DeVos: The Atrocious Secretary of Education -Thanks Again Donald!

[TheProgressivePatriot]

These people that, when in power, push their religion into schools need to consider the opposite is also possible as a backlash. That after a new group is elected they will push evolution to be taught mandatory in all churches.

This is what uneducated ignoramously don't understand about life. There are consequences for your actions. When you crap in someone else's backyard then don't be surprised when you wake up to the smell of two tons of manure in yours.

They bypass that and simply try to indoctrinate society that religion is evil to shut it down.

No one wants to shut down religion. You're confusing freedom of religion- which is a founding principal of this country, with religious oppression -which is what the founders feared and fled from.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Devos will leave a mess that Democrats will end up having to clean up. Happens every time.

Yep, every time. Currently Trump is cleaning up Obama's mess.

What mess is that? Never mind.....keep it about DeVos

 

[kwc57]

These people that, when in power, push their religion into schools need to consider the opposite is also possible as a backlash. That after a new group is elected they will push evolution to be taught mandatory in all churches.

This is what uneducated ignoramously don't understand about life. There are consequences for your actions. When you crap in someone else's backyard then don't be surprised when you wake up to the smell of two tons of manure in yours.

They bypass that and simply try to indoctrinate society that religion is evil to shut it down.

No one wants to shut down religion. You're confusing freedom of religion- which is a founding principal of this country, with religious oppression -which is what the founders feared and fled from.

Really? You must not get out much or pay attention to current events. Google is your friend. Here is a couple of examples.

We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and...

Why Religion Must End: Interview with Sam Harris

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

These people that, when in power, push their religion into schools need to consider the opposite is also possible as a backlash. That after a new group is elected they will push evolution to be taught mandatory in all churches.

This is what uneducated ignoramously don't understand about life. There are consequences for your actions. When you crap in someone else's backyard then don't be surprised when you wake up to the smell of two tons of manure in yours.

They bypass that and simply try to indoctrinate society that religion is evil to shut it down.

No one wants to shut down religion. You're confusing freedom of religion- which is a founding principal of this country, with religious oppression -which is what the founders feared and fled from.

Really? You must not get out much or pay attention to current events. Google is your friend. Here is a couple of examples.

We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and...

Why Religion Must End: Interview with Sam Harris

I see how you play. You write something that implies that there is a widespread movement to do a way with religion. Then you are called on it, and you come up with three people who express that view. I'm an atheist and I believe that religion has done more harm than good in the world, but I defend the rights of religious people to take comfort in their mythology, as long as they don't expect others to go along with it and as long as they don't use it as a weapon.

 

[IsaacNewton]

These people that, when in power, push their religion into schools need to consider the opposite is also possible as a backlash. That after a new group is elected they will push evolution to be taught mandatory in all churches.

This is what uneducated ignoramously don't understand about life. There are consequences for your actions. When you crap in someone else's backyard then don't be surprised when you wake up to the smell of two tons of manure in yours.

They bypass that and simply try to indoctrinate society that religion is evil to shut it down.

No one wants to shut down religion. You're confusing freedom of religion- which is a founding principal of this country, with religious oppression -which is what the founders feared and fled from.

Really? You must not get out much or pay attention to current events. Google is your friend. Here is a couple of examples.

We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and...

Why Religion Must End: Interview with Sam Harris

I see how you play. You write something that implies that there is a widespread movement to do a way with religion. Then you are called on it, and you come up with three people who express that view. I'm an atheist and I believe that religion has done more harm than good in the world, but I defend the rights of religious people to take comfort in their mythology, as long as they don't expect others to go along with it and as long as they don't use it as a weapon.

This is one of the short list of phoney answers conservatives have to something they can't defend. Find one example that supports your view and all of what you say is absolute fact and any other view is entirely debunked.

It is one of the tools the weak use because they can't put forth a factual argument.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

These people that, when in power, push their religion into schools need to consider the opposite is also possible as a backlash. That after a new group is elected they will push evolution to be taught mandatory in all churches.

