Yeah, this to me is the biggest reason not to vote for Obama. We've seen what the last eight years has brought when we elect a man clearly not experienced enough to be President.
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Yeah, this to me is the biggest reason not to vote for Obama. We've seen what the last eight years has brought when we elect a man clearly not experienced enough to be President.
I'm sorry. The 2000 election is long over.
Do you not even remotely see the irony in this post?
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jillian
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and to me the biggest reason to vote for Obama is to end the failed policies of the past two terms rather than continue them with a man who admits he knows nothing about economics; wants to trash our courts; and doesn't know the difference between shi'a and sunni.
ReillyT
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Bush wasn't terribly inexperienced. He was governor of one of the largest states in the country for 5 years, was CEO of several (largely failed) business ventures, and was general managing partner of a baseball team. That might not rank as the most experienced president-elect in the nation's history, but it isn't what I would call inexperienced. Abraham Lincoln only had a short stay in the House of Representatives and several terms in the Illinois legislature before he became President (I think). I would classify that as more inexperienced than Bush, although it didn't appear to hold Lincoln back too much. Bush's problem is that he is myopic and stupid. I do not see these traits in Obama.
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Nate Peele
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I was impressed by Hillary Clinton's 3:00 phone call commercial a few months back. The big question was, is Barack Hussein Obama experienced enough to answer that phone when a crisis rings. Of course the answer is no. We frequently elect Presidents without experience and hope for the best, but there is positively no substitute for experience.
In that regard I wanted to look at one of the great unsung Presidents of our time. He was a Federalist and then a Democrat, but not a liberal. The most experienced President we ever had was Pennsylvania's James Buchanon. Buchanon was both a representative and a senator. He was opposed to the War of 1812 because he felt it unnecessary, but when the country needed him he served in the defense of Baltimore.
He was nominated to be a Supreme Court Justice by James Polk, but declined. He was appointed as Secretary of State and wrote the Oregon Tready. When he was ambassador to England he helped draft the Ostend Manifesto which sought to add Cuba to the United States (A lot of Cubans would be much happier today if that had happenned).
Buchanon was a great believe in the power of courts and as President helpd to steer the Dred Scott Decision. Through a time of great turmoil he tried to keep the country united. When the South finally left the Union Buchanon believed that it was unconstitutional. Unfortunately, he also believed that stopped them would be Unconstitutional as well. He was a consumate free trader who worked hard to lower the tariff before the Panic of 1857 stopped freemarketers in their tracks. He also helped keep Utah as part of the country through the Utah War. During his term as President Kansas, Minnesota, and Oregon were all admitted to the union.
Buchanon is an underrated and often forgotten President, but he stewarded this country through impossibly hard times. Like Bush he was a War President and like Bush he fought for tax cuts when economic panic had lead weaker men to try and raise taxes. There is no doubt Buchanon was a man ready for a 3AM crisis because he had experience. Give me 20 years of public service Hussein then feel free to run again.
In that regard I wanted to look at one of the great unsung Presidents of our time. He was a Federalist and then a Democrat, but not a liberal. The most experienced President we ever had was Pennsylvania's James Buchanon. Buchanon was both a representative and a senator. He was opposed to the War of 1812 because he felt it unnecessary, but when the country needed him he served in the defense of Baltimore.
He was nominated to be a Supreme Court Justice by James Polk, but declined. He was appointed as Secretary of State and wrote the Oregon Tready. When he was ambassador to England he helped draft the Ostend Manifesto which sought to add Cuba to the United States (A lot of Cubans would be much happier today if that had happenned).
Buchanon was a great believe in the power of courts and as President helpd to steer the Dred Scott Decision. Through a time of great turmoil he tried to keep the country united. When the South finally left the Union Buchanon believed that it was unconstitutional. Unfortunately, he also believed that stopped them would be Unconstitutional as well. He was a consumate free trader who worked hard to lower the tariff before the Panic of 1857 stopped freemarketers in their tracks. He also helped keep Utah as part of the country through the Utah War. During his term as President Kansas, Minnesota, and Oregon were all admitted to the union.
Buchanon is an underrated and often forgotten President, but he stewarded this country through impossibly hard times. Like Bush he was a War President and like Bush he fought for tax cuts when economic panic had lead weaker men to try and raise taxes. There is no doubt Buchanon was a man ready for a 3AM crisis because he had experience. Give me 20 years of public service Hussein then feel free to run again.
ReillyT
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That isn't quite true. McCain did say that "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues, I still need to be educated."
McCain has belittled his own knowledge on economics - Jonathan Martin's Blog - Politico.com
He also has confused which groups in Iraq are Sunni and Shia.
I find him to be a good overall candidate, but he does have his vulnerabilities, as do all the candidates.
ReillyT
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Great foriegn policy creditials let me tell you.......Texas regularly dictates our middle east foriegn policy
I am sorry. I didn't realize that "experience" only referred to foreign policy credentials. I mistakenly thought it might include domestic policy and executive leadership experience. My bad.
jillian
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Perhaps you just don't listen to what he says. He was actually quite candid in acknowledging that he has little knowledge of economics.
McCain told
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/mccains_previou.html
Although, of course, like every other honest thing McCain says, he backtracked away from it when asked about it by Tim Russert. So I'll stick with the guy who was Editor of the Harvard Law Review and lectures on Constitutional Law and has a contemplative style as opposed to the guy who was something like three up from the bottom of his class, doesn't understand economics and doesn't know the difference between shi'a and sunni so he can't figure out who's on what side. Thanks.
Jeepers
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Huh.. power hungry.. boob.. racist.. wtf.. I've heard some stupid comments but you sir take the cake... Harvard law graduate goes to chicago to work in the hood knowing that John Kerry will hand pick him to give a speach at the dem convention...
Yeah.. theres a game plan for you.. as far as racist and socilist.. you wouldnt know either one even if they bit you in the ass..
Now.. three things that need to be remembered here..
#1. The more time you spend in the senate, the less likely it is you will be president.. more experience here is actually a detriment.
#2. Hillary's only experience in the white house was determining where dignitaries would be sitting for dinner. White house records show this, well that and supporting nafta while failing on healthcare. Will we be trying to elect Laura 4 years from now?
#3. George was the governor of Texas. There is much experience gained from holding an executive position in a state with an operating budget larger than most countries...
Yeah no doubt. Bush actually surrounded himself with a nice staff in the beginning. But they all split once they realized how stupid he was. They didn't want to have anything to do with it. Bush ran the smartest man on his staff OUT, i.e Colin Powell. Which by the way is the BEST candidate for President. I wish he would run because NOBODY is more qualified to be President than Colin Powell.
Jeepers
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agreed.. maybe an Obama Powell ticket?
Jon
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Yeah, his abundance of 21st century religious baggage is great!
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I guess that depends on what the definition of "IS" is, eh?
indeed, tell me all about baggage.
jillian
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It's pretty much a sure thing that anything Obama has to say will be better than what's on my "George W. Bush Out of Office Countdown" Calendar for today's date:
(GWB, Florida, June 2001).
Jon
The CPA
I guess that depends on what the definition of "IS" is, eh?
indeed, tell me all about baggage.
Tell me, who would you rather be tied to:
a) A former two-term President who had one of the highest approval ratings in modern history.
b) Two preachers who were forced out of their church for spewing racial hatespeak.
That's the problem, Bill and her had their time in the White House, give someone else a turn; Key word "CHANGE", not the same old people who are accustomed to the ways of the past.
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