trafficking is wrong and we stop it.
Now how about you? If you really care cant you just say these policies are badly thought through and hugely abusive to children?
I care about it ALL... I care about the skeletons in desert that are common... I care that virtually nothing happens on the Mexican side of border without the Cartels being involved and making a profit.. I care that Honduras has a narco thug dictator as a leader who just stole an election.. We've arrested and indicted 2 members of that jerk's immediate family in the US for marketing and directing the narcotics into the states..
Whenever I hear that "we have to solve these problems AT THE SOURCE" from all the Dems -- I go ballistic.. Because that's naive and stupid to believe that sending MORE MONEY to narco dictators is any kind of solution.. Short of going to war (ISIS style) with the gangs, cartels and corrupt governments down there --- there is NOT MUCH we have the focus to accomplish "at the source"... You want the CIA to WHACK Hernandez and his Admin down in Honduras? That would be a start....
But I particularly care that 1/2 of the political leaders DON'T CARE about moderating or improving immigration laws... And there are PARTISAN reasons for encouraging the stampede to the our border. Like 10 or 16 excess House seats that Dems have gained at the expense of other states (some of them even purple or blue) by STUFFING as many illegals into their state census as possible...
And I care that Dems held DACA folks HOSTAGE after the courts shot down the Obama exec order because the Dems didn't want to give Trump a SINGLE thing in terms of border barriers or end to Visa lottery.... DACA got screwed BECAUSE the DEMS claimed there was no crisis (ignoring the actual human suffering going on) and because they just want this crisis to fester....
The "wall" doesn't change our immigration policies... The OBJECT is to clear EVERYONE through the ports of entry. That is SANE policy design.. And it's humane... Because it takes the cartels and the criminals out of process and out of business of RUNNING their side of the border...
So THIS PROBLEM with the rent-a-kids needs to get addressed.. The unescorted minor problem needs to gets fixed... And my current government is INCAPABLE of any of that..
Yeah -- I'm upset.. But I EXPECT this from 2 dying brand parties wrapped in a grudge death match...
Here is what I care about. I care about human trafficking both inside the country and at the border. I also care about a policy that is ripping families apart without regard to whether or not they are or are not suspected of trafficking. You can’t solve one atrocity by committing another. I care about the trauma these kids are put for months at time. I care about the parents who’s kids are taken and they may never be reunited. Parents who were deported to some godforsaken little Guatemalan village and nobody even knows how to find them, leaving kids trapped in the government system which as you know does not have a great track record. And this administration does not care. It has said as much. They want these actions to be a deterrent and they don’t care if kids lives are destroyed in the process. Aren’t we better than that! I think we are. I can’t begin to imagine the anguish of a mother or father to lose their child this way. Or the fact that so many very young children are being warehoused for longer than legally allowed in awful conditions. I can’t imagine why those in power made a decision to stop programs that educate these kids, give them recreational outlets or legal assistance when they face an immigration judge. That gives substance to the term warehousing...indefinite, no education, no recreation...kids, young minds, what can they do?
That is the other side of it. Our border patrol are trained to look for signs of trafficking, and the fact that 2/3 of the group they suspect of having fake families are real families, tells me they are doing a good job, over estimating but more likely to catch them.
DACA got screwed because the Administration and the Republicans took on an “anything but Obama” flag in it’s policy making. This is pretty obvious across a wide spectrum of policies, not just DACA. Both sides used it for political purposes but it was the Pubs that effectively tried to kill it. DACA has widespread public support. DACA got screwed because the Republicans insisted on attaching widespread immigration reform (without discussion) to it and because the president refused to accept an offer even when offered the Wall. Their great offer was not so great...it only delayed decisions. DACA could have been a stand alone bipartisan bill. Who stopped it? Who really screwed it?
We need comprehensive immigration reform. That only happen with both parties genuinely working together, not a “My way or the highway” approach. I am not optimistic unfortunately. We have few real statesmen left and compromise seems to be a dirty word. You place more of the blame on Dems, I place more of the blame on the Pubs. But I think we both agree the problems are big and I think we both care passionately.
I also think you can not ignore the factors at the source and the role they play. This isnt just effecting our border, it is a worldwide phenomenon with record numbers of displaced people fleeing extreme poverty, adverse climatic conditions, failed states, violence and persecution. As long as These factors are pushing people out they will continue to risk death on incredibly dangerous journeys to gain a better future for their families and we will continue to have monsters profiting off them and often, causing their deaths. People here on this board may dehumanize them. They may call them subhuman, but they are a hell of a lot braver than many of us who are Priveledged to be American by sheer luck of birth. Not by anything we did. Please don’t take that to mean I support unlimited unrestricted immigration. I don’t. I support a legal and orderly process. But a process that never forgets we are dealing with human beings.
I don’t know WHAT the answer is at the source. Economic aid in terms of programs to help develop economic and agricultural opportunities? Each area is different but without looking to them everything else is a bandaid because history has shown that when conditions are bad enough and hopeless enough people will subject themselves to unimaginable hardships to get out.
That brings me to the next thing. While you have the Dems pandering to their base with their talk about decriminalizing illegal border crossings, you have the Pubs pandering to THEIR base about ending asylum. Our asylum laws were created after we turned away refugees on the St. Louis, and sent them back to Europe to die. And we want to return to that mindset? Most asylum applications are rejected, it is a high bar, and that is fine.
I do think we agree on some of the main points, we just aportion the blame somewhat differently.
Here is a question:
If Trump can use military funding to pay for wall, why can’t it be used to pay for more judges and staff at the border, more dna testing,transportation to detainment facilities (according to the article below, we have space at better p,aces unutilized). and to fund programs being cut for the kids we are detaining. Why is that not a priority?
As Border Crisis Worsens, a Detention Center Designed for Children Has None
