DEMOCRATS: Van Jones absolutely NAILS it on CNN

[Curried Goats]

Adamantly disagree. Equal protection is the bedrock of a free, just society.

That's the stuff of fairytales. You've bought into the flowery propaganda. That academic, philosophical gibberish doesnt survive real world applications. Does your steadfast belief in this mean you think everyone should be taxed equally? That criminals should have the same rights as non criminals? What is a just society besides one ordered around what you believe to be just?

LOL - sure. MOAR identity politics! You run with that.

No. Thats a simple question. There were no identities at all in that question. I asked who, if anyone is doing anything for working class families and what are they doing?

 

[dblack]

I was against this type of voting however, over the years I think this will be the only way to get better candidates. The primaries would vastly improve.

Out of curiosity, why were you against it? What changed your mind?

 

[dblack]

That's the stuff of fairytales. You've bought into the flowery propaganda.

No - equal protection is a legitimate political principle. You may want to dismiss it, in favor of government assigned privilege, but I don't.

Does your steadfast belief in this mean you think everyone should be taxed equally?

It does, yes.

That criminals should have the same rights as non criminals?

Until they are convicted, yes.

No. Thats a simple question. There were no identities at all in that question. I asked who, if anyone is doing anything for working class families and what are they doing?

Uh -- "working class families"? Any critique that begins with "what is the government doing for xxx" is injecting identity politics.

 

[Laslow]

Despite the protestations of the right, both sides have embraced identity politics. But it's important to clarify what we're talking about. Identity politics is government that dismisses equal rights in favor of interest group privilege. Under such a regime, your legal rights vary depending on which interest groups you identify with. This is what's envoked when leaders target specific demographics for special attention - focusing on the "working class" (as Laslow has highlighted) is a good example. It can be racial groups, specific industries, religions, various activist groups - basically any group that can front a solid lobbying campaign, or sway a large block of voters.

This is an interesting take. It seems a little strange to think of people who have jobs as a special interest group. The same with religion. In a country with freedom of religion, there is nothing to lobby for on that subject. Mainly it is brought up when churches are burned down or other such instances when it is under attack. It shouldn't be a demographic division when people are supposed to be free to believe in whatever religion they choose. As for working people, the idea is for everyone who is able to work to have a job. This should be an issue that affects everyone. It is not an attack on the disabled or retired. Again, no lobbies or division. Mentioning the working class or religion is not the same thing as a blanket division of us vs them.

 

[dblack]

This is an interesting take. It seems a little strange to think of people who have jobs as a special interest group. The same with religion. In a country with freedom of religion, there is nothing to lobby for on that subject. Mainly it is brought up when churches are burned down or other such instances when it is under attack. It shouldn't be a demographic division when people are supposed to be free to believe in whatever religion they choose. As for working people, the idea is for everyone who is able to work to have a job. This should be an issue that affects everyone. It is not an attack on the disabled or retired. Again, no lobbies or division. Mentioning the working class or religion is not the same thing as a blanket division of us vs them.

Any time you start with "What has the government done for [some group]?", implying they should do more for said group, you're pushing identity politics. And diminishing equal protection and individual rights.

If, as you claim, "working class" covers everyone and implies no division, why use a special term? Why not just say "everyone"?

 

[Failzero]

Whitelash 2.0

 

[BS Filter]

He still doesn't get it. He's thinking in terms of marketing strategy. People are getting hip to that tactic. They wake up fast when they can't afford to fill their car's gas tank or feed their babies.

 

[Theowl32]

I will keep posting this quote from Yuri Bezmenov, ex kgb agent who defected and explained the four stages of marxist take over. This is a small quote about the subversive stage.

Read it. Learn it.

"It takes 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years that it requires to educate one generation of students.

In other words marxism, leninism, and communism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counter balanced by basic American values.

The result you can see. Most of the people who graduated in the 60s, dropouts or half baked intellectuals are now occupying positions of power in the government, civil service, mass media and educational system.

You are stuck with them. You cannot get rid of them. They are contaminated. They are totally programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE THEIR MIND, EVEN IF YOU EXPOSE THEM TO AUTHENTIC INFORMATION. EVEN IF YOU PROVE WHITE IS WHITE AND BLACK IS BLACK, YOU CANNOT CHANGE THE BASIC PERCEPTION AND LOGIC OF BEHAVIOR.

THE PROCESS OF DEMORALIZATION IS COMPLETE AND IRREVERSIBLE."

