Democrats Are Once Again Sabotaging Desperately Needed Social Security Reform

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In just 10 years, per the Social Security Administration itself, Social Security (SS) revenue will only cover 75% of scheduled benefits (LINK). How did we get here? Here's how: Every time Republicans have tried to enact sane, reasonable SS reform, Democrats have screamed bloody murder, and have scared many SS recipients into believing the lie that their benefits are going to be cut. This is exactly what is happening right now with the latest Republican SS reform proposal.

The Republican Study Committee has proposed the modest, rational, and badly needed reform of gradually raise the SS retirement from 67 to 69. This proposal would not affect anyone who is already on SS. It would not affect anyone who is over 60 but who is not yet drawing SS. For those who are now 59, their SS retirement age would increase three months per year beginning in 2026, and the retirement age would reach 69 for those who turn 62 in 2033.

But you'd never know this to hear how Democrats are spinning it. We have a thread in this forum that claims that the GOP is proposing to "cut SS benefits" (So in spite of the promise not to cut SS benefits). Democratic talking heads are already popping up on talk shows to spread this same propaganda, yet they offer no solutions of their own to the impending SS shortfall, except to "tax the rich."

Folks, the only viable, rational way to save SS is to (1) raise the SS retirement age for full benefits by a few years, (2) remove the cap on the amount of earnings that are subject to the SS tax (the payroll tax), (3) impose a 20% reduction in SS benefits for people aged 50 and under (giving them at least 12 years to prepare for the reduced level of benefits), (4) impose a means test for receiving SS benefits (so that people with a comfortable or affluent private retirement income receive a reduced benefit on a sliding scale), and (5) do what many state pension funds have done for years: allow people the option to have part of their SS taxes invested in conservative mutual funds and bonds.

Some may recall a previous thread of mine where I tried to get Democrats to offer proposals for saving SS. Their only proposal was to jack up taxes on the rich enough to cover any shortfall. That is not a viable solution, neither politically nor economically. The tax increase that would be required to cover the SS shortfall would be prohibitive and confiscatory. Adjusting the amount of benefits and the criteria for receiving them has to be part of the solution.
 
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In just 10 years, per the Social Security Administration itself, Social Security (SS) revenue will only cover 75% of scheduled benefits (LINK). How did we get here? Here's how: Every time Republicans have tried to enact sane, reasonable SS reform, Democrats have screamed bloody murder, and have scared many SS recipients into believing the lie that their benefits are going to be cut. This is exactly what is happening right now with the latest Republican SS reform proposal.
I oppose raising the full retirement age, but I do support raising the early retirement age from 62 to 63.
Folks, the only viable, rational way to save SS is to (1) raise the SS retirement age for full benefits by a few years,
Nope. 67 is old enough.
(2) remove the cap on the amount of earnings that are subject to the SS tax (the payroll tax),
This by itself would fix SS. No other actions needed. Or, the cap could be doubled with other "fixes"
(3) impose a 20% reduction in SS benefits for people aged 50 and under (giving them at least 12 years to prepare for the reduced level of benefits),
Fuck that
(4) impose a means test for receiving SS benefits (so that people with a comfortable or affluent private retirement income receive a reduced benefit on a sliding scale), and
Steal what they've earned? Fuck that.
(5) do what many state pension funds have done for years: allow people the option to have part of their SS taxes invested in conservative mutual funds and bonds.
SS is not a 401k. A better solution is to have EVERY worker in the US especially all government workers, pay into SS in lieu of their cushy government pensions.
 
Basically, nothing has been done in 41 years (since 1983) to SS to assure its viability when the FRA was increased from 65 to age 66 and 10 months.

Either nothing of substance was proposed or just "tax the rich" schemes.
 
Social security and the welfare payout are the only big hammer left in the toolbox for people control and fear mongering. It is not about to be addressed.
 
I oppose raising the full retirement age, but I do support raising the early retirement age from 62 to 63.

Nope. 67 is old enough.

This by itself would fix SS. No other actions needed. Or, the cap could be doubled with other "fixes"

Fuck that

Steal what they've earned? Fuck that.

SS is not a 401k. A better solution is to have EVERY worker in the US especially all government workers, pay into SS in lieu of their cushy government pensions.
To your last point, have you noticed that Government employees get exempted from the programs that regular taxpayers are forced into - so that the govt employees get to keep the better deal?

Same thing happened with Obamacare. Regular people were forced onto an inferior program while the exalted government goof-offs got to stay on their better programs - paid for by the regular people.
 