This is what uneducated ignoramously don't understand about life. There are consequences for your actions. When you crap in someone else's backyard then don't be surprised when you wake up to the smell of two tons of manure in yours.

They bypass that and simply try to indoctrinate society that religion is evil to shut it down.

No one wants to shut down religion. You're confusing freedom of religion- which is a founding principal of this country, with religious oppression -which is what the founders feared and fled from.

Really? You must not get out much or pay attention to current events. Google is your friend. Here is a couple of examples.

We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and...

Why Religion Must End: Interview with Sam Harris

I see how you play. You write something that implies that there is a widespread movement to do a way with religion. Then you are called on it, and you come up with three people who express that view. I'm an atheist and I believe that religion has done more harm than good in the world, but I defend the rights of religious people to take comfort in their mythology, as long as they don't expect others to go along with it and as long as they don't use it as a weapon.

This is one of the short list of phoney answer conservatives have to something they can't defend. Find one example that supports your view and all of what you say is absolute fact and any other view is entirely debunked.

It is one of the tools the weak use because they can't put forth a factual argument.

Yes thank you!! They always fall back on logical fallacies because they do not have an actual argument. In this case, it's a hasty generalization fallacy

I also like this one:

No True Scotsman
This fallacy is a form of circular reasoning, in that it attempts to include a conclusion about something in the very definition of the word itself. It is therefore also a semantic argument.

The term comes from the example: If Ian claims that all Scotsman are brave, and you provide a counter example of a Scotsman who is clearly a coward, Ian might respond, “Well, then, he’s no true Scotsman.” In essence Ian claims that all Scotsman are brave by including bravery in the definition of what it is to be a Scotsman. This argument does not establish any facts or new information, and is limited to Ian’s definition of the word, “Scotsman.”

Logical Fallacies

So if one, or a few liberals want to do away with religion, then those who do not are No True Liberals

 

[ScienceRocks]

Same shit as hamas is teaching their children, but it happens to be a different religion.

They hate evidence based thinking and no society worth the shit accepts their brainwashing bs. America is fucking done as a free nation if we accept this.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I advocate the abolishment of the federal Department of Education. There's no authority in the Constitution for the federal government to be dealing with education.

 

[IsaacNewton]

They bypass that and simply try to indoctrinate society that religion is evil to shut it down.

No one wants to shut down religion. You're confusing freedom of religion- which is a founding principal of this country, with religious oppression -which is what the founders feared and fled from.

Really? You must not get out much or pay attention to current events. Google is your friend. Here is a couple of examples.

We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and...

Why Religion Must End: Interview with Sam Harris

I see how you play. You write something that implies that there is a widespread movement to do a way with religion. Then you are called on it, and you come up with three people who express that view. I'm an atheist and I believe that religion has done more harm than good in the world, but I defend the rights of religious people to take comfort in their mythology, as long as they don't expect others to go along with it and as long as they don't use it as a weapon.

This is one of the short list of phoney answer conservatives have to something they can't defend. Find one example that supports your view and all of what you say is absolute fact and any other view is entirely debunked.

It is one of the tools the weak use because they can't put forth a factual argument.

Yes thank you!! They always fall back on logical fallacies because they do not have an actual argument. In this case, it's a hasty generalization fallacy

I also like this one:

No True Scotsman
This fallacy is a form of circular reasoning, in that it attempts to include a conclusion about something in the very definition of the word itself. It is therefore also a semantic argument.

The term comes from the example: If Ian claims that all Scotsman are brave, and you provide a counter example of a Scotsman who is clearly a coward, Ian might respond, “Well, then, he’s no true Scotsman.” In essence Ian claims that all Scotsman are brave by including bravery in the definition of what it is to be a Scotsman. This argument does not establish any facts or new information, and is limited to Ian’s definition of the word, “Scotsman.”

