Discussion about deliberate misinformation and its' effects

[expatobserver]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

 

[elektra]

A huge lie by a politician or the democrat media mouth piece is the same as yelling fire in a crowded theater, a crime.

 

[expatobserver]

Thanks for a reasoned response. \For others, please Remember.... this is a discussion.... to discuss ideas

 

[EMH]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

Would it be "legal" to ask you questions, like


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?



or should those be censored because your sick ass wants Americans to believe the CO2 FRAUD?

 

[wamose]

One man's truth is another man's disinformation, and it's all allowed under the first amendment. If we allow one side of a discussion to decide what the truth is, and them limit what the other side can say, then we don't have free speech. IMO, the OP doesn't believe in free speech.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

How about we start from the premise that it is not a lie? How does that impact your beliefs?

 

[alang1216]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

It is human nature to want a strong leader that offers answers to all our problems, real or imagined. Once we find one we commit ourselves and trust them, and even excuse any lies or obvious contradictions we see with our own eyes. Since our leader is better than their leader, whatever our leader says or does is justified and excused.

Until people grow up and stop this adoration of the strong leader, nothing will change. I don't see this ever happening.

 

[JGalt]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

So how do you propose to regulate a lie? Last time I checked, lying isn't really illegal and there's still a First Amendment. It's not my responsibility to tell you what the truth is, that's on you to find out.

 

[SeaMajor7]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

IRONY

 

[expatobserver]

Nice to see how people descend into vitriol when they believe the BS a politician talks..
Not many suggestions offered here about the problem

The problem with democratic systems - their vulnerability to exploitation by bad actors who can manipulate democratic protections to undermine democracy itself.


i]Immediate accountability is critical. The fatal flaw is that democratic systems often have too many procedural protections that can be weaponized by those intent on spreading harmful misinformation.


More direct solutions might include:

1. Immediate Legal Consequences

• Treat deliberate, provably dangerous misinformation as a form of incitement
• Allow for swift legal prosecution that doesn't depend on lengthy proceedings
• Create special judicial tracks for rapid adjudication of cases involving potential democratic subversion

1. Professional Accountability

• Immediate removal from office for elected officials who deliberately spread demonstrably false information that could provoke violence
• Loss of political credentials and future eligibility for public office
• Financial penalties that make such behavior economically unsustainable
• • Media Accountability
• Immediate licensing revocation for media outlets that knowingly amplify demonstrably dangerous misinformation
• Personal liability for executives and key personalities who spread such content
• Significant financial penalties that make spreading such misinformation financially ruinous

Countries like Israel, Brazil, and several European nations have shown more willingness to immediately suspend or prosecute political leaders for serious breaches of public trust.


The core issue is creating a system with teeth - one that can respond rapidly to protect democratic integrity, rather than being constrained by the very protections meant to preserve it.

 

[JGalt]

Nice to see how people descend into vitriol when they believe the BS a politician talks..
Not many suggestions offered here about the problem

The problem with democratic systems - their vulnerability to exploitation by bad actors who can manipulate democratic protections to undermine democracy itself.


i]Immediate accountability is critical. The fatal flaw is that democratic systems often have too many procedural protections that can be weaponized by those intent on spreading harmful misinformation.


More direct solutions might include:

1. Immediate Legal Consequences

• Treat deliberate, provably dangerous misinformation as a form of incitement
• Allow for swift legal prosecution that doesn't depend on lengthy proceedings
• Create special judicial tracks for rapid adjudication of cases involving potential democratic subversion

1. Professional Accountability

• Immediate removal from office for elected officials who deliberately spread demonstrably false information that could provoke violence
• Loss of political credentials and future eligibility for public office
• Financial penalties that make such behavior economically unsustainable
• • Media Accountability
• Immediate licensing revocation for media outlets that knowingly amplify demonstrably dangerous misinformation
• Personal liability for executives and key personalities who spread such content
• Significant financial penalties that make spreading such misinformation financially ruinous

Countries like Israel, Brazil, and several European nations have shown more willingness to immediately suspend or prosecute political leaders for serious breaches of public trust.


The core issue is creating a system with teeth - one that can respond rapidly to protect democratic integrity, rather than being constrained by the very protections meant to preserve it.

I have a right to tell you what I want you to believe. If you're so ignorant that you believe me, that's on you.

