Zone1 Did the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica keep ocean levels stable for centuries?

[DennisPTate]

Was the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica the number one reason that ocean levels have not risen in not only DECADES but actually centuries?

During my 2008 campaign for public office in Nova Scotia, a well read elderly gentleman from Latvia made me aware of the following:

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).

Once Mr. M...... K...... got me thinking about this I did more research and found the following. I personally am disappointed with Mr. Al Gore for NOT making it clear what has been preventing the ocean levels from rising for decades and actually centuries.

"At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!" (Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory, Gershom Gale, Expanded Discussion on the HAB Theory.)

I believe that I should leave you with the entire article by Mr. Gershom Gale on this topic:

Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory
Gershom Gale gershon1
@netvision.net.il


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Geophysical science offers rather thin explanations for the periods of history during which great glaciers advanced and retreated from the polar regions, leaving a great deal of physical evidence.

The more one delves into the actual evidence, the more skeptical one becomes of the existing theories. The truth, according to the HAB Theory, is that periodically - at intervals ranging from 3,000 to 7000 years but averaging around 5,500 years apart - great global cataclysms have occurred which destroyed virtually all of whatever life forms or civilizations had developed on the Earth to that point.

The cataclysms occur when the Earth is thrown off balance due to a massive, unbalanced accumulation of ice at the polar regions. As these polar ice caps grow, their enormous weight, accumulating unevenly as it does, creates an imbalance, and a wobble begins to develop in the rotation of the Earth on its axis. Year by year, as the ice caps grow, this eccentricity increases until, with devastating suddenness, the polar masses are thrown toward the point of greatest spin, which is the equator. Quite abruptly, the areas which were polar now become equatorial, and vice versa.

The resultant cataclysm is, of course monumental across the entire face of the Earth, except at the two points which become pivotal when the capsizing effect occurs.


An Analogy:

Picture the Earth as a round ball spinning in place on a glass table top. Imagine then, that on the uppermost part of this spinning ball, you drop a tiny glob of molten metal, just slightly off center. The ball immediately begins to wobble...

Add more weight and that wobble becomes more pronounced. Add still more and the eccentricity becomes so great the centrifugal force of the spinning ball grips the weight and turns the entire ball so that the weighted portion is thrown to the imaginary line encircling the ball where the speed is greatest - which is coincident with the imaginary line on Earth known to us as the equator.

That is precisely what happens periodically to the Earth. The buildup of ice at the poles increases until its weight is suddenly thrown some 90 degrees from pole to equator. Yes, the Earth is 26 miles greater in diameter when measured around the equator than when measured around the poles, and one might argue that this bulge provides a stability that would make such a sudden tipping unlikely. But consider: such a variance, considering the size of the planet, is far less than the manufacturing tolerances of an ivory billiard ball.

As the sun evaporates the oceans, the moisture thus released precipitates as rain or snow all over the Earth. But the snows that fall on the polar caps do not melt or flow off at anything like the rate at which they evaporate elsewhere. Snow at the poles piles up and gradually turns into glacial ice. As this process continues, the ice caps increase in size.

At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie! That's enough= ice to form a layer one mile wide and two miles high from New York to Chicago. And this is the buildup of only one year!

These figures were confirmed by Franz Loewe of France and Malcolm Mellors of Australia. There is no mistake.

The present ice mass is considerably over 5.5 million square miles. If the South Pole were over Chicago, that would make a two-mile thick slab of ice extending from Hudson's Bay to Key West, Florida.

Even this wouldn't be a threat if the ice were perfectly centered over the Earth's axis of spin, but it is not. The wobble was discovered by astronomers in 1885. It amounted to only a fraction over an inch. By the mid 1930s, this had increased to just over six feet. In 1970, the radial movement was close to 80 yards. And right now (197, the wobble is approaching a half-mile in radius.

There is no known means of calculating the point at which rollover will occur, though the summer equinox is the most dangerous time each year. It could conceivably happen with another fraction of an inch of added eccentricity. Or the system may remain more or less stable even if the wobble worsened by another mile or more.

