Dinner at the neighbor's house.

[berg80]

My neighbor and I had to agree long ago not to talk politics as he is part of The Following. I mean he's all in.

But we couldn't avoid talking about the assassination attempt over dinner last night (his wife is an excellent cook). One thing lead to another and we found ourselves discussing how he could vote for Trump after, as I put it, "what he did." At which point he asked, "like what?" To which I replied, "Even if you give him a pass on Jan. 6, what about the fake electors scheme?"

He was vaguely aware of the term but really didn't know much about it. I grabbed my phone, found this article, and texted it to him.

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election​

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election

Here’s what you need to know about the "fake electors" scheme and how it relates to Trump’s federal indictment following a 2020 election investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggested he read it while I help his wife clear the table and clean up. He did. "I don't see anything there that would make me not want to vote for Trump. Some of his aides came up with a crazy plan and it didn't work. So what?"

My response, "Maybe we should just stop talking about it." So we did. But I didn't want to. I wanted to say I took it personally that Don tried to nullify my vote and the votes of everyone who didn't vote for him. I wanted to ask how could he consider voting for someone who did something so fundamentally, despicably un-American in violation of the Constitution and his oath of office?

So now he knows about the fake elector plot. Or at least as much as his defense mechanisms will allow him to know. It hasn't changed his mind. Nothing will. Which is why we are where we are as a country, and us as neighbors.

 

[kyzr]

OMG. Another BERG TDS thread.

 

[Mac1958]

My neighbor and I had to agree long ago not to talk politics as he is part of The Following. I mean he's all in.

But we couldn't avoid talking about the assassination attempt over dinner last night (his wife is an excellent cook). One thing lead to another and we found ourselves discussing how he could vote for Trump after, as I put it, "what he did." At which point he asked, "like what?" To which I replied, "Even if you give him a pass on Jan. 6, what about the fake electors scheme?"

He was vaguely aware of the term but really didn't know much about it. I grabbed my phone, found this article, and texted it to him.

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election​

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election

Here’s what you need to know about the "fake electors" scheme and how it relates to Trump’s federal indictment following a 2020 election investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggested he read it while I help his wife clear the table and clean up. He did. "I don't see anything there that would make me not want to vote for Trump. Some of his aides came up with a crazy plan and it didn't work. So what?"

My response, "Maybe we should just stop talking about it." So we did. But I didn't want to. I wanted to say I took it personally that Don tried to nullify my vote and the votes of everyone who didn't vote for him. I wanted to ask how could he consider voting for someone who did something so fundamentally, despicably un-American in violation of the Constitution and his oath of office?

So now he knows about the fake elector plot. Or at least as much as his defense mechanisms will allow him to know. It hasn't changed his mind. Nothing will. Which is why we are where we are as a country, and us as neighbors.

A real turning point for me came a couple of years ago when I saw an interview with a rally-goer.

He answered questions with the standard misinformed stories, conspiracy theories and talking points, and the interviewer patiently but carefully debunked each one. Clearly.

The guy took a moment, and looked down at his shoes. Then he looked back up at the interviewer and said:

"Yeah, I don't care".

That's when I knew this was pointless. It's just gonna play out, one way or the other. They're not going to question anything.

 

[berg80]

OMG. Another BERG TDS thread.

After numerous legal challenges were flatly rejected by federal and state judges in several battleground states, Trump and his allies began actively pushing Republican state officials to reverse the election results.

Specifically, prosecutors outlined in the indictment how they a) asked governors and secretaries of state to not certify the popular vote results, and b) pointed to nonexistent voter fraud to encourage state legislatures to set aside the popular vote and choose a fresh slate of pro-Trump electors.

According to the indictment, the plan was outlined in a series of memos that "evolved over time from a legal strategy to preserve the Defendant's right to a corrupt plan to subvert the federal government function by stopping Biden electors' votes from being counted and certified."

The Trump team helped prepare fake certificates in seven states that Trump lost: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. In many cases, these certificates falsely stated that the electors were their state’s “duly elected and qualified” electors. Those phony certificates were then submitted to the National Archives and Congress. A watchdog group published some of the fake certificates.

 

[Oddball]

My neighbor and I had to agree long ago not to talk politics as he is part of The Following. I mean he's all in.

But we couldn't avoid talking about the assassination attempt over dinner last night (his wife is an excellent cook). One thing lead to another and we found ourselves discussing how he could vote for Trump after, as I put it, "what he did." At which point he asked, "like what?" To which I replied, "Even if you give him a pass on Jan. 6, what about the fake electors scheme?"

He was vaguely aware of the term but really didn't know much about it. I grabbed my phone, found this article, and texted it to him.

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election​

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election

Here’s what you need to know about the "fake electors" scheme and how it relates to Trump’s federal indictment following a 2020 election investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggested he read it while I help his wife clear the table and clean up. He did. "I don't see anything there that would make me not want to vote for Trump. Some of his aides came up with a crazy plan and it didn't work. So what?"

