Democratic Socialism/Communism is the only solution to advanced automation & artificial