In just 10 years, per the Social Security Administration itself, Social Security (SS) revenue will only cover 75% of scheduled benefits (LINK). How did we get here? Here's how: Every time Republicans have tried to enact sane, reasonable SS reform, Democrats have screamed bloody murder, and have scared many SS recipients into believing the lie that their benefits are going to be cut. This is exactly what is happening right now with the latest Republican SS reform proposal.

The Republican Study Committee has proposed the modest, rational, and badly needed reform of gradually raise the SS retirement from 67 to 69. This proposal would not affect anyone who is already on SS. It would not affect anyone who is over 60 but who is not yet drawing SS. For those who are now 59, their SS retirement age would increase three months per year beginning in 2026, and the retirement age would reach 69 for those who turn 62 in 2033.

But you'd never know this to hear how Democrats are spinning it. We have a thread in this forum that claims that the GOP is proposing to "cut SS benefits" (So in spite of the promise not to cut SS benefits). Democratic talking heads are already popping up on talk shows to spread this same propaganda, yet they offer no solutions of their own to the impending SS shortfall, except to "tax the rich."

Folks, the only viable, rational way to save SS is to (1) raise the SS retirement age for full benefits by a few years, (2) remove the cap on the amount of earnings that are subject to the SS tax (the payroll tax), (3) impose a 20% reduction in SS benefits for people aged 50 and under (giving them at least 12 years to prepare for the reduced level of benefits), (4) impose a means test for receiving SS benefits (so that people with a comfortable or affluent private retirement income receive a reduced benefit on a sliding scale), and (5) do what many state pension funds have done for years: allow people the option to have part of their SS taxes invested in conservative mutual funds and bonds.

Some may recall a previous thread of mine where I tried to get Democrats to offer proposals for saving SS. Their only proposal was to jack up taxes on the rich enough to cover any shortfall. That is not a viable solution, neither politically nor economically. The tax increase that would be required to cover the SS shortfall would be prohibitive and confiscatory. Adjusting the amount of benefits and the criteria for receiving them has to be part of the solution.
If you combine just the first two options, the changes could be modest. The FRA could be increased by one year to 68, and the cap could be raised to $200,000. Add in the tens of billions well save by eliminating all the waste and abuse, and the problem is solved.
 
To your last point, have you noticed that Government employees get exempted from the programs that regular taxpayers are forced into - so that the govt employees get to keep the better deal?

Same thing happened with Obamacare. Regular people were forced onto an inferior program while the exalted government goof-offs got to stay on their better programs - paid for by the regular people.

Would it help if I said thank you? :laughing0301:

BTW.....I pay near $700.00 a month for "congress critter" insurance.
 
GOP have a retirement plan which has a scene from Logan's Run...

While all the other first world countries are talking about how to give their workers more time off and create better work life balance because technology has improved our lives... If we leverage this tech advances we can have more free time...

GOP version: More Tech mean more productivity which makes more profit which goes to Shareholders & Owners, the Ownership Class...
Note: 3 people in US have are wealthier than the combined 50% of US Citizens. That is the tip of the iceberg in the ownership class...


Workers should work longer in life because we can work them harder.
 
In just 10 years, per the Social Security Administration itself, Social Security (SS) revenue will only cover 75% of scheduled benefits (LINK). How did we get here? Here's how: Every time Republicans have tried to enact sane, reasonable SS reform, Democrats have screamed bloody murder, and have scared many SS recipients into believing the lie that their benefits are going to be cut. This is exactly what is happening right now with the latest Republican SS reform proposal.

The Republican Study Committee has proposed the modest, rational, and badly needed reform of gradually raise the SS retirement from 67 to 69. This proposal would not affect anyone who is already on SS. It would not affect anyone who is over 60 but who is not yet drawing SS. For those who are now 59, their SS retirement age would increase three months per year beginning in 2026, and the retirement age would reach 69 for those who turn 62 in 2033.

But you'd never know this to hear how Democrats are spinning it. We have a thread in this forum that claims that the GOP is proposing to "cut SS benefits" (So in spite of the promise not to cut SS benefits). Democratic talking heads are already popping up on talk shows to spread this same propaganda, yet they offer no solutions of their own to the impending SS shortfall, except to "tax the rich."