That was said in 1984 and so we are now at least 5 generations in and we the result. Bugs like this Progressive idiot who need to be shunned and ignored.

Debate is utterly useless.

 

[Laslow]

What you describe here IS identity politics.

Do you think the country should have some form of National Identity. We used to be the land of the free and opportunity. People from oppressed countries used to come here and marvel at a country of free individuals. Now the left is forcing grade school kids to wear masks and claiming there is no American Dream where people can succeed on their own. I used to like it when we were considered a free country to be admired.

 

[Mac1958]

That's what National Socialism is all about.

Perhaps "populism" is just a euphemism.

No way this could happen here, I thought. No way.

 

[whitehall]

Van Jones pretends that democrats lost the election so he can play the victim card. Democrats are happy that MAGA is once more the enemy so they can ignore Biden and concentrate on tranny rights.. How freaking pathetic.

 

[Orangecat]

DEMOCRATS: Van Jones absolutely NAILS it on CNN​

People still watch CNN?

 

[dblack]

Any time you start with "What has the government done for [some group]?", implying they should do more for said group, you're pushing identity politics. And diminishing equal protection and individual rights.

Do you think the country should have some form of National Identity.

No. Certainly not one dictated by the state.

We used to be the land of the free and opportunity. People from oppressed countries used to come here and marvel at a country of free individuals.

Once you all get that wall built, we'll put a stop to that shit!

Now the left is forcing grade school kids to wear masks and claiming there is no American Dream where people can succeed on their own. I used to like it when we were considered a free country to be admired.

Well, if you're cheering for identity politics, you're moving us away from a free country.

 

[Papageorgio]

Out of curiosity, why were you against it? What changed your mind?

Just stuck into traditional ways, however I started reading and learning about the advantages and with the last two Presidential elections being disasters, I thought it couldn't be any worse than what we have currently in place. Also, if you are a serious voter it forces to learn about other candidates so you could rank them. That will give third parties more exposure than just Republican or Democrat. Our country needs to grow and change to be the best and this would be a step forward. The current process is not working, so why stick with it? It seems it is producing worse and worse candidates. Primaries would help encourage candidates to stick around longer as well and create debate, which we are lacking in the party's currently. What reasons are you for it?

 

[odanny]

Trump as divisive and as abrasive as he was addressed the economic fears of the middle class and barely got elected. Had the Democrats been smart enough to nominate someone less divisive and better liked that Hillary, the Democrats would of won the election.

I realized this, that's why I voted for Bernie, but to be honest, neither party had a good candidate for 2016. Bernie was too liberal for most of America, and most of America is not smart enough to understand his economic plan to make the wealthiest Americans start paying more than 8% taxes on their wealth, something that the middle class could never do.

 

[Curried Goats]

No - equal protection is a legitimate political principle. You may want to dismiss it, in favor of government assigned privilege, but I don't.

It does, yes.

Until they are convicted, yes.

So once people are convicted of crimes its okay to treat them differently then people who are not convicted? Well congratulations, you just proved my point. Sometimes there are "good" reasons to treat people differently and politics is the mechanism by which we determine that "good".

Uh -- "working class families"? Any critique that begins with "what is the government doing for xxx" is injecting identity politics.

You don't recognize working class families as a group of people with particular sociopolitical concerns?

 

[Laslow]

That's what National Socialism is all about.

I agree that people are swinging back to things like parents rights. Aren't parents rights a good thing? I disagree with people moving left economically. People got a good dose of that and they have had enough.

 

[Laslow]

Perhaps "populism" is just a euphemism.

No way this could happen here, I thought. No way.

What exactly is going wrong in your view? How is populism such a threat? We have spending bills where not even the politicians know what is going on, and you are upset that people want some measure of say in how they live their lives?

 

[Failzero]

What exactly is going wrong in your view? How is populism such a threat? We have spending bills where not even the politicians know what is going on, and you are upset that people want some measure of say in how they live their lives?

Nationalist Populism
Has a nice ring to it

 

[Laslow]

No. Certainly not one dictated by the state.

Once you all get that wall built, we'll put a stop to that shit!

Well, if you're cheering for identity politics, you're moving us away from a free country.

Having a wall and a border bothers you? If people thought of us as free, the wall isn't what will tell them we are lost. I'd say it is the use of the IRS and the FBI against its own citizens. The left is having an authoritarian field day.