Did Israel Evict The Palestinians?

[Shusha]

On the contrary, its quite substantiated. Are you trying to argue that a State can come into being with no government, no control over territory, no ability to create infrastructure, laws, while completely under the control of another State?

Have you got a link for that?

Of course I do.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil

Do you have one to substantiate your blabber?

Of course not. It is just blabber.

Not that tired old zebra again.

It is my link. Where is yours?

Your link is an rebuttal opinion of an opinion piece and in no way represents international law. It is poorly written and substantially neglects to provide sources, often with the author quoting his own opinions as "proof" that this opinion is valid. Its nothing more than a vague and unsubstantiated reference to constitutive theory, with no demonstration of how that applies to Palestine between 1922 and 1988.

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

On the contrary, constitutive theory is an easy concept to understand (though in practice, the minimal threshold remains largely undefined.)

As is common with people attempting to argue legal principles with respect to Arab "Palestine", they are stretched to the breaking point. The zebra article "if it looks like a state, it is a state", is a perfect example of this. It proposes a minimal threshold for constituting a state so low that almost any territory could be considered a state. The example given is that a judgement between Greece and Great Britain mentions "Palestine", therefore "Palestine" came into being as a State in that moment based on constitutive theory. The very sound of it is ridiculous.

If would be like saying if Israel and Japan enacted some sort of treaty that mentions "Judea and Samaria" it would create a State of Judea and Samaria.

 

[Hollie]

Your link is an rebuttal opinion of an opinion piece and in no way represents international law. It is poorly written and substantially neglects to provide sources, often with the author quoting his own opinions as "proof" that this opinion is valid. Its nothing more than a vague and unsubstantiated reference to constitutive theory, with no demonstration of how that applies to Palestine between 1922 and 1988.

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

Cutting and pasting a zebra doesn’t make Islamic terrorist enclaves a state.

An article you found on the Internet assigns statehood? That’s so silly.

Besides, the “Country of Pal’istan”, as we know, was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne. You have made that point dozens of times. The “Pal’istanians” were invented by Arafat in 1967.

There you have it. An invented “Country” inhabited by people invented by an Egyptian terrorist.

Link?

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

Cutting and pasting a zebra doesn’t make Islamic terrorist enclaves a state.

An article you found on the Internet assigns statehood? That’s so silly.

Besides, the “Country of Pal’istan”, as we know, was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne. You have made that point dozens of times. The “Pal’istanians” were invented by Arafat in 1967.

There you have it. An invented “Country” inhabited by people invented by an Egyptian terrorist.

Link?

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

 

[Hollie]

Cutting and pasting a zebra doesn’t make Islamic terrorist enclaves a state.

An article you found on the Internet assigns statehood? That’s so silly.

Besides, the “Country of Pal’istan”, as we know, was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne. You have made that point dozens of times. The “Pal’istanians” were invented by Arafat in 1967.

There you have it. An invented “Country” inhabited by people invented by an Egyptian terrorist.

Link?

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Link?

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

Any day now...……..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Link?

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

6 August 1924

 

[Hollie]

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

Any day now...……..

If you perform a search using "ipso facto" as the term and P F Tinmore's user name, you get 218 instances of the cut and paste snippet.

And, still no indication as to when the "country of Pal'istan" was invented.

 

[Hollie]

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

6 August 1924

The effective date of the Treaty of Lausanne.

You can't find your way out of that Cul-de-sac, right?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

6 August 1924

Really? Would you please post the picture of the 1928 Palestinian Olympic team. Thanks.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

6 August 1924

Really? Would you please post the picture of the 1928 Palestinian Olympic team. Thanks.

Or some 1928 currency printed by the Palestinian Central bank......

and a list of Palestinian elected officials in 1928.

 

[member]

yassir arafat - Google Search

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

You cut paste that blurb across many threads but you never identify how the Treaty of Lausanne created your invented "country of Pal'istan".

You are confused.

I never said it did.

So, when did your invented "country of Pal'istan" come into existence?

6 August 1924

"6 August 1924"



. . .an american would have automatically said it the other way:

August 6, 1924...



who are you, joe glouchester from havenshire ?

​

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Did Israel Evict The Palestinians?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is so much foolishness.

You are (once again) salting a misrepresentation of the intent with a few facts.

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

(COMMENT)

A couple of points need to be mention here. Not so much for you (you will ignore them) but for the other readers:

◈ The 1925 Citizenship Order, in its reference to "PALESTINE" actually refers to:

"The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Palestine Order on Council (LoNs). It is not a State and does not become a state until 1948, when Israel is established.​

The document cited, supra (Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine) is not an official interpretation. Nor does it talk about "statehood." What does the actual Order say? It says:

◈ "For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b) All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

Excerpts
THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY NOW THEREFORE, HIS MAJESTY -

By virtue and in exercise of the powers in his behalf by the Foreign Jurisdiction Act of 1890, or otherwise, in His Majesty vested, is pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council to order, and it is ordered as follows:-

PART 1.