Eventually, though, it'll reach the point of no return and the capsizing effect will occur, with essentially no warning. Overcoming the gyroscopic stabilizing effect of the Earth's equatorial bulge, and in obedience to the laws of centrifugal force, the weight of the ice will be thrown toward the equator. The Earth will continue spinning on it's axis as before, but with some dramatic differences: The ice caps will be riding on the equator, and practically all life - Man included - will have been extinguished.

This is not just a one-time occurrence; it has happened over and over again=! There have been thousands of such rollovers, perhaps even millions, during the 4.5-billion year history of the Earth.

How much time have we got before the next capsizing occurs?

The interval between each occurrence in the past has ranged between 3,000 and 7,000 years. The longest period between tilts was just about 7,000 years, give or take 50. The physical evidence indicates that our present epoch has lasted approximately 7,500 years; we've been living on borrowed time for quite a while." [Gershom Gale]

 

[White 6]

Was the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica the number one reason that ocean levels have not risen in not only DECADES but actually centuries?

During my 2008 campaign for public office in Nova Scotia, a well read elderly gentleman from Latvia made me aware of the following:



Once Mr. M...... K...... got me thinking about this I did more research and found the following. I personally am disappointed with Mr. Al Gore for NOT making it clear what has been preventing the ocean levels from rising for decades and actually centuries.



I believe that I should leave you with the entire article by Mr. Gershom Gale on this topic:

What? You mean water flowing down from the top down to the bottom and Antarctica?

 

[DennisPTate]

What? You mean water flowing down from the top down to the bottom and Antarctica?

Exactly!

Once clouds go over Antarctica and drop their moisture it is stuck there for thousands and even tens of thousand of years!

Core samples have been drilled into Antarctica that show that the Antarctic ice has been growing and growing and growing for hundreds of thousands of years.

 

[ReinyDays]

Was the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica the number one reason that ocean levels have not risen in not only DECADES but actually centuries?

During my 2008 campaign for public office in Nova Scotia, a well read elderly gentleman from Latvia made me aware of the following:



Once Mr. M...... K...... got me thinking about this I did more research and found the following. I personally am disappointed with Mr. Al Gore for NOT making it clear what has been preventing the ocean levels from rising for decades and actually centuries.



I believe that I should leave you with the entire article by Mr. Gershom Gale on this topic:

Why are you posting about things that occur over centuries in "Current Events" ...

HAB Theory is science fiction ... just made-up to serve as a plot device for an Allen Eckert novel ... I'm sorry but that's not how rotational motion works ... the rate of rotation may change (and regularly does), but the angle of the axis of rotation doesn't ... none of the existing planets have ever "wobbled" ... c.f. hydrostatic equilibrium ...

Once clouds go over Antarctica and drop their moisture it is stuck there for thousands and even tens of thousand of years!

This was my next question ... because Antarctica is a nasty desert ... clouds and snow are rare ... so if we added 300 cubic miles of ice to Antarctica coast line, we'd have a berm 1-3/4 inches square ... around the continent ...

Mr. Gershom Gale is a Jewish Mystic, part time prophet ... he believes the Earth is destroyed and remade by God every 5,000 years ... i.e. Young Flat Earther ... he has never published in the scientific media ...

The ice in Antarctica has been building for millions, or ten of millions of years ... we can count the layers in the ice cores ... 27 million to the bottom of Antarctic ice, 30 million layers in Greenland ice ... wheat them and reap ...

 

[DennisPTate]

Why are you posting about things that occur over centuries in "Current Events" ...

HAB Theory is science fiction ... just made-up to serve as a plot device for an Allen Eckert novel ... I'm sorry but that's not how rotational motion works ... the rate of rotation may change (and regularly does), but the angle of the axis of rotation doesn't ... none of the existing planets have ever "wobbled" ... c.f. hydrostatic equilibrium ...

Once clouds go over Antarctica and drop their moisture it is stuck there for thousands and even tens of thousand of years!