My response, "Maybe we should just stop talking about it." So we did. But I didn't want to. I wanted to say I took it personally that Don tried to nullify my vote and the votes of everyone who didn't vote for him. I wanted to ask how could he consider voting for someone who did something so fundamentally, despicably un-American in violation of the Constitution and his oath of office?

So now he knows about the fake elector plot. Or at least as much as his defense mechanisms will allow him to know. It hasn't changed his mind. Nothing will. Which is why we are where we are as a country, and us as neighbors.

Another day, another TDS thread....

 

[berg80]

A real turning point for me came a couple of years ago when I saw an interview with a rally-goer.

He answered questions with the standard misinformed stories and talking points, and the interviewer patiently but carefully debunked each one. Clearly.

The guy took a moment, and looked down at his shoes. Then he looked back up at the interviewer and said:

"Yeah, I don't care".

That's when I knew this was pointless. It's just gonna play out, one way or the other. They're not going to question anything.

Which is why I wrote the other day about there being an emotional/psychological component to the blind devotion of The Following. It's why Trump's defenders here get angry when we throw the truth in their faces. They're gonna vote how they're gonna vote.........the facts be damned.

 

[Mac1958]

Which is why I wrote the other day about there being an emotional/psychological component to the blind devotion of The Following. It's why Trump's defenders here get angry when we throw the truth in their faces. They're gonna vote how they're gonna vote.........the facts be damned.

Yeah, this is FAR beyond politics. This is intensely personal. Somehow.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Berg wakes up every morning and desperately tries to find something to create yet another TDS thread

Past tiresome

 

[Couchpotato]

A real turning point for me came a couple of years ago when I saw an interview with a rally-goer.

He answered questions with the standard misinformed stories, conspiracy theories and talking points, and the interviewer patiently but carefully debunked each one. Clearly.

The guy took a moment, and looked down at his shoes. Then he looked back up at the interviewer and said:

"Yeah, I don't care".

That's when I knew this was pointless. It's just gonna play out, one way or the other. They're not going to question anything.

How is that any different than you voting for Biden KNOWING he’s in severe mental decline?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

How is that any different than you voting for Biden KNOWING he’s in severe mental decline?

Yeah....lol

 

[SweetSue92]

My neighbor and I had to agree long ago not to talk politics as he is part of The Following. I mean he's all in.

But we couldn't avoid talking about the assassination attempt over dinner last night (his wife is an excellent cook). One thing lead to another and we found ourselves discussing how he could vote for Trump after, as I put it, "what he did." At which point he asked, "like what?" To which I replied, "Even if you give him a pass on Jan. 6, what about the fake electors scheme?"

He was vaguely aware of the term but really didn't know much about it. I grabbed my phone, found this article, and texted it to him.

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election​

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election

Here’s what you need to know about the "fake electors" scheme and how it relates to Trump’s federal indictment following a 2020 election investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggested he read it while I help his wife clear the table and clean up. He did. "I don't see anything there that would make me not want to vote for Trump. Some of his aides came up with a crazy plan and it didn't work. So what?"

My response, "Maybe we should just stop talking about it." So we did. But I didn't want to. I wanted to say I took it personally that Don tried to nullify my vote and the votes of everyone who didn't vote for him. I wanted to ask how could he consider voting for someone who did something so fundamentally, despicably un-American in violation of the Constitution and his oath of office?

So now he knows about the fake elector plot. Or at least as much as his defense mechanisms will allow him to know. It hasn't changed his mind. Nothing will. Which is why we are where we are as a country, and us as neighbors.

I am surprised and pleased that you can put politics aside and have an evening out with those with whom you disagree. I can too. Frankly we need to get back to that.

 

[Rogue AI]

Anecdotal nonsense as cover for a TDS whine fest. How pathetic. I guess this should be expected since the 'writer's corner' is gone. Fruitcake liberals write their fantasy fiction in politics instead.

 

[struth]

My neighbor and I had to agree long ago not to talk politics as he is part of The Following. I mean he's all in.

But we couldn't avoid talking about the assassination attempt over dinner last night (his wife is an excellent cook). One thing lead to another and we found ourselves discussing how he could vote for Trump after, as I put it, "what he did." At which point he asked, "like what?" To which I replied, "Even if you give him a pass on Jan. 6, what about the fake electors scheme?"

He was vaguely aware of the term but really didn't know much about it. I grabbed my phone, found this article, and texted it to him.

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election​

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election

Here’s what you need to know about the "fake electors" scheme and how it relates to Trump’s federal indictment following a 2020 election investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggested he read it while I help his wife clear the table and clean up. He did. "I don't see anything there that would make me not want to vote for Trump. Some of his aides came up with a crazy plan and it didn't work. So what?"

My response, "Maybe we should just stop talking about it." So we did. But I didn't want to. I wanted to say I took it personally that Don tried to nullify my vote and the votes of everyone who didn't vote for him. I wanted to ask how could he consider voting for someone who did something so fundamentally, despicably un-American in violation of the Constitution and his oath of office?

