Did Command Sergeant Major Walz serve during wartime?

[Meathead]

This character saw combat...LOL...Vance himself served in the Marine Corps for four years, and he also never saw combat. He worked as a combat correspondent in Iraq between August 2005 and February 2006.
Alexander Vindman, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, wrote on X, formerly Twitter: "Vance enlisted & served 4 yrs, including 6 months in Iraq in 2005 as a reporter w/ a Public Affairs section of a Marine Aircraft Wing.
4 Yrs. compared to 24...You people are pathetic.

Vindman? Come on, ya gotta to do better than that!

 

[Couchpotato]

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1. No one is comparing one person's service to another, and casting judgement on which one was more valid or impressive.

2. Vance was on active duty and Walz was in the NG. 2 wildly different forms of service. One is a full-time job/lifestyle. The other is less than a part time job. Comparing the 2 is dumb. For example. Vance likely had more days in a military uniform over 4 years than Walz in 24.

3. The issue is the lying.



As an aside the Army gives ribbons for fucking everything. A ribbon for doing your PME? A ribbon for training? Oh and your graphic is in error E-9 is not the highest rank in the Army, and Walz wasn't an E-9. He was selected and pinned but did not do the required training in order to be actually promoted to the rank.

 

[Couchpotato]

This character saw combat...LOL...Vance himself served in the Marine Corps for four years, and he also never saw combat. He worked as a combat correspondent in Iraq between August 2005 and February 2006.
Alexander Vindman, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, wrote on X, formerly Twitter: "Vance enlisted & served 4 yrs, including 6 months in Iraq in 2005 as a reporter w/ a Public Affairs section of a Marine Aircraft Wing.
4 Yrs. compared to 24...You people are pathetic.

And Vindman knows or should know that service in the NG is 38 days a year (1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year) X 24 = 912 days or 2.5 years of active duty equivalent service. And Vance is a combat vet. He served in a combat zone, it's the definition of combat vet.

 

[Curried Goats]

To carry a weapon "in war", you actually have to be in the theater of war, Walz wasn't. Is that a concept that's too hard for you commies to understand? Only idiots that have never served would have difficulty understanding this.

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He served and was deployed in the European theater during Operation Enduring Freedom. Are you illiterate?

 

[Lesh]

And Vindman knows or should know that service in the NG is 38 days a year (1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year) X 24 = 912 days or 2.5 years of active duty equivalent service. And Vance is a combat vet. He served in a combat zone, it's the definition of combat vet.

You say no one is comparing service records and then proceed to do exactly that.

Hypocrite and liar

 

[Hollie]

Listen you simps, this thing AIN'Tt gonna work.

If you stupid idiots want to continue down this line of attack, then by all means, proceed.

Americans AREN'T falling for it THIS time.

Actually, it’s your Dem Cult that is continuing the Fraud of AWalz.

 

[Kondor3]

Tater had the same number of deferments, for asthma…..while playing college football.

Yep... another chicken-$hit draft dodger... but that doesn't distract from Trump's own draft dodging cowardice...

 

[Lesh]

To ITALY! I hear the beach at Camp Darby is quite the nice place to chill.

Almost as nice as the Green Zone right?

 

[Lesh]

So did I, what's your point? What if they had sent him to Scofield Barracks in Hawaii to backfill units there, would you still be calling people liars?

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Schofield is not overseas

 

[westwall]

Almost as nice as the Green Zone right?

The Green Zone actually had mortar rounds and artillery shells impact inside it's borders.

Camp Darby is better known for its lemoncello liqueur.

 

[westwall]

The right and now it's the forces of MAGA, have always tried muddying and distorting facts. The convoluted arguments regarding Walz and his military service is a great example. WAPO (cub reporters?) is falling for the narratives put forth by MAGA and others.

ex:

The last paragraph. Walz did not incorrectly say anything.

Some of us have addressed this before:

Vance also accused Walz of feigning a record in active combat: "[Walz] said - and he was making a point about gun control - he said, ‘we shouldn't allow weapons that I used in war, to be on America's streets.' Well, I wonder, Tim Walz, when you ever in war?"

The senator actually misquoted Walz in his screed. In the clip Vance was referencing, Walz says that he "carried" weapons in war, not "used." Given that Operation Enduring Freedom was a part of the post-9/11 War on Terror, and that Walz was deployed to Italy under it - and likely had a service weapon - the claim that he is engaging in "stolen valor" holds little water.

Vance spoke on Wednesday as if he served more honorably than Walz, noting that he went to Iraq "I did it, I did what they asked me to do and I did it honorably," he said The senator was deployed for six months in Iraq as a combat correspondent in 2005 as part of the Marines' Public Affairs office. He - like Walz - never engaged in active combat and has stated that he was "lucky to escape any real fighting," during his deployment.

No, YOU are trying to muddy the waters. Walz claimed to have been in a warzone.

He wasn't

He lied.

And you are trying to cover for him.

 

[Couchpotato]

You say no one is comparing service records and then proceed to do exactly that.