This was my next question ... because Antarctica is a nasty desert ... clouds and snow are rare ... so if we added 300 cubic miles of ice to Antarctica coast line, we'd have a berm 1-3/4 inches square ... around the continent ...

Mr. Gershom Gale is a Jewish Mystic, part time prophet ... he believes the Earth is destroyed and remade by God every 5,000 years ... i.e. Young Flat Earther ... he has never published in the scientific media ...

The ice in Antarctica has been building for millions, or ten of millions of years ... we can count the layers in the ice cores ... 27 million to the bottom of Antarctic ice, 30 million layers in Greenland ice ... wheat them and reap ...

This is actually the "Clean Debate Zone" but I probably gave a link to this to a related topic in the "Current Events" forum because you can rest assured that although Kamala and the "Green New Deal" is temporarily not an immediate problem, but you can rest assured that the idea of using fear over Climate Change will probably be back with a vengeance by 2028?

Kamala may even be one of the more interesting Dem candidates for 2028?

 

[ReinyDays]

This is actually the "Clean Debate Zone" but I probably gave a link to this to a related topic in the "Current Events" forum because you can rest assured that although Kamala and the "Green New Deal" is temporarily not an immediate problem, but you can rest assured that the idea of using fear over Climate Change will probably be back with a vengeance by 2028?

Kamala may even be one of the more interesting Dem candidates for 2028?

Thank you for the correction ... the moderators have had to correct me a few times about that mistake ... ha ha ha ...

Every Deadhead knows women are smarter than men ... vote wisely ...

 

[frigidweirdo]

Was the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica the number one reason that ocean levels have not risen in not only DECADES but actually centuries?

During my 2008 campaign for public office in Nova Scotia, a well read elderly gentleman from Latvia made me aware of the following:



Once Mr. M...... K...... got me thinking about this I did more research and found the following. I personally am disappointed with Mr. Al Gore for NOT making it clear what has been preventing the ocean levels from rising for decades and actually centuries.



I believe that I should leave you with the entire article by Mr. Gershom Gale on this topic:

So what happens if Antarctica melts?

 

[DennisPTate]

So what happens if Antarctica melts?

Actually there is part of Antarctica that the experts are worried about. It is called the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and instead of being anchored on bedrock it is anchored Below Sea Level. If it were hit by a Tsunami or if a number of volcanoes were to erupt under it ocean levels could begin to actually rise.


It is almost impossible for even the best and the brightest to give us accurate numbers because the WAIS could theoretically gain mass on the top of the ice at the same time that the part of it that is below sea level could be calving off lots and lots and lots of icebergs.

No matter what happens on the WAIS or on the land based Greenland Ice Sheet it is still good news if Israel and the Islamic nations can begin to cooperate a lot regarding desalinating sea water on a large scale partly to produce food even in deserts.

Most importantly, the WAIS has a complex topography which magnifies its vulnerability. The grounding lines of its glaciers are below the sea level by several hundred metres or more, and the bed only deepens upstream.<a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a> This means that as the ice sheet loses mass to melting, an increasing fraction of its height becomes exposed to warm water flows that are no longer displaced by its mass. This hypothesis is known as marine ice sheet instability (MISI) and it has the potential to greatly accelerate ice losses. The lack of knowledge about its specifics introduces substantial uncertainty into projections of 21st century sea level rise.<a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>59<span>]</span></a> WAIS could be even more vulnerable under the so-called marine ice cliff instability hypothesis (MICI). It suggests that when a glacier's ice shelf melts, it would not just retreat faster, but rapidly collapse under its own weight if the height of its cliffs was greater than 100 m (330 ft).<a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>60<span>]</span></a><a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>61<span>]</span></a> This particular process has never been observed and was even ruled out by some of the more detailed modelling, but it still adds to the uncertainty in sea level projections.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has wrestled with the limited information about MISI for a long time. In 2001, IPCC Third Assessment Report mentioned the possibility of such disintegration and provided a vague long-term estimate for what it then described as a hypothetical. In 2007, the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report omitted any mention of it due to increased uncertainty, and a number of scientists criticized that decision as excessively conservative.<a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>63<span>]</span></a><a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>64<span>]</span></a> The 2013/2014 IPCC Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) was again unable to describe the risk, but it stated with medium confidence that MISI could add up to several tens of centimeters to 21st century sea level rise. The report projected that in the absence of instability, WAIS would cause around 6 cm (2.4 in) of sea level rise under the low-emission scenario RCP2.6. High emission scenario RCP8.5 would have slightly lower retreat of WAIS at 4 cm (1.6 in), due to calculations that the surface would be gaining mass. This is possible because effects of climate change on the water cycle would add more snow to the surface of the ice sheet, which is soon compressed into more ice, and this could offset some of the losses from the coasts.<a href="West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>65<span>]</span></a>