So now he knows about the fake elector plot. Or at least as much as his defense mechanisms will allow him to know. It hasn't changed his mind. Nothing will. Which is why we are where we are as a country, and us as neighbors.

I think most people understand the "fake electors" hoax is just a hoax....more Demafacsit propaganda to rival up the base to try and assassinate Trump.

 

[berg80]

Berg wakes up every morning and desperately tries to find something to create yet another TDS thread

Past tiresome

Your obvious discomfort trying to deal with the subjects I bring up makes my day.

 

[22lcidw]

A real turning point for me came a couple of years ago when I saw an interview with a rally-goer.

He answered questions with the standard misinformed stories, conspiracy theories and talking points, and the interviewer patiently but carefully debunked each one. Clearly.

The guy took a moment, and looked down at his shoes. Then he looked back up at the interviewer and said:

"Yeah, I don't care".

That's when I knew this was pointless. It's just gonna play out, one way or the other. They're not going to question anything.

If we were to launch a Space Launch System NASA totally derived rocket to the space station with a few astronauts, it will currently cost 4 billion dollars a launch. They will get it lower depending on how many launches they do. This is Progs. Forcing pure equality, no matter the cost and eventually destroying the nation. I say if the resources dry up, the wails of pain and agony will be heard in space from those who exist off of it.

 

[Mac1958]

How is that any different than you voting for Biden KNOWING he’s in severe mental decline?

Many people only voted for Biden because of his opponent. The one and only reason. Like me.

People across the political spectrum.

I think most people know that.

 

[SeaMajor7]

My neighbor and I had to agree long ago not to talk politics as he is part of The Following. I mean he's all in.

But we couldn't avoid talking about the assassination attempt over dinner last night (his wife is an excellent cook). One thing lead to another and we found ourselves discussing how he could vote for Trump after, as I put it, "what he did." At which point he asked, "like what?" To which I replied, "Even if you give him a pass on Jan. 6, what about the fake electors scheme?"

He was vaguely aware of the term but really didn't know much about it. I grabbed my phone, found this article, and texted it to him.

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election​

What to know about the Trump 'fake electors' scheme in the 2020 election

Here’s what you need to know about the "fake electors" scheme and how it relates to Trump’s federal indictment following a 2020 election investigation.

www.nbcnews.com

I suggested he read it while I help his wife clear the table and clean up. He did. "I don't see anything there that would make me not want to vote for Trump. Some of his aides came up with a crazy plan and it didn't work. So what?"

My response, "Maybe we should just stop talking about it." So we did. But I didn't want to. I wanted to say I took it personally that Don tried to nullify my vote and the votes of everyone who didn't vote for him. I wanted to ask how could he consider voting for someone who did something so fundamentally, despicably un-American in violation of the Constitution and his oath of office?

So now he knows about the fake elector plot. Or at least as much as his defense mechanisms will allow him to know. It hasn't changed his mind. Nothing will. Which is why we are where we are as a country, and us as neighbors.

Cool story, PSYCHOPATH

 

[berg80]

I think most people understand the "fake electors" hoax is just a hoax....more Demafacsit propaganda to rival up the base to try and assassinate Trump.

By hoax what do you mean exactly?

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump ‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Rudy Giuliani and 16 others for their roles in an attempt to overturn Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Trump won Arizona in 2020. They include the former state party chair, a 2022 U.S. Senate candidate and two sitting state lawmakers, who are charged with nine counts each of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.

The identities of seven other defendants, including Giuliani and Meadows, were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the documents. They were readily identifiable based on descriptions of the defendants, however.

Arizona indicts 18 in election interference case, including Giuliani and Meadows

With the indictments, Arizona becomes the fourth state where allies of the former president Donald Trump have been charged with using false or unproven claims about voter fraud related to the 2020 election.

apnews.com

 

[struth]

By hoax what do you mean exactly?

PHOENIX (AP) — An Arizona grand jury has indicted former President Donald Trump ‘s chief of staff Mark Meadows, lawyer Rudy Giuliani and 16 others for their roles in an attempt to overturn Trump’s loss to Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

The indictment released Wednesday names 11 Republicans who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring that Trump won Arizona in 2020. They include the former state party chair, a 2022 U.S. Senate candidate and two sitting state lawmakers, who are charged with nine counts each of conspiracy, fraud and forgery.

The identities of seven other defendants, including Giuliani and Meadows, were not immediately released because they had not yet been served with the documents. They were readily identifiable based on descriptions of the defendants, however.

Arizona indicts 18 in election interference case, including Giuliani and Meadows

With the indictments, Arizona becomes the fourth state where allies of the former president Donald Trump have been charged with using false or unproven claims about voter fraud related to the 2020 election.

apnews.com

that there were no "fake electors"

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Your obvious discomfort trying to deal with the subjects I bring up makes my day.

I didn't even read your trype. It's NBC garbage