1. (1) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August 1924 shall become Palestine citizens.

(2) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen may [...]

(3) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of clause (1) of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen and differs in race from the majority of the population of Palestine may in the like manner and subject to the same conditions opt for the nationality of one of the States in which the majority of the population is of the same race as the person exercising the right to opt subject to the consent of that State and he shall thereupon cease to be a Palestinian citizen.
​

Article 21: Definitions

For the purpose of this Order:

1. The expression “Palestine” includes the territories to which the mandate for Palestine applies, except such parts of the territories comprised in Palestine to the east of Jordan and the Dead Sea as were defined by Order of the High Commissioner dated the first of September 1922.

2. The expression “Palestinian citizen” means a person who is by birth or becomes by naturalisation or otherwise a Palestinian citizen.​

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine.​

It does NOT refer to a "state" but it does refer to "the territory of Palestine." The territory had not been given independence; except for the promise made to the Emir on the East Side of the Jordan (fulfilled in 1946). The Government of Palestine was the British High Commissioner (Staff • et al).

Remember, the Arab Palestinians have rejected self-governing institutions on several occassion, using the excuse that they wanted it all and they deserved it all. And the Arab Palestinians, in doing so, reected the right to self-determination in the matter of citizenship and territorial negotiations.

...........
Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: Did Israel Evict The Palestinians?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is so much foolishness.

You are (once again) salting a misrepresentation of the intent with a few facts.

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

(COMMENT)

A couple of points need to be mention here. Not so much for you (you will ignore them) but for the other readers:

◈ The 1925 Citizenship Order, in its reference to "PALESTINE" actually refers to:

"The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Palestine Order on Council (LoNs). It is not a State and does not become a state until 1948, when Israel is established.​

The document cited, supra (Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine) is not an official interpretation. Nor does it talk about "statehood." What does the actual Order say? It says:

◈ "For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b) All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

Excerpts
THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY NOW THEREFORE, HIS MAJESTY -

By virtue and in exercise of the powers in his behalf by the Foreign Jurisdiction Act of 1890, or otherwise, in His Majesty vested, is pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council to order, and it is ordered as follows:-

PART 1.

1. (1) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August 1924 shall become Palestine citizens.

(2) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen may [...]

(3) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of clause (1) of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen and differs in race from the majority of the population of Palestine may in the like manner and subject to the same conditions opt for the nationality of one of the States in which the majority of the population is of the same race as the person exercising the right to opt subject to the consent of that State and he shall thereupon cease to be a Palestinian citizen.
​

Article 21: Definitions

For the purpose of this Order:

1. The expression “Palestine” includes the territories to which the mandate for Palestine applies, except such parts of the territories comprised in Palestine to the east of Jordan and the Dead Sea as were defined by Order of the High Commissioner dated the first of September 1922.

2. The expression “Palestinian citizen” means a person who is by birth or becomes by naturalisation or otherwise a Palestinian citizen.​

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine.​

It does NOT refer to a "state" but it does refer to "the territory of Palestine." The territory had not been given independence; except for the promise made to the Emir on the East Side of the Jordan (fulfilled in 1946). The Government of Palestine was the British High Commissioner (Staff • et al).

Remember, the Arab Palestinians have rejected self-governing institutions on several occassion, using the excuse that they wanted it all and they deserved it all. And the Arab Palestinians, in doing so, reected the right to self-determination in the matter of citizenship and territorial negotiations.

...........
Most Respectfully,
R

The above should be saved as a Microsoft Word document so when, Oh, say tomorrow, when P F Tinmore again launches into his “Treaty of Lausanne created the State of Pal’istan” cutting and pasting, no one has to waste much time giving him directions around the Cul-de-sac.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Did Israel Evict The Palestinians?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is so much foolishness.

You are (once again) salting a misrepresentation of the intent with a few facts.

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

(COMMENT)

A couple of points need to be mention here. Not so much for you (you will ignore them) but for the other readers:

◈ The 1925 Citizenship Order, in its reference to "PALESTINE" actually refers to:

"The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Palestine Order on Council (LoNs). It is not a State and does not become a state until 1948, when Israel is established.​

The document cited, supra (Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine) is not an official interpretation. Nor does it talk about "statehood." What does the actual Order say? It says:

◈ "For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b) All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

Excerpts
THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY NOW THEREFORE, HIS MAJESTY -

By virtue and in exercise of the powers in his behalf by the Foreign Jurisdiction Act of 1890, or otherwise, in His Majesty vested, is pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council to order, and it is ordered as follows:-

PART 1.

