1) President Obama is not being truthful because the Republicans attempted to insert an amendment in the bill such that the proposed plan would not cover illegal immigrants and they were voted down in a straight party line vote by the democrats.
2) Given the bills in the House and Senate are over 1,000 pages each and are written in pure legalese it will be up to the beaurocrats to imlement the bill once it has been passed, and without specific guidance to omit the coverage of illegal immigrants they will be covered. If this were not the wish of the Democrats why would they vote down the amendment (mentioned above)???
Why would you assume that, without that specific guidance, illegal immigrants would qualify for healthcare? Do illegals qualify for any other government program?
For the very same reason that until a bill was passed that locked it in for all existing government provided healthcare insurance programs that abortion will not be covered regardless of any further modifications to those programs -any modification to any existing government healthcare insurance program had to include a specific ban on abortions every single time -or these programs would have had to cover abortions. And that is according to US courts.
Since abortion is a medical procedure, unless paying for abortions with taxpayer funds is specifically banned from legislation involving government healthcare insurance -the courts have said abortion MUST be covered. So rather than have this be an eternal issue with liberals trying get away with legislation that failed to always include this ban when these programs were modified in any way, Congress passed a bill years ago banning the coverage of abortion regardless of any future modifications to these programs. But that ban only applies to already existing government provided healthcare insurance programs. Not ANY future ones -those would once again require a specific ban. And more than a few Democrats in Congress -like Pelosi, as well as Obama himself -have lied and insisted that ban applies to all future programs as well -BUT IT DOES NOT. Democrats have been insisting that because abortion isn't even mentioned at all in their bills, it somehow means abortion would not be covered. A show of hands from those who believe that idiocy please. That is a lie -and the fact they refuse to include these bans in their legislation now PROVES IT IS A LIE. Democrats have dug in on this, refuse to include these specific bans -all while publicly insisting that Republicans are just making up phony issues with this. Even though it would be a ridiculously easy way to remove this as a point of contention or a debatable issue and just include the specific bans. But that would require that Democrats be honest in the first place instead of trying to secretly include the backdoor coverage for both abortions and illegals! Which is EXACTLY what they are trying to do -all while lying by insisting there is no way for abortions or illegals to be covered. Because hey, they aren't even mentioned in the bills! And apparently that satisifies some dolts out there. ROFL How can you possibly expect any US court to rule that abortion, a medical procedure - is somehow banned from coverage in a government funded medical insurance program THIS TIME - UNLESS IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS SO -when it has already ruled that it requires such a ban or it will be covered?
Only ONE BILL has even been proposed specifically banning coverage of illegals, one Pelosi has already said will never be passed by the House anyway -but without any requirement that participation requires proof of citizenship. Which makes the ban entirely meaningless because our courts have already ruled in the past that people only need to prove citizenship before participation in any government program when proof of citizenship is specifically REQUIRED in order to participate. Language that simply states it is intended for citizens is not sufficient language to justify the demand to prove citizenship -according to the court. Our modern courts have bastardized our Constitution by deciding that in the absence of specific language, benefit of the doubt will go towards the expansion and greater power of government instead of what will best protect the rights of citizens (without infringing on the human rights of noncitizens). Something that no doubt has the founders spinning like tops in their graves.
Even if you did not know that a specific ban and specific language must be included to insure abortion and illegals are not covered, COMMON SENSE should have told you there must be something you are not aware of to explain why Democrats, especially the leftwing extremist kooks like Pelosi, are all so VEHEMENTLY and rigidly opposed to the inclusion of such bans! Got any common sense or not? If Democrats were actually being honest (BWAA HAA HAA) and didn't have a desire to see that abortions and illegals were covered, then the inclusion of the few lines necessary to insure they are not -included somewhere in their massive piece of bullshit that guarantees a bureaucratic nightmare anyway - would remove this stumbling block from their neverending quest for government run healthcare, RIGHT? Come ON here -if they really believed their proposed bills AS THEY EXIST was really sufficient to prevent the coverage of abortions and illegals -then why do they so strongly oppose ending that debate entirely by including the specific language insuring abortions and illegals will not be covered? Pretty obvious that Democrats MUST have reasons, reasons they have not been honest about or even bothered to tell the people -about why they refuse to include these specific bans. So what could those reasons be? HMMMMM? The answer lies in those past court rulings.
You people who think government -ANY government -is trustworthy and that those who wield power should ever be given the benefit of the doubt, can readily and always be taken at face value, that government is a benign entity that actually has your best interests at heart, or stupidly believe that those who wield power and give lip service to claiming to have only the "purest" motivations cannot possibly be the corrupt liars they really are - clearly are not only completely ignorant of the thousands of years of mankind's history and experiences at the hands of government of every single conceivable kind and stripe, but do not understand how government even works. But especially not even YOUR OWN.
Our courts do not EVER rule in accordance with what the people believe their representatives have SAID is intended by their legislation or what the people were even promised was not included by lying ass politicians who have no qualms about deceiving their own constituents and the entire nation if doing so will further their own agenda. The courts don't rule in accordance with legislators' intent even when they know exactly what that intent was. But will rule in accordance with what is and is NOT specifically included in that legislation. Only who gets the benefit of the doubt when there is an absence of specific language has changed -not the fact that this is how courts make their rulings. If it doesn't have a specific amendment that not only bans illegals from participating but also requires proof of citizenship in order to participate - then our courts will almost certainly rule that illegals MUST be covered. Courts have already ruled in this way regarding the "right" of illegal aliens to access our education and healthcare systems already. No language that specifically banned them from accessing these systems and no language specifically requiring proof of citizenship and therefore no legal grounds to ASSUME these systems were intended only for the US citizens who thought they were creating them for their OWN benefit. And not for the benefit of everyone and anyone else who managed to sneak across our borders. Therefore, the courts have ruled, the benefit of the doubt goes to illegals who have a "right" to be parasites on our education and healthcare systems. The benefit of the doubt did not and will not in the future go to the US citizens who only have the "right" to foot those massive bills.
Don't kid yourself on this one. Congressional Democrats, as well as Obama, KNOW THIS for a fact -which is why they so vigorously and VEHEMENTLY refuse to include the language that would ban coverage of abortions or illegals.
Without the inclusion of a specific amendment banning the funding of abortions, taxpayers will DEFINITELY end up footing the bill for it in any new healthcare legislation passed by Democrats. No ifs, ands or buts about that one -without a specific ban the courts have already ruled in the past
that abortion, which is a medical procedure, must also be covered. And without the inclusion of a specific amendment banning the inclusion of non-citizens AND requiring proof of citizenship in order to participate, it is also a dead certainty that illegals WOULD be covered as well. And that is why Democrats so vehemently and vigorously oppose including any bans on either. And apparently they have no problem with deceiving the American people about it either. When it turns out both are covered they will just claim they had no idea the courts would rule that abortion and illegals must be covered under their bill. They will claim they had no idea courts would rule that way because HEY, it isn't as if they wrote a bill that said so.
They just wrote a bill that DIDN'T ban it -which our courts have said amounts to the same thing.
Given the past rulings of our own courts on both of these issues, rulings that are readily available to anyone who wants to read them -you have to be either ignorant about past rulings or not understand how those rulings may apply to future bills. Or someone who does know about all these past rulings, as our elected government officials all do -and still choose to be a blatant liar anyway in order to deceive the very people who put you into office. No secret which I think Democrats like Pelosi, Reid, Obama etc. are on this one.
...yea i know what you mean Dr......you should check out some of the threads where all these leftist are whining and crying.....
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