 

[expatobserver]

That is a great solution... tell all the lies you want is a right??? My idea of a discussion is to talk sensibly.
Think about it ..
Here are specific legal and structural reforms to create more robust accountability:

1. Constitutional Amendments

• Explicitly define "deliberate misinformation with potential for societal harm" as a prosecutable offense
• Create a specialized constitutional court with expedited judicial review powers
• Establish clear criteria for removing elected officials who deliberately spread dangerous falsehoods

1. Legislative Reforms

• Pass laws that:
  • Make intentional public misinformation a criminal offense with significant penalties
  • Allow for immediate suspension of elected officials pending investigation
  • Create financial penalties proportional to the potential societal damage caused
  • Mandate immediate public corrections and retractions with equal prominence to the original statement

1. Media and Communication Accountability

• Require media outlets to:
  • Maintain a publicly accessible fact-checking database
  • Broadcast corrections with the same prominence as original misleading content
  • Face substantial financial penalties for repeated deliberate misinformation
• Create a national misinformation tracking center with real-time monitoring and rapid response capabilities

1. Judicial Mechanism Innovations

• Establish a special tribunal specifically for prosecuting systemic misinformation
• Develop expedited judicial processes for cases involving potential democratic subversion
• Allow for civil society and citizen-initiated proceedings with lower evidentiary burdens

1. Professional Consequences

• Create a national registry of public officials who have been found to deliberately spread harmful misinformation
• Implement permanent or time-limited bans from public office
• Develop professional licensing mechanisms that can revoke credentials for repeated violations

1. Technology and Transparency Measures

• Mandate full digital transparency for political communications
• Require detailed sourcing for public statements by elected officials
• Create AI-powered real-time fact-checking systems integrated into public communication platforms

The key is creating a multi-layered system that:

• Acts quickly
• Has meaningful consequences
• Protects against retaliatory or politically motivated prosecutions
• Maintains core democratic principles while closing exploitation loopholes

These reforms aim to create a robust accountability mechanism that can respond rapidly to threats to democratic discourse while maintaining fundamental protections for free speech.

 

[berg80]

what is the solution.. when a politician deliberately lies, and the lies are believed by people who institute violence because of the lie? A president who falsely states that 'countries are emptying their jails and mental institutions to send them as migrants to our country' so that silly people believe his lies? And do not give me a sermon on freedom of speech. This transcends the rights of free speech. How would you solve this problem? the deliberate spread of misinformation that can incite fear, hatred, and potentially violence.?
Here are some nuanced approaches to addressing this complex problem:

1. Systemic Accountability Mechanisms

• Implement stronger legal consequences for deliberately spreading demonstrably false information that can be proven to incite violence
• Create independent fact-checking bodies with real enforcement powers
• Develop clear legal definitions of dangerous misinformation that goes beyond protected speech

1. Media and Technology Interventions

• Require social media platforms to have robust systems for identifying and limiting the spread of provably false content
• Develop algorithmic tools that can quickly flag and contextualize misleading information
• Promote media literacy programs that teach critical thinking and source verification

1. Educational Strategies

• Invest in comprehensive critical thinking and media literacy education starting from early school years
• Create public awareness campaigns that help people recognize manipulation tactics
• Develop programs that help people understand cognitive biases and how misinformation spreads

1. Political and Legal Reforms

• Strengthen electoral laws with stricter consequences for deliberately spreading harmful misinformation
• Create mechanisms for rapid public correction of dangerous falsehoods
• Develop more robust standards for political discourse that prioritize factual accuracy

1. Community-Level Interventions

• Support local dialogue and community-building initiatives that reduce polarization
• Create platforms for constructive dialogue across different belief systems
• Invest in programs that help people understand complex social issues beyond soundbites

The key is a multi-layered approach that doesn't just punish but helps rebuild the social fabric of trust and critical thinking. It's about creating systemic resilience against manipulation while respecting fundamental democratic principles.


The goal isn't censorship, but creating robust societal mechanisms that make it progressively harder for dangerous misinformation to take root and spread.

It's the existential problem of out times. Unfortunately, the genie has been let out of the bottle in terms of unaccountable media sources spewing lies yet being rewarded for it.

The other obstacle being psychological studies showing the difficulty of changing someone's mind once a lie has been adopted as the truth. It requires both a monumental effort by a counter party and a willingness on the part of the person who has adopted a lie to accept the actual truth. Clearly trumples are too invested in the Orange Messiah, AND THEIR SUPPORT OF HIM, to have any interest in admitting what they believe is false.

 

[expatobserver]

great truth