1. (1) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August 1924 shall become Palestine citizens.

(2) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen may [...]

(3) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of clause (1) of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen and differs in race from the majority of the population of Palestine may in the like manner and subject to the same conditions opt for the nationality of one of the States in which the majority of the population is of the same race as the person exercising the right to opt subject to the consent of that State and he shall thereupon cease to be a Palestinian citizen.
​

Article 21: Definitions

For the purpose of this Order:

1. The expression “Palestine” includes the territories to which the mandate for Palestine applies, except such parts of the territories comprised in Palestine to the east of Jordan and the Dead Sea as were defined by Order of the High Commissioner dated the first of September 1922.

2. The expression “Palestinian citizen” means a person who is by birth or becomes by naturalisation or otherwise a Palestinian citizen.​

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine.​

It does NOT refer to a "state" but it does refer to "the territory of Palestine." The territory had not been given independence; except for the promise made to the Emir on the East Side of the Jordan (fulfilled in 1946). The Government of Palestine was the British High Commissioner (Staff • et al).

Remember, the Arab Palestinians have rejected self-governing institutions on several occassion, using the excuse that they wanted it all and they deserved it all. And the Arab Palestinians, in doing so, reected the right to self-determination in the matter of citizenship and territorial negotiations.

...........
Most Respectfully,
R

And the Arab Palestinians, in doing so, reected the right to self-determination in the matter of citizenship and territorial negotiations.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Did Israel Evict The Palestinians?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is so much foolishness.

You are (once again) salting a misrepresentation of the intent with a few facts.

Late in the game.
---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order).

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

(COMMENT)

A couple of points need to be mention here. Not so much for you (you will ignore them) but for the other readers:

◈ The 1925 Citizenship Order, in its reference to "PALESTINE" actually refers to:

"The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Palestine Order on Council (LoNs). It is not a State and does not become a state until 1948, when Israel is established.​

The document cited, supra (Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine) is not an official interpretation. Nor does it talk about "statehood." What does the actual Order say? It says:

◈ "For the purposes of this Order and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b) All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.​

Excerpts
THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY NOW THEREFORE, HIS MAJESTY -

By virtue and in exercise of the powers in his behalf by the Foreign Jurisdiction Act of 1890, or otherwise, in His Majesty vested, is pleased by and with the advice of His Privy Council to order, and it is ordered as follows:-

PART 1.

1. (1) Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August 1924 shall become Palestine citizens.

(2) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen may [...]

(3) Any person over eighteen years of age who by virtue of clause (1) of this Article becomes a Palestinian citizen and differs in race from the majority of the population of Palestine may in the like manner and subject to the same conditions opt for the nationality of one of the States in which the majority of the population is of the same race as the person exercising the right to opt subject to the consent of that State and he shall thereupon cease to be a Palestinian citizen.
​

Article 21: Definitions

For the purpose of this Order:

1. The expression “Palestine” includes the territories to which the mandate for Palestine applies, except such parts of the territories comprised in Palestine to the east of Jordan and the Dead Sea as were defined by Order of the High Commissioner dated the first of September 1922.

2. The expression “Palestinian citizen” means a person who is by birth or becomes by naturalisation or otherwise a Palestinian citizen.​

SCHEDULE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE

I, A.B., Swear by Almighty God that I will be Faithful and Loyal to the Government of Palestine.​

It does NOT refer to a "state" but it does refer to "the territory of Palestine." The territory had not been given independence; except for the promise made to the Emir on the East Side of the Jordan (fulfilled in 1946). The Government of Palestine was the British High Commissioner (Staff • et al).

Remember, the Arab Palestinians have rejected self-governing institutions on several occassion, using the excuse that they wanted it all and they deserved it all. And the Arab Palestinians, in doing so, reected the right to self-determination in the matter of citizenship and territorial negotiations.

...........
Most Respectfully,
R

And the Arab Palestinians, in doing so, reected the right to self-determination in the matter of citizenship and territorial negotiations.

Link?

Many.

 

[Shusha]

Of course I do.

http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=mjil

Do you have one to substantiate your blabber?

Of course not. It is just blabber.

Not that tired old zebra again.

It is my link. Where is yours?

Your link is an rebuttal opinion of an opinion piece and in no way represents international law. It is poorly written and substantially neglects to provide sources, often with the author quoting his own opinions as "proof" that this opinion is valid. Its nothing more than a vague and unsubstantiated reference to constitutive theory, with no demonstration of how that applies to Palestine between 1922 and 1988.

