Did voter fraud alter the outcome of the MN 2008 Senate race?

[NYcarbineer]

And who would have won that election if it were decided by the popular vote?

Bush. Though he won the EC in New York, the popular vote was fairly even.

That wasn't the question, though.

So NY and CA do not decide elections only if the popular vote were to be used.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Franken won legally.

I wouldn't go that far.

Well, post the court finding that shows he didn't.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So NY and CA do not decide elections only if the popular vote were to be used.

Sure they do.

NY and California have a combined population of the rest of the country. Should they vote for a candidate, then regardless of the other 48 states, that candidate will win.

Why do you want to disenfranchise the voters in 48 states? What does the democratic party seek to disenfranchise voters in most of the country?

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Why do democrats hate America?

 

[daveman]

So you're saying that the most reprehensible thing to do would be to say 'you lost, get over it',

like we heard from CONSERVATIVES and REPUBLICANS approximately 2.6 zillion times after the 2000 Bush/Gore election?

When did you decide that your fellow conservatives were such scumbags in that regard? I don't recall ever seeing you mention that...

Because, you imbecile, there was no fraud in the 2000 election.

Bush won legally.

Meanwhile, despite all your posturing, you don't give a damn that Minnesotans were disenfranchised in the '08 Senate race.

Why?

Because the Democrat won.

Franken won legally.

So the voter fraud means nothing to you?

Not at all surprised, really.

 

[daveman]

So NY and CA do not decide elections only if the popular vote were to be used.

Sure they do.

NY and California have a combined population of the rest of the country. Should they vote for a candidate, then regardless of the other 48 states, that candidate will win.

Why do you want to disenfranchise the voters in 48 states? What does the democratic party seek to disenfranchise voters in most of the country?

» Left Tries an End-Run Around the Electoral College - Big Government

Why do democrats hate America?

Party before country. Every time.

 

[Article 15]

Franken and Bush both won legally. There is zero way to prove which way the votes for ballots cast by felons would have gone because its a secret ballot. You can't pull Johnny Felony's specific ballot and nullify the vote. The election has been certified. It's over. No amount of partisan gnashing from TSgt Democracy is going change things.

 

[L.K.Eder]

this post number saved from another inane cliché spouted by lameman.

 

[daveman]

Franken and Bush both won legally. There is zero way to prove which way the votes for ballots cast by felons would have gone because its a secret ballot. You can't pull Johnny Felony's specific ballot and nullify the vote. The election has been certified. It's over. No amount of partisan gnashing from TSgt Democracy is going change things.

As I said, there is no way to fix this particular election.

But we can prevent it happening again.

Oddly enough, Democrats seem to oppose those efforts.

 

[daveman]

this post number saved from another inane cliché spouted by lameman.

I forget -- have you condemned the voter fraud that disenfranchised so many MN voters, or have you excused it?

 

[Uncensored2008]

As I said, there is no way to fix this particular election.

But we can prevent it happening again.

Oddly enough, Democrats seem to oppose those efforts.

Dims depend on fraud.

 

[daveman]

As I said, there is no way to fix this particular election.

But we can prevent it happening again.

Oddly enough, Democrats seem to oppose those efforts.

Dims depend on fraud.

There can be no other conclusion.

 

[JoeB131]

Some research I did:




2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate Election: Results after election contest[1][2][64][65]
Party Candidate Votes
DFL Al Franken 1,212,629
Republican Norm Coleman 1,212,317


The difference?

312 votes.

The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, "ineligible voter knowingly votes" under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

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Minnesota's recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota's 2008 general election.

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At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial.​

So: 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

That assumes those 113 people all voted for Franken. And it still wouldn't have made a difference.

Personally, I'm wondering why you think a person with a criminal record shouldn't be allowed to vote. They did their time.

 

[JoeB131]

Franken and Bush both won legally. There is zero way to prove which way the votes for ballots cast by felons would have gone because its a secret ballot. You can't pull Johnny Felony's specific ballot and nullify the vote. The election has been certified. It's over. No amount of partisan gnashing from TSgt Democracy is going change things.

As I said, there is no way to fix this particular election.

But we can prevent it happening again.

Oddly enough, Democrats seem to oppose those efforts.

Well, sometimes a solution can we worse than the problem.

You can fix a hangnail by amputating an arm, but no one thinks that's really a good idea.

How many valid voters are you willing to disenfranchise to get the one guy who might not be able to?

Again, giving you the total benefit of the doubt here and assuming that this is really your goal. You only want to get Johnny Felony out, not the guy who has a similar name, or the guy who couldn't come up with 35 bucks for a driver's license because he doesn't have a car.

 

[Fordsflylow]

Some research I did:




2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate Election: Results after election contest[1][2][64][65]
Party Candidate Votes
DFL Al Franken 1,212,629
Republican Norm Coleman 1,212,317


The difference?

312 votes.

The report finds that 113 individuals who voted illegally in the 2008 election have been convicted of the crime, "ineligible voter knowingly votes" under Minnesota Statute 201.014.

--

Minnesota's recent charges and convictions stem from research initiated by Minnesota Majority. The research identified upwards of 2,800 ineligible felons believed to have unlawfully voted in Minnesota's 2008 general election.

--

At the time of this report, nearly 200 additional cases are still pending trial.​

So: 113 convictions. 200 more pending cases. 2,800 ineligibles possibly voted.

Your linky doesn't work.

 

[Fordsflylow]

Conservative media hype "not accurate" report to suggest Franken's election was "an illegal victory" | Media Matters for America

MediaMatters' little temper tantrum does nothing to refute the numbers in the OP.

But your party benefited, so it's okay with you.

You're anti-democracy.

How do you know for sure that just the dem party was the only beneficiary?

Are you trying to sell that there is no voter fraud coming from the con side?

How so?

 

[Fordsflylow]

Franken and Bush both won legally. There is zero way to prove which way the votes for ballots cast by felons would have gone because its a secret ballot. You can't pull Johnny Felony's specific ballot and nullify the vote. The election has been certified. It's over. No amount of partisan gnashing from TSgt Democracy is going change things.

As I said, there is no way to fix this particular election.

But we can prevent it happening again.

Oddly enough, Democrats seem to oppose those efforts.

The problem is virtually, if not straight up nonexistent. It's a waste of time and money for those who have limited money to begin with. I personally think the con's fear losing the elections they and their buds are trying to BUY. Only thing left to do is to try and rig the game. Per as usual!!

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[skookerasbil]

One thing we all know for sure...............as we speak, all over the country, the DNC is signing up dead people, dogs, cats and illegals to vote in November. Liberals have made an art out of padding the numbers in the vote using fraud

 

[Fordsflylow]

Personally, I'm wondering why you think a person with a criminal record shouldn't be allowed to vote. They did their time.

Me as well!

 

[Fordsflylow]

One thing we all know for sure...............as we speak, all over the country, the DNC is signing up dead people, dogs, cats and illegals to vote in November. Liberals have made an art out of padding the numbers in the vote using fraud

Here's your big chance to prove it! Not only prove it, but prove that if it in fact did happen, did it make any difference in the outcome of an election?

 

[JoeB131]

One thing we all know for sure...............as we speak, all over the country, the DNC is signing up dead people, dogs, cats and illegals to vote in November. Liberals have made an art out of padding the numbers in the vote using fraud

Except the Bush Administration tried to prove there was voter fraud and couldn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all

Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.