Logical Fallacies

So if one, or a few liberals want to do away with religion, then those who do not are No True Liberals

And watch Fake Fox News or listen to any conservative radio talk show, they use these fallacies nonstop because they know their audience has no clue about critical thinking or what constitutes a coherent argument. For all of conservatives it is always about emotion. Fear and anger. "Be afraid of this and then get angry at them."

And the problem in media with this whole scenario is it takes a much longer time to explain to people what the fallcious argument is and why it has no merit and conservatives do not want to have to think, which simply renders conservative media that much more potent.

If one just looks at a selection of posts here by conservatives they follow this pattern nearly all the time.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I advocate the abolishment of the federal Department of Education. There's no authority in the Constitution for the federal government to be dealing with education.

You're right, It's not . But instead of abolishing Federal support of education, we should be getting up to speed with a good deal of the developed world and ensure high standards for our children. I don't know about you, but I don't want to leave those standards to the local school board of but fuck Texas.

Consider this: Why Doesn't the Constitution Guarantee the Right to Education?

By the report’s latest edition, in 2012, the United States education system sits at 17th place out of 40 countries, and it’s not just behind those socialist Scandinavians. In addition to the classic northern European bloc—Finland (1st), Netherlands (7th), Denmark (9th)—the superior contenders also come from Asia (2nd through 5th), Oceania (New Zealand, 8; Australia, 13), the rest of Europe, and indeed, even Canada (a respectable 10th).

Education” is found in 174 country constitutions—i.e. nearly every single one. For some context, that’s just less than “free” (appearing 176 times), and just more than another term missing from the U.S. Constitution, “health” (170 times).

Do you want this country to be competitive or not. Yes or No?

 

[Unkotare]

Betsy Devos is making changes because our public school system woefully under performs other countries despite spending an enormous amount of money per student.

Our school system is just fine except for mainly minority-dominated inner city schools. Language issues and behavioral problems negate any attempt to educate. That is not the school's fault but society in general. Lack of work ethic is another major problem that you cannot teach.

Additional challenges don’t “negate” teaching OR learning.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Betsy Devos is making changes because our public school system woefully under performs other countries despite spending an enormous amount of money per student.

No, she SHOULD be making changes because of this, she's not making changes for this reason though. She's making changes to make herself richer.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I advocate the abolishment of the federal Department of Education. There's no authority in the Constitution for the federal government to be dealing with education.

You're right, It's not . But instead of abolishing Federal support of education, we should be getting up to speed with a good deal of the developed world and ensure high standards for our children. I don't know about you, but I don't want to leave those standards to the local school board of but fuck Texas.

Consider this: Why Doesn't the Constitution Guarantee the Right to Education?

By the report’s latest edition, in 2012, the United States education system sits at 17th place out of 40 countries, and it’s not just behind those socialist Scandinavians. In addition to the classic northern European bloc—Finland (1st), Netherlands (7th), Denmark (9th)—the superior contenders also come from Asia (2nd through 5th), Oceania (New Zealand, 8; Australia, 13), the rest of Europe, and indeed, even Canada (a respectable 10th).

Education” is found in 174 country constitutions—i.e. nearly every single one. For some context, that’s just less than “free” (appearing 176 times), and just more than another term missing from the U.S. Constitution, “health” (170 times).

Do you want this country to be competitive or not. Yes or No?

Tell me one way in which DeVos is going to make the US more competitive.

 

[ScienceRocks]

People that are jewish, muslim and non-religious should sue to get religious trash removed from the class room.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I advocate the abolishment of the federal Department of Education. There's no authority in the Constitution for the federal government to be dealing with education.

You're right, It's not . But instead of abolishing Federal support of education, we should be getting up to speed with a good deal of the developed world and ensure high standards for our children. I don't know about you, but I don't want to leave those standards to the local school board of but fuck Texas.

Consider this: Why Doesn't the Constitution Guarantee the Right to Education?