Folks, the only viable, rational way to save SS is to (1) raise the SS retirement age for full benefits by a few years, (2) remove the cap on the amount of earnings that are subject to the SS tax (the payroll tax), (3) impose a 20% reduction in SS benefits for people aged 50 and under (giving them at least 12 years to prepare for the reduced level of benefits), (4) impose a means test for receiving SS benefits (so that people with a comfortable or affluent private retirement income receive a reduced benefit on a sliding scale), and (5) do what many state pension funds have done for years: allow people the option to have part of their SS taxes invested in conservative mutual funds and bonds.

Some may recall a previous thread of mine where I tried to get Democrats to offer proposals for saving SS. Their only proposal was to jack up taxes on the rich enough to cover any shortfall. That is not a viable solution, neither politically nor economically. The tax increase that would be required to cover the SS shortfall would be prohibitive and confiscatory. Adjusting the amount of benefits and the criteria for receiving them has to be part of the solution.
The current crop of Republicans can’t be trusted to keep their promises. They say whatever will get people to shut up in the moment, but cutting IS their intention.
 
See? That’s the attitude of government workers. Regular people pay for their superior benefits, and they laugh at us.

You’re in Congress?
All .gov workers (congress critters included) have the same type of insurance available to them (for a price) once they are vested.

And yeah, I'll laugh at you because you don't know WTF you are talking about with your "equal outcome" BS.....You are actually worse than a dem because you choose to be ignorant.
 
All .gov workers (congress critters included) have the same type of insurance available to them (for a price) once they are vested.

And yeah, I'll laugh at you because you don't know WTF you are talking about with your "equal outcome" BS.....You are actually worse than a dem because you choose to be ignorant.
You’re an idiot. When have I ever defended “equal outcomes”?

The government is grossly overstaffed, and we need to trim. The first step is to stop the time theft being committed by government workers, and that means they need to show up in the office and work a full day. Then we can see just how much taxpayers are paying for superfluous workers.
 
You’re an idiot. When have I ever defended “equal outcomes”?

The government is grossly overstaffed, and we need to trim. The first step is to stop the time theft being committed by government workers, and that means they need to show up in the office and work a full day. Then we can see just how much taxpayers are paying for superfluous workers.
I'm retired.

So you are saying that retired .gov workers who pay for their insurance (and have for all the years of employment) should lose it because you can't avail yourself of it?

You are one of the most selfish people on this board so bugger-off.
 
The last time any reform happened it was under Reagan in 1983. Reagan was a Republican with a Democrat Congress.
 
You’re an idiot. When have I ever defended “equal outcomes”?

The government is grossly overstaffed, and we need to trim. The first step is to stop the time theft being committed by government workers, and that means they need to show up in the office and work a full day. Then we can see just how much taxpayers are paying for superfluous workers.
When is the president going to trim his personal butler and chef from the White House along with cleaners, Melania doesn't work she can cook and clean.
 
SS is not a 401k. A better solution is to have EVERY worker in the US especially all government workers, pay into SS in lieu of their cushy government pensions.

To your last point, have you noticed that Government employees get exempted from the programs that regular taxpayers are forced into - so that the govt employees get to keep the better deal?

#1 All federal workers already pay into social security.

#2 There are a few states and localities that don't, however those individuals are not eligible to draw SS based on time worked for those entities. It's not like they don't pay in and still draw SS for the time worked there.

WW
 
GOP have a retirement plan which has a scene from Logan's Run...

While all the other first world countries are talking about how to give their workers more time off and create better work life balance because technology has improved our lives... If we leverage this tech advances we can have more free time...

GOP version: More Tech mean more productivity which makes more profit which goes to Shareholders & Owners, the Ownership Class...
Note: 3 people in US have are wealthier than the combined 50% of US Citizens. That is the tip of the iceberg in the ownership class...


Workers should work longer in life because we can work them hard
There is an effort to keep people working longer and when we hear how wage increases across the board create inflation that is an effort to suppress wages. It's undeniable and inarguable. It must be a hatred of the average paycheck to paycheck people. 6 weeks paid vacation? Sick time? Lunch breaks? We will have none of that
 
The Pentagon never is in danger of going broke so why would Social Security?
 
To your last point, have you noticed that Government employees get exempted from the programs that regular taxpayers are forced into - so that the govt employees get to keep the better deal?
Same thing happened with Obamacare. Regular people were forced onto an inferior program while the exalted government goof-offs got to stay on their better programs - paid for by the regular people.
Hell yes I noticed that taxpayers get put on the hook for paying for exorbitant government pensions & healthcare.
We need a new LAW
 
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