Democrats keep saying "no scotus until the people decide"

[Toddsterpatriot]

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

We'll worry about that for his 3rd and 4th nominations.

 

[Faun]

From February, 2016, when Scalia died, to January, 2017, when Obama left office. 11 months.

But suuure, there’s no difference between 4 months and 11 months, so there must not be a difference between 11 months and 72 months.

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Great, so using your logic,

My logic?
The logic we're discussing here is the Senate holding up a nomination until a new President is elected, not a President holding up a nomination until a new Senate is elected.

Who said anything about holding up a nomination until a new Senate is elected?

 

[Auld Phart]

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

 

[Faun]

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

We'll worry about that for his 3rd and 4th nominations.

Of course you will. That’s my point.

 

[deanrd]

Thing is the people already decided when the GOP hijacked the process under Obama. Like that act or not it put the direction of the court FIRMLY in the hands of the voter.
Voters chose and the left lost so why hold up more nominees when the people have already spoken?

And spare me the popular vote or Russia Russia Russia bullshit.

OMG! Trump feels we don't need friends. We've got Russia and North Korea. Does the GOP agree?

So you are saying who are friends are is settled?

 

[Faun]

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

 

[Slyhunter]

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

Then they'll lose their seats in 2018 for being for nothing just obstructionists.

 

[Auld Phart]

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

No


the Biden Rule, from 25 years ago.

 

[John Shaw]

In reality, the American people don't matter. What matters is money. Lobbyists. Big business. Washington. Your piddly little vote is worthless.

What difference do the democrats even think midterms would make? Short of an extremely unlikely outcome, republicans keep the senate.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Not for 11 months.

9 months, 23 months. Not unprecedented.

From February, 2016, when Scalia died, to January, 2017, when Obama left office. 11 months.

But suuure, there’s no difference between 4 months and 11 months, so there must not be a difference between 11 months and 72 months.

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Interesting point.

 

[Cecilie1200]

9 months, 23 months. Not unprecedented.

From February, 2016, when Scalia died, to January, 2017, when Obama left office. 11 months.

But suuure, there’s no difference between 4 months and 11 months, so there must not be a difference between 11 months and 72 months.

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Nope, 'cause he's talking about the Presidency, and this year is not a Presidential election.

 

[Faun]

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

Then they'll lose their seats in 2018 for being for nothing just obstructionists.

You mean like Republicans did in 2016?

 

[Faun]

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

No


the Biden Rule, from 25 years ago.

Biden never condoned denying a president a Supreme Court appointment for the remainder of their term. That’s the McConnell rule.

 

[Faun]

From February, 2016, when Scalia died, to January, 2017, when Obama left office. 11 months.

But suuure, there’s no difference between 4 months and 11 months, so there must not be a difference between 11 months and 72 months.

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Nope, 'cause he's talking about the Presidency, and this year is not a Presidential election.

The Senate’s up for grabs and they advise & consent. So yeah, the people will decide.

 

[debbiedowner]

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

Then they'll lose their seats in 2018 for being for nothing just obstructionists.

You mean like Republicans did in 2016?

The dems need to let this guy sail through he's a moderate more like Kennedy.

 

[Faun]

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

Then they'll lose their seats in 2018 for being for nothing just obstructionists.

You mean like Republicans did in 2016?

The dems need to let this guy sail through he's a moderate more like Kennedy.

There’s nothing Democrats can do to prevent Republicans from confirming Kavanaugh. It’s not about Kennedy’s seat. Kennedy is a conservative and he’ll be replaced by s conservative. This is about Ginsberg’s or Breyer’s seat. Democrats need to win the Senate in November to ensure Trump can’t replace a Liberal with s conservative.

 

[John Shaw]

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

Then they'll lose their seats in 2018 for being for nothing just obstructionists.

You mean like Republicans did in 2016?

The dems need to let this guy sail through he's a moderate more like Kennedy.

There’s nothing Democrats can do to prevent Republicans from confirming Kavanaugh. It’s not about Kennedy’s seat. Kennedy is a conservative and he’ll be replaced by s conservative. This is about Ginsberg’s or Breyer’s seat. Democrats need to win the Senate in November to ensure Trump can’t replace a Liberal with s conservative.

Not happening. MAYBE if the democrats were actually skilled politicians. Too bad they're actually unskilled hacks.

 

[debbiedowner]

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

Then they'll lose their seats in 2018 for being for nothing just obstructionists.

You mean like Republicans did in 2016?

The dems need to let this guy sail through he's a moderate more like Kennedy.

There’s nothing Democrats can do to prevent Republicans from confirming Kavanaugh. It’s not about Kennedy’s seat. Kennedy is a conservative and he’ll be replaced by s conservative. This is about Ginsberg’s or Breyer’s seat. Democrats need to win the Senate in November to ensure Trump can’t replace a Liberal with s conservative.

Not happening. MAYBE if the democrats were actually skilled politicians. Too bad they're actually unskilled hacks.

If they ever want to take the high road it would be now, but you're probably right.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Henry Baldwin died April 21, 1844.
His replacement wasn't confirmed until Aug 3, 1846.
Over 27 months.


Smith Thompson died December 18, 1843
His replacement wasn't confirmed until February 4, 1845.
Over 13 months.


Henry Stanbery nominated Apr 1866.
No action until December 1869.
44 months.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Not the same thing. McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices. The people picked Obama in 2012. The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

Again you're talking about nominees by people who were not elected president?

Yes, I'm talking about nominations by Presidents.

Not the same thing.

You'll have to show me where the Constitution gives the appointment power to Presidents, only if they are elected.

McConnell said the people should pick the person to decide USSC justices.

Yes, that's what he said.

The people picked Obama in 2012.

The people picked Trump in 2016.

The people did not pick Tyler or Johnson to be president.

They weren't on the ticket?

Great, so using your logic, the people get to pick again this November when the Senate is up for grabs.

Great, so using your logic,

My logic?
The logic we're discussing here is the Senate holding up a nomination until a new President is elected, not a President holding up a nomination until a new Senate is elected.

Who said anything about holding up a nomination until a new Senate is elected?

Mostly libs.

 

[Auld Phart]

Will there be a different president?

No, but there might be a different party in control of the Senate.

and if there is?


are they going to claim to be better than the McConnell Senate, by blocking his picks.

and how many are they going to block?

2 years of nominees?

4?

6?

all that is going to do is prove their own hypocrisy.

They’ll block them all until there’s a new president. And thst’s not hypocrisy — it’s in accordance with the McConnell Rule.

No


the Biden Rule, from 25 years ago.

Biden never condoned denying a president a Supreme Court appointment for the remainder of their term. That’s the McConnell rule.

BULLSHIT

""Some will criticize such a decision and say it was nothing more than an attempt to save a seat on the court in the hopes that a Democrat will be permitted to fill it. But that would not be our intention, Mr. President, if that were the course we were to choose in the Senate — to not consider holding hearings until after the election. Instead, it would be our pragmatic conclusion that once the political season is under way, and it is, action on a Supreme Court nomination must be put off until after the election campaign is over.""