By the report’s latest edition, in 2012, the United States education system sits at 17th place out of 40 countries, and it’s not just behind those socialist Scandinavians. In addition to the classic northern European bloc—Finland (1st), Netherlands (7th), Denmark (9th)—the superior contenders also come from Asia (2nd through 5th), Oceania (New Zealand, 8; Australia, 13), the rest of Europe, and indeed, even Canada (a respectable 10th).

Education” is found in 174 country constitutions—i.e. nearly every single one. For some context, that’s just less than “free” (appearing 176 times), and just more than another term missing from the U.S. Constitution, “health” (170 times).

Do you want this country to be competitive or not. Yes or No?

Tell me one way in which DeVos is going to make the US more competitive.

Dhaa... Did I say that she was?? No!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

People that are jewish, muslim and non-religious should sue to get religious trash removed from the class room.

Buddhists, Hindus , Shinto, Janes ....everyone!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Betsy Devos is making changes because our public school system woefully under performs other countries despite spending an enormous amount of money per student.

Our school system is just fine except for mainly minority-dominated inner city schools. Language issues and behavioral problems negate any attempt to educate. That is not the school's fault but society in general. Lack of work ethic is another major problem that you cannot teach.

Additional challenges don’t “negate” teaching OR learning.

You obviously have never taught in an inner city school where over half the kids don't speak English, another quarter speak Ebonics, and the last quarter have English as a second language, and good luck on trying to find anyone that speaks their primary language other then them.

 

[Unkotare]

Betsy Devos is making changes because our public school system woefully under performs other countries despite spending an enormous amount of money per student.

Our school system is just fine except for mainly minority-dominated inner city schools. Language issues and behavioral problems negate any attempt to educate. That is not the school's fault but society in general. Lack of work ethic is another major problem that you cannot teach.

Additional challenges don’t “negate” teaching OR learning.

You obviously have never taught in an inner city school where over half the kids don't speak English, another quarter speak Ebonics, and the last quarter have English as a second language, and good luck on trying to find anyone that speaks their primary language other then them.

That's exactly where I teach every fucking day. Don't try to pull rank on me, champ. I teach where the kids need the kind of help I can give the most. I don't dismiss them as unteachable or give up on them because the work is very, very hard. Things worth doing are very rarely easy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Betsy Devos is making changes because our public school system woefully under performs other countries despite spending an enormous amount of money per student.

Our school system is just fine except for mainly minority-dominated inner city schools. Language issues and behavioral problems negate any attempt to educate. That is not the school's fault but society in general. Lack of work ethic is another major problem that you cannot teach.

Additional challenges don’t “negate” teaching OR learning.

You obviously have never taught in an inner city school where over half the kids don't speak English, another quarter speak Ebonics, and the last quarter have English as a second language, and good luck on trying to find anyone that speaks their primary language other then them.

That's exactly where I teach every fucking day. Don't try to pull rank on me, champ. I teach where the kids need the kind of help I can give the most. I don't dismiss them as unteachable or give up on them because the work is very, very hard. Things worth doing are very rarely easy.

So, tell me oh Teacher Extraordinaire, how do you overcome language difficulties?

 

[longknife]

Betsy Devos is making changes because our public school system woefully under performs other countries despite spending an enormous amount of money per student.

Our school system is just fine except for mainly minority-dominated inner city schools. Language issues and behavioral problems negate any attempt to educate. That is not the school's fault but society in general. Lack of work ethic is another major problem that you cannot teach.

Additional challenges don’t “negate” teaching OR learning.

You obviously have never taught in an inner city school where over half the kids don't speak English, another quarter speak Ebonics, and the last quarter have English as a second language, and good luck on trying to find anyone that speaks their primary language other then them.

That's exactly where I teach every fucking day. Don't try to pull rank on me, champ. I teach where the kids need the kind of help I can give the most. I don't dismiss them as unteachable or give up on them because the work is very, very hard. Things worth doing are very rarely easy.

So, tell me oh Teacher Extraordinaire, how do you overcome language difficulties?

Are you referring to his lack of understanding of the English language?: