Democrats backing away from Obamacare?

[g5000]

The dumb ObamaCare ***** are going to be completely shocked when special interests corrupt all their big plans with boatloads of cash.

The more you concentrate power at the top, the easier it is to capture, you morons. When will you ever FIGURE IT OUT!!?!??

 

[g5000]

Yeah then when you have cancer and it will cost a fortune to treat you. You will get a pain pill to keep you comfortable the rest of your days.

Wait, are you referring to our system now? Sure sounds like it. I agree though, we can't have that type of system. Medical costs should never cause someone to go bankrupt, glad we can agree on that.

No, government healthcare is the worst thing we could do.

So you say. But reality says otherwise.

Where has there ever been a successful healthcare system that didn't have government involved? Our system is already the most privatized system of any 1st world country. So where is your proof?

I know you don't have any, but it's funny to ask and watch you ignore it.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, home, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call ANY insurance company in the country, and order the health insurance options that I want.

This would give me far more leverage than we have now. You are hostage to whatever single insurance company plan your employer offers you. And a small employer has zero leverage with an insurance company. And the insurance company's leverage is weakened by being forced to work with a limited number of health care providers.

Employer-sponsored health insurance drives the health care cost curve UP!

What's more, the government has weaseled its way into the health care market and GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

How's that been working out?

And now, with ObamaCare, the government has taken over your health care even more. It tells you what you must buy, it is the gatekeeper to the exchange you must buy your insurance from if you can't get it at work, and it is the gatekeeper that decides which insurers get to be listed on the exchange.

"Sorry, you didn't contribute enough campaign cash to our committee."

You can still pick up the phone and get health insurance.

There are not enough people in the market to make it competitive.

EVERYONE should be buying their health insurance this way. Just like EVERYONE buys their auto insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their home insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their life insurance that way.

You don't see a government senior citizen auto insurance, do you? You don't see a government low income auto insurance, do you? "Sign up for AutoCare today!"

We need LESS government interference in the market, not more.

 

[g5000]

ObamaCare was a classic bait and switch con.

That whole "not one dime" thing about deficits. That whole thing about bending the cost curve down. You had dumb rubes parroting propaganda about the US having the highest per capita health care costs in the Universe with the plain implication that ObamaCare would change that.

And yet there were obvious provisions which made it screamingly obvious ObamaCare had nothing to do with bending the cost curve downward. The employer mandate was the dead giveaway. And Obama personally pencil whipping the floor at which Cadillac plans would be taxed, raising it higher than at what the Democrats in Congress had set it.

Obama lied when he said BEFORE ACA was passed:
“I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

THE MYTH OF THE 46 MILLION
The truth behind everybody's favorite health care statistic.
The Myth of the 46 Million

Then he lied when he said: ""Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition," Half would be 155 million people of the then 310 million.
Another grossly wrong outright lie! This gave the impression 155 million Americans were not able to get insurance!
1) 85% of Americans have coverage... that means 266 million so where in the hell did Obama come up with "half"?
2) Facts: a total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

But remember Obama KNEW he had to lie and he counted on as his Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber who said that lack of transparency was a major part of getting Obamacare passed because “the stupidity of the American voter” would have killed the law if more people knew what was in it.
Obamacare Architect: Lack of Transparency Was Key Because ‘Stupidity Of The American Voter’ Would Have Killed Obamacare

So Obamacare was constructed out of lies and it was NEVER NEVER NECESSARY!

At best, there were 25 million involuntarily uninsured Americans.

About 7 percent of the population.

To **** over the entire country because there were 7 percent involuntarily uninsured is one of the biggest boondoggles in the history of the world.

And one third of those involuntarily uninsured were high school dropouts. Those are the freeloaders the rest of us have to carry on our backs for their entire lives.

 

[Staidhup]

As so clearly demonstrated by the statements of those in favor of Obama Care Act, they fail to understand the math, manipulation, and implications of the Cadillac Tax, but then again, what else can one expect from sheep. The Cadillac Tax is just one of many legislative shortcomings of Obama care that will come to haunt those that actually pay taxes and are in need of medical care.

 

[Misty]

ObamaCare was a classic bait and switch con.

That whole "not one dime" thing about deficits. That whole thing about bending the cost curve down. You had dumb rubes parroting propaganda about the US having the highest per capita health care costs in the Universe with the plain implication that ObamaCare would change that.

And yet there were obvious provisions which made it screamingly obvious ObamaCare had nothing to do with bending the cost curve downward. The employer mandate was the dead giveaway. And Obama personally pencil whipping the floor at which Cadillac plans would be taxed, raising it higher than at what the Democrats in Congress had set it.

Obama lied when he said BEFORE ACA was passed:
“I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

THE MYTH OF THE 46 MILLION
The truth behind everybody's favorite health care statistic.
The Myth of the 46 Million

Then he lied when he said: ""Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition," Half would be 155 million people of the then 310 million.
Another grossly wrong outright lie! This gave the impression 155 million Americans were not able to get insurance!
1) 85% of Americans have coverage... that means 266 million so where in the hell did Obama come up with "half"?
2) Facts: a total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

But remember Obama KNEW he had to lie and he counted on as his Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber who said that lack of transparency was a major part of getting Obamacare passed because “the stupidity of the American voter” would have killed the law if more people knew what was in it.
Obamacare Architect: Lack of Transparency Was Key Because ‘Stupidity Of The American Voter’ Would Have Killed Obamacare

So Obamacare was constructed out of lies and it was NEVER NEVER NECESSARY!

15 % still don't have insurance and probably never will. Or so they say. Who knows.

This was all a scam because the insurance companies lobbied the **** out of Washington, giving millions to political parties to get this passed.

 

[healthmyths]

ObamaCare was a classic bait and switch con.

That whole "not one dime" thing about deficits. That whole thing about bending the cost curve down. You had dumb rubes parroting propaganda about the US having the highest per capita health care costs in the Universe with the plain implication that ObamaCare would change that.

And yet there were obvious provisions which made it screamingly obvious ObamaCare had nothing to do with bending the cost curve downward. The employer mandate was the dead giveaway. And Obama personally pencil whipping the floor at which Cadillac plans would be taxed, raising it higher than at what the Democrats in Congress had set it.

Obama lied when he said BEFORE ACA was passed:
“I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

THE MYTH OF THE 46 MILLION
The truth behind everybody's favorite health care statistic.
The Myth of the 46 Million

Then he lied when he said: ""Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition," Half would be 155 million people of the then 310 million.
Another grossly wrong outright lie! This gave the impression 155 million Americans were not able to get insurance!
1) 85% of Americans have coverage... that means 266 million so where in the hell did Obama come up with "half"?
2) Facts: a total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

But remember Obama KNEW he had to lie and he counted on as his Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber who said that lack of transparency was a major part of getting Obamacare passed because “the stupidity of the American voter” would have killed the law if more people knew what was in it.
Obamacare Architect: Lack of Transparency Was Key Because ‘Stupidity Of The American Voter’ Would Have Killed Obamacare

So Obamacare was constructed out of lies and it was NEVER NEVER NECESSARY!

At best, there were 25 million involuntarily uninsured Americans.

About 7 percent of the population.

To **** over the entire country because there were 7 percent involuntarily uninsured is one of the biggest boondoggles in the history of the world.

NO the MYTH article show that of the 46 million..
1) 10 million illegals not eligible Proof from the Census: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
2) 14 million including 9 million children didn't know BEFORE ACA they were eligible for Medicaid. All they needed to do was register.
Proof:http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance. Could afford employers' plans as they make over $50k. That left 4 million.
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
There have never been 46 million UNINSURED AMERICANS but less then 4 million!

Less then 4 million and taxing lawyers LIKE ACA taxes tanning salons 10% would have provided $27 billion a year or a $5,000 annual premium for every one
of the 4 million that wanted and needed health insurance!

 

[healthmyths]

ObamaCare was a classic bait and switch con.

That whole "not one dime" thing about deficits. That whole thing about bending the cost curve down. You had dumb rubes parroting propaganda about the US having the highest per capita health care costs in the Universe with the plain implication that ObamaCare would change that.

And yet there were obvious provisions which made it screamingly obvious ObamaCare had nothing to do with bending the cost curve downward. The employer mandate was the dead giveaway. And Obama personally pencil whipping the floor at which Cadillac plans would be taxed, raising it higher than at what the Democrats in Congress had set it.

Obama lied when he said BEFORE ACA was passed:
“I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.”

THE MYTH OF THE 46 MILLION
The truth behind everybody's favorite health care statistic.
The Myth of the 46 Million

Then he lied when he said: ""Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition," Half would be 155 million people of the then 310 million.
Another grossly wrong outright lie! This gave the impression 155 million Americans were not able to get insurance!
1) 85% of Americans have coverage... that means 266 million so where in the hell did Obama come up with "half"?
2) Facts: a total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

But remember Obama KNEW he had to lie and he counted on as his Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber who said that lack of transparency was a major part of getting Obamacare passed because “the stupidity of the American voter” would have killed the law if more people knew what was in it.
Obamacare Architect: Lack of Transparency Was Key Because ‘Stupidity Of The American Voter’ Would Have Killed Obamacare

So Obamacare was constructed out of lies and it was NEVER NEVER NECESSARY!

15 % still don't have insurance and probably never will. Or so they say. Who knows.

This was all a scam because the insurance companies lobbied the **** out of Washington, giving millions to political parties to get this passed.

Where is your proof of "15%"?
Did you NOT follow the above links:
Here:
1) 10 million illegals not eligible Proof from the Census: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
2) 14 million including 9 million children didn't know BEFORE ACA they were eligible for Medicaid. All they needed to do was register.
Proof:http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf
3) 18 million under 34 don't NEED insurance. Could afford employers' plans as they make over $50k. That left 4 million.
CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
There have never been 46 million UNINSURED AMERICANS but less then 4 million!

 

[BlueGin]

We can only hope.

Just keep being the lemming you are, right over the cliff.

Yeah access to affordable healthcare for everyone will send us right over the cliff. Scary!!

It's not access to affordable care. It's forced on people. And it's not any more affordable than it was before. It's just now you have to get it or pay a tax.

I'm referring to us hopefully one day moving to a single payer system.

Great, lets make our health care like the DMV.

Now there is a scary thought

 

[healthmyths]

Wait, are you referring to our system now? Sure sounds like it. I agree though, we can't have that type of system. Medical costs should never cause someone to go bankrupt, glad we can agree on that.

No, government healthcare is the worst thing we could do.

So you say. But reality says otherwise.

Where has there ever been a successful healthcare system that didn't have government involved? Our system is already the most privatized system of any 1st world country. So where is your proof?

I know you don't have any, but it's funny to ask and watch you ignore it.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, home, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call ANY insurance company in the country, and order the health insurance options that I want.

This would give me far more leverage than we have now. You are hostage to whatever single insurance company plan your employer offers you. And a small employer has zero leverage with an insurance company. And the insurance company's leverage is weakened by being forced to work with a limited number of health care providers.

Employer-sponsored health insurance drives the health care cost curve UP!

What's more, the government has weaseled its way into the health care market and GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

How's that been working out?

And now, with ObamaCare, the government has taken over your health care even more. It tells you what you must buy, it is the gatekeeper to the exchange you must buy your insurance from if you can't get it at work, and it is the gatekeeper that decides which insurers get to be listed on the exchange.

"Sorry, you didn't contribute enough campaign cash to our committee."

You can still pick up the phone and get health insurance.

There are not enough people in the market to make it competitive.

EVERYONE should be buying their health insurance this way. Just like EVERYONE buys their auto insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their home insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their life insurance that way.

You don't see a government senior citizen auto insurance, do you? You don't see a government low income auto insurance, do you? "Sign up for AutoCare today!"

We need LESS government interference in the market, not more.

YOU are 100% correct!
The problem is very simple.
2 events have occurred over the last 30 years:
A) 1986 EMTALA act... look it up
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.
So what happens is hospitals OVERCHARGE insurance companies and those that can pay i.e. $10 aspirin!
Just as this hospital CEO when asked: "How do hospitals deal with the cost of the uninsured? Like any business, we pass it on to the paying customers.”
B) $850 billion a year insurance companies, individuals pay out in what is called "Defensive Medical Practices".
Again see this link for more details http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf

Proof is 90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year.
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act.
Who were they? Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"??? 1946 Tort reform!

As a result rather then go to court and fight malpractice lawsuits ... insurance companies settle 94% of all suits out of court! Why? Because they recover these costs by charging higher premiums! That simple.

SOLUTION is
A) the Uninsured Health Insurance Company (UHIC) that contracts with any hospital that wants their "uninsured" costs paid i.e. file claims.
B) Revenue to UHIC comes from above participating hospitals AND from 10% tax on lawyers that declines as the $850 billion a year in defensive medicine costs decline!
This $27 billion in revenue will provide a $5,000/person per year premium for each of the means tested 4 million that are truly uninsured!

NO changes in any laws other then REPEALING that gigantic f...k UP ACA!!!

 

[g5000]

This was all a scam because the insurance companies lobbied the **** out of Washington, giving millions to political parties to get this passed.

Busted! Health Insurers Secretly Spent Huge To Defeat Health Care Reform While Pretending To Support Obamacare

 

[Misty]

Wait, are you referring to our system now? Sure sounds like it. I agree though, we can't have that type of system. Medical costs should never cause someone to go bankrupt, glad we can agree on that.

No, government healthcare is the worst thing we could do.

So you say. But reality says otherwise.

Where has there ever been a successful healthcare system that didn't have government involved? Our system is already the most privatized system of any 1st world country. So where is your proof?

I know you don't have any, but it's funny to ask and watch you ignore it.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, home, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call ANY insurance company in the country, and order the health insurance options that I want.

This would give me far more leverage than we have now. You are hostage to whatever single insurance company plan your employer offers you. And a small employer has zero leverage with an insurance company. And the insurance company's leverage is weakened by being forced to work with a limited number of health care providers.

Employer-sponsored health insurance drives the health care cost curve UP!

What's more, the government has weaseled its way into the health care market and GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

How's that been working out?

And now, with ObamaCare, the government has taken over your health care even more. It tells you what you must buy, it is the gatekeeper to the exchange you must buy your insurance from if you can't get it at work, and it is the gatekeeper that decides which insurers get to be listed on the exchange.

"Sorry, you didn't contribute enough campaign cash to our committee."

You can still pick up the phone and get health insurance.

There are not enough people in the market to make it competitive.

EVERYONE should be buying their health insurance this way. Just like EVERYONE buys their auto insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their home insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their life insurance that way.

You don't see a government senior citizen auto insurance, do you? You don't see a government low income auto insurance, do you? "Sign up for AutoCare today!"

We need LESS government interference in the market, not more.

I agree we need less government interference but once they have the power they rarely if ever give it up.

Do you remember when no one had auto insurance? Now it's a law. Is it a good law? I honestly don't know.

 

[Zander]

Obamacare is so great!! It saved every family $2500 and lowered the deficit! It's a miracle!!

I still remember when it passed...........this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America!!

 

[g5000]

No, government healthcare is the worst thing we could do.

So you say. But reality says otherwise.

Where has there ever been a successful healthcare system that didn't have government involved? Our system is already the most privatized system of any 1st world country. So where is your proof?

I know you don't have any, but it's funny to ask and watch you ignore it.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, home, and life insurance. I should be able to pick up the phone and call ANY insurance company in the country, and order the health insurance options that I want.

This would give me far more leverage than we have now. You are hostage to whatever single insurance company plan your employer offers you. And a small employer has zero leverage with an insurance company. And the insurance company's leverage is weakened by being forced to work with a limited number of health care providers.

Employer-sponsored health insurance drives the health care cost curve UP!

What's more, the government has weaseled its way into the health care market and GETS TO WRITE THE RULES FOR ITS COMPETITORS.

How's that been working out?

And now, with ObamaCare, the government has taken over your health care even more. It tells you what you must buy, it is the gatekeeper to the exchange you must buy your insurance from if you can't get it at work, and it is the gatekeeper that decides which insurers get to be listed on the exchange.

"Sorry, you didn't contribute enough campaign cash to our committee."

You can still pick up the phone and get health insurance.

There are not enough people in the market to make it competitive.

EVERYONE should be buying their health insurance this way. Just like EVERYONE buys their auto insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their home insurance that way. Just like EVERYONE buys their life insurance that way.

You don't see a government senior citizen auto insurance, do you? You don't see a government low income auto insurance, do you? "Sign up for AutoCare today!"

We need LESS government interference in the market, not more.

I agree we need less government interference but once they have the power they rarely if ever give it up.

Do you remember when no one had auto insurance? Now it's a law. Is it a good law? I honestly don't know.

Compulsory auto insurance is decided at the state level, not the federal level.

 

[mudwhistle]

Clearly the winning and defining issue for the Gop. It's worked every time.

Nope......the Stimulus was before Obamacare. Massive government spending is the winner. Government intrusion into our lives. That's the winner.

 

[regent]

In a divided government with two political parties, seldom is a perfect bill passed into law. It may take years of tinkering and bickering before the law becomes as effective as it should have been when first passed. Look at the changes to the Social Security Act and similar laws that have taken place over the years since 1936, and one can wonder why didn't they pass the bills as the laws now stand? Passing imperfect bills to be law is one of the shortcomings of a democracy.

 

[SwimExpert]

Look at the changes to the Social Security Act...

And it still sucks after nearly a century. Repeal Obamacare AND Social Security!

 

[Auld Phart]

Look at the changes to the Social Security Act...

And it still sucks after nearly a century. Repeal Obamacare AND Social Security!

Repeal Obamacare AND Social Security!

Modify Social Security.

anyone making over $100,000 annually after retiring doesn't need it.

 

[Zander]

Look at the changes to the Social Security Act...

And it still sucks after nearly a century. Repeal Obamacare AND Social Security!

Repeal Obamacare AND Social Security!

Modify Social Security.

anyone making over $100,000 annually after retiring doesn't need it.

I disagree.

If you paid in you should get your benefits, regardless of your income or net worth. It's not a welfare program.

Slowly raising the retirement age is more sensible.

 

[SwimExpert]

If you paid in you should get your benefits, regardless of your income or net worth. It's not a welfare program.

Slowly raising the retirement age is more sensible.

Raising the retirement age is proof positive that nobody "pays in" to Social Security anymore than we "pay in" to the taxes that are used to build a highway on the other side of the country.

 

[Zander]

If you paid in you should get your benefits, regardless of your income or net worth. It's not a welfare program.

Slowly raising the retirement age is more sensible.

Raising the retirement age is proof positive that nobody "pays in" to Social Security anymore than we "pay in" to the taxes that are used to build a highway on the other side of the country.

Sorry, but I don't see your point.