Hypocrite and liar

No I put Walz's in perspective. If you are going to run on your service which Walz and the Harris campaign have decided to do to one degree or another then putting that service into perspective is fair game IMO. I didn't say one person's service was greater or better or more valid than the other. Here's my biggest problem with what Walz and Vindman are doing. They say things like "Walz served 24 years in the military" knowing that people won't think it was the NG and if they do won't know the difference or what that means. Serving in the NG is honorable, and commendable. That said it's not the same as serving on active duty. It just isn't. It doesn't require the same amount of sacrifice. It doesn't require the same amount of commitment. Living in your hometown and going to your unit 38 days a year just isn't the same as living it 365. The attacks on Walz have primary been centered around him lying or "misspeaking" about his service not that he served or only served in the NG or didn't serve in a combat zone etc.

 

[Couchpotato]

Almost as nice as the Green Zone right?

LOL no. As far as I know there aren't any bases in Italy taking mortar rounds, or small arms fire. You can go out in town in Italy. Vicenza is about an hour from the Venice and the coast. An exceedingly temperate climate. Highs in the mid 80's in August. So no not almost as nice as the Green zone.

 

[Kondor3]

Yes.

He resigned as a Command Sergeant Major.

The Army reverted him back to Master Sergeant because he had not yet finished his CSM coursework before he resigned.

Yes.

He served during wartime.

The Balkans War. The Iraq War. The Afghan War.

He did not deploy to a combat zone and he did not see combat.

The video clip of him casually saying that he carried an assault rifle in war was a "mis-speak" in the heat of the moment.

I seriously doubt that he was thinking about it much when he said that and he has long-since conceded his non-combat status.

If he had made a habit of doing so I would have cried "Stolen Valor" myself but I see no malevolent intent behind that one mis-speak.

 

[westwall]

Yes.

He resigned as a Command Sergeant Major.

The Army reverted him back to Master Sergeant because he had not yet finished his CSM coursework before he resigned.

Yes.

He served during wartime.

The Balkans War. The Iraq War. The Afghan War.

He did not deploy to a combat zone and he did not see combat.

The video clip of him casually saying that he carried an assault rifle in war was a "mis-speak" in the heat of the moment.

I seriously doubt that he was thinking about it much when he said that and he has long-since conceded his non-combat status.

If he had made a habit of doing so I would have cried "Stolen Valor" myself but I see no malevolent intent behind that one mis-speak.

No, he repeated the claim MANY times. He did not "mis speak". He outright lied about his military service.

 

[Couchpotato]

Yes.

He resigned as a Command Sergeant Major.

The Army reverted him back to Master Sergeant because he had not yet finished his CSM coursework before he resigned.

Because he didn't do the things required to be a CSM. He was selected and pinned but wasn't actually promoted to the rank. Where's the shame in being a MSgt?

Yes.

He served during wartime.


The Balkans War. The Iraq War. The Afghan War.

The Balkans war?

He did not deploy to a combat zone and he did not see combat.

The video clip of him casually saying that he carried an assault rifle in war was a "mis-speak" in the heat of the moment.

I seriously doubt that he was thinking about it much when he said that and he has long-since conceded his non-combat status.

If he had made a habit of doing so I would have cried "Stolen Valor" myself but I see no malevolent intent behind that one mis-speak.

He was attempting to put weight behind his antigun stance using his military service. I don't believe it wasn't intentional. Oh and "misspoke" is politician speak for "got caught lying".

 

[pknopp]

The National Guard should never be sent overseas to start with.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yes.

He resigned as a Command Sergeant Major.

The Army reverted him back to Master Sergeant because he had not yet finished his CSM coursework before he resigned.

Yes.

He served during wartime.

The Balkans War. The Iraq War. The Afghan War.

He did not deploy to a combat zone and he did not see combat.

The video clip of him casually saying that he carried an assault rifle in war was a "mis-speak" in the heat of the moment.

I seriously doubt that he was thinking about it much when he said that and he has long-since conceded his non-combat status.

If he had made a habit of doing so I would have cried "Stolen Valor" myself but I see no malevolent intent behind that one mis-speak.

LOL isn't it funny how for you libs any time I democrat says something not true it is a misspeak but any time a republican does the same it is a vicious lie according to you?

 

[westwall]

Because he didn't do the things required to be a CSM. He was selected and pinned but wasn't actually promoted to the rank. Where's the shame in being a MSgt?

The Balkans war?

He was attempting to put weight behind his antigun stance using his military service. I don't believe it wasn't intentional. Oh and "misspoke" is politician speak for "got caught lying".

Correct. He has claimed multiple times to have been in a combat zone. His campaign only very recently trotted out the "he mispoke" lie because the whole country is blowing up about his lies.

 

[pknopp]

Correct. He has claimed multiple times to have been in a combat zone. His campaign only very recently trotted out the "he mispoke" lie because the whole country is blowing up about his lies.

Does politicians lying bother you?