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

On the contrary, constitutive theory is an easy concept to understand (though in practice, the minimal threshold remains largely undefined.)

As is common with people attempting to argue legal principles with respect to Arab "Palestine", they are stretched to the breaking point. The zebra article "if it looks like a state, it is a state", is a perfect example of this. It proposes a minimal threshold for constituting a state so low that almost any territory could be considered a state. The example given is that a judgement between Greece and Great Britain mentions "Palestine", therefore "Palestine" came into being as a State in that moment based on constitutive theory. The very sound of it is ridiculous.

If would be like saying if Israel and Japan enacted some sort of treaty that mentions "Judea and Samaria" it would create a State of Judea and Samaria.

Bump for P F Tinmore.

Or are you abandoning the conversation now?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not that tired old zebra again.

It is my link. Where is yours?

Your link is an rebuttal opinion of an opinion piece and in no way represents international law. It is poorly written and substantially neglects to provide sources, often with the author quoting his own opinions as "proof" that this opinion is valid. Its nothing more than a vague and unsubstantiated reference to constitutive theory, with no demonstration of how that applies to Palestine between 1922 and 1988.

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

On the contrary, constitutive theory is an easy concept to understand (though in practice, the minimal threshold remains largely undefined.)

As is common with people attempting to argue legal principles with respect to Arab "Palestine", they are stretched to the breaking point. The zebra article "if it looks like a state, it is a state", is a perfect example of this. It proposes a minimal threshold for constituting a state so low that almost any territory could be considered a state. The example given is that a judgement between Greece and Great Britain mentions "Palestine", therefore "Palestine" came into being as a State in that moment based on constitutive theory. The very sound of it is ridiculous.

If would be like saying if Israel and Japan enacted some sort of treaty that mentions "Judea and Samaria" it would create a State of Judea and Samaria.

Bump for P F Tinmore.

Or are you abandoning the conversation now?

No. Just waiting for a post worthy of a response.

 

[Shusha]

It is my link. Where is yours?

Your link is an rebuttal opinion of an opinion piece and in no way represents international law. It is poorly written and substantially neglects to provide sources, often with the author quoting his own opinions as "proof" that this opinion is valid. Its nothing more than a vague and unsubstantiated reference to constitutive theory, with no demonstration of how that applies to Palestine between 1922 and 1988.

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

On the contrary, constitutive theory is an easy concept to understand (though in practice, the minimal threshold remains largely undefined.)

As is common with people attempting to argue legal principles with respect to Arab "Palestine", they are stretched to the breaking point. The zebra article "if it looks like a state, it is a state", is a perfect example of this. It proposes a minimal threshold for constituting a state so low that almost any territory could be considered a state. The example given is that a judgement between Greece and Great Britain mentions "Palestine", therefore "Palestine" came into being as a State in that moment based on constitutive theory. The very sound of it is ridiculous.

If would be like saying if Israel and Japan enacted some sort of treaty that mentions "Judea and Samaria" it would create a State of Judea and Samaria.

Bump for P F Tinmore.

Or are you abandoning the conversation now?

No. Just waiting for a post worthy of a response.

In other words, you have no ability to actually discuss the content of your cut and pastes. You just see a catchy title about zebras and think it must be right then.

 

[Hollie]

It is my link. Where is yours?

Your link is an rebuttal opinion of an opinion piece and in no way represents international law. It is poorly written and substantially neglects to provide sources, often with the author quoting his own opinions as "proof" that this opinion is valid. Its nothing more than a vague and unsubstantiated reference to constitutive theory, with no demonstration of how that applies to Palestine between 1922 and 1988.

Sorry it went over your head.

So, where is your link?

You made a statement now you are ducking.

On the contrary, constitutive theory is an easy concept to understand (though in practice, the minimal threshold remains largely undefined.)

As is common with people attempting to argue legal principles with respect to Arab "Palestine", they are stretched to the breaking point. The zebra article "if it looks like a state, it is a state", is a perfect example of this. It proposes a minimal threshold for constituting a state so low that almost any territory could be considered a state. The example given is that a judgement between Greece and Great Britain mentions "Palestine", therefore "Palestine" came into being as a State in that moment based on constitutive theory. The very sound of it is ridiculous.

If would be like saying if Israel and Japan enacted some sort of treaty that mentions "Judea and Samaria" it would create a State of Judea and Samaria.

Bump for P F Tinmore.

Or are you abandoning the conversation now?

No. Just waiting for a post worthy of a response.

Don’t you mean just waiting for a post to prompt your Susan Akram video?