West Antarctic Ice Sheet - Wikipedia

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[frigidweirdo]

Actually there is part of Antarctica that the experts are worried about. It is called the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and instead of being anchored on bedrock it is anchored Below Sea Level. If it were hit by a Tsunami or if a number of volcanoes were to erupt under it ocean levels could begin to actually rise.


It is almost impossible for even the best and the brightest to give us accurate numbers because the WAIS could theoretically gain mass on the top of the ice at the same time that the part of it that is below sea level could be calving off lots and lots and lots of icebergs.

No matter what happens on the WAIS or on the land based Greenland Ice Sheet it is still good news if Israel and the Islamic nations can begin to cooperate a lot regarding desalinating sea water on a large scale partly to produce food even in deserts.

Yes, it's difficult. A change in weather patterns might cause there to be more precipitation, and therefore more snow.

However if all the ice on Antarctica were to melt, it would be a huge problem.

 

[Stryder50]

Thank you for the correction ... the moderators have had to correct me a few times about that mistake ... ha ha ha ...

Every Deadhead knows women are smarter than men ... vote wisely ...

Bell curves ...
Different brain structures per gender result in different specialization.

 

[Stryder50]

Yes, it's difficult. A change in weather patterns might cause there to be more precipitation, and therefore more snow.

However if all the ice on Antarctica were to melt, it would be a huge problem.

To melt ALL the ice on Antarctica would require a process of far more energy than the speculation of ACC/AGW.
Something on the scale of large asteroid impact and that makes human factor very minor.

 

[Stryder50]

Yes, it's difficult. A change in weather patterns might cause there to be more precipitation, and therefore more snow.

However if all the ice on Antarctica were to melt, it would be a huge problem.

Weather pattern changes are thought to be a major factor in glaciation/ice ages.
Water for that ice comes from the oceans, meaning sea levels drop.

 

[ReinyDays]

Bell curves ...
Different brain structures per gender result in different specialization.

You bet ... corporate board rooms, halls of political power, administrating the sacraments ... that's all women are good for, they should stick to that ... leave the important work to men ... digging ditches, fixing cars and dying for their country ...

A tiger with a belly-full of peacock ain't going to be chasing peahen and peachicks through the brush ... simple economics ... the male is "specialized" to keep the predators fed ... and serve no evolutionary function after the female is fertilized ... if you believe in that stuff ...

 

[Stryder50]

You bet ... corporate board rooms, halls of political power, administrating the sacraments ... that's all women are good for, they should stick to that ... leave the important work to men ... digging ditches, fixing cars and dying for their country ...

A tiger with a belly-full of peacock ain't going to be chasing peahen and peachicks through the brush ... simple economics ... the male is "specialized" to keep the predators fed ... and serve no evolutionary function after the female is fertilized ... if you believe in that stuff ...

BRAIN SEX​

THE REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN

by Anne Moir & David Jessel ‧ RELEASE DATE: June 1, 1991

If men and women are equal, why have males been the dominant sex virtually throughout history? Here, geneticist Moir and BBC- TV writer-producer Jessel argue convincingly that the answer lies in the difference between the male and female brain. Writing with clarity and style, and documenting their data every step of the way, Moir and Jessel explain how the embryonic brain is shaped as either male or female at about six weeks, when the male fetus begins producing hormones that organize its brain's neural networks into a male pattern; in their absence, the brain will be female. Not surprisingly, there are endless variations in degree of maleness, and mishaps can lead to a male brain in a female body and vice versa. Moir and Jessel include a brain sex test that lets the reader discover just how masculine or feminine his (or her) brain is.

For the nonscientist, they translate considerable research into the structural and organizational differences between male and female brains, demonstrating how these differences make men more aggressive and competitive and better at skills that require spatial ability and mathematical reasoning, and women more sensitive to nuances of expression and gesture, more adept at judging character. Women, it seems, are more people-oriented than men, who are more interested in things. Moir and Jessel assert that it is necessary to ``accept who we are before arguing about what we should be,'' and that denying gender differences means ignoring their value. A literate, entertaining, and, for some, surely wrath- provoking presentation of scientific data about the differences between the sexes.

BRAIN SEX | Kirkus Reviews

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Why can't a woman be more like a man? What is this thing called "feminine intuition"? Why are men better at reading maps, and women at other people's characters? The answers lie in the basic biological differences between the male and female brain, which, say the authors, make it impossible for the sexes to share equal emotional or intellectual qualities.
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[DennisPTate]

To melt ALL the ice on Antarctica would require a process of far more energy than the speculation of ACC/AGW.
Something on the scale of large asteroid impact and that makes human factor very minor.

Isaiah wrote about the light of the sun being "sevenfold" in the years before the Era of Moshiach or The Millennium begins. I do not claim to understand exactly what he means by that but it sounds kind of HUGE?

 

[Stryder50]

Isaiah wrote about the light of the sun being "sevenfold" in the years before the Era of Moshiach or The Millennium begins. I do not claim to understand exactly what he means by that but it sounds kind of HUGE?

Thing is it's a relative observation lacking modern instrumentation to measure. So not quite an objective bit of data.
Also, factors such as season of the year which reflect axial angle and orbital variations could also cause it to vary.

It might also be a factor of Milankovitich Cycle.
Or translation error.

The term "sevenfold" is vague and lacks adequate context, IMO.
Could be metaphorical ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Could be metaphorical ...

Isaiah metaphorical? ... there's an interesting concept ...

 

[DennisPTate]

Thing is it's a relative observation lacking modern instrumentation to measure. So not quite an objective bit of data.
Also, factors such as season of the year which reflect axial angle and orbital variations could also cause it to vary.

It might also be a factor of Milankovitich Cycle.
Or translation error.

The term "sevenfold" is vague and lacks adequate context, IMO.
Could be metaphorical ...

Good point....
but it sure does appear as if Isaiah was NOT a Flat Earther?

Isaiah 40:22 describes God sitting above the "circle of the earth" (khûg), a phrase often debated between representing a flat, circular disk horizon or a 3D spherical shape. While some view this as a scientific reference to a globe, others argue it refers to the dome-like vault of heaven stretching over the horizon.
GotQuestions.org +1

• Hebrew Meaning: The word khûg (חוּג) refers to a circle, circuit, or compass, suggesting a boundary line. It is also translated in other contexts as "vault" (Job 22:14), which can imply a three-dimensional curvature.
• Context in Isaiah: The passage compares the inhabitants of the earth to grasshoppers and describes the heavens being stretched out like a tent or curtain.
• Alternative Interpretations: Many scholars argue the text describes the ancient understanding of a circular, flat, and disc-shaped earth surrounded by a horizon, rather than a modern, scientific definition of a spherical earth.
• Poetic Imagery: The imagery is widely interpreted as portraying God's immense power as He looks down from above the boundary of the earth and the heavens.

The phrase emphasizes the vastness of God's perspective over the earth, regardless of whether it implies a 2D circle or 3D sphere

"It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."


[Isaiah 40: 22]

Douay-Rheims Bible, Isaias (Isaiah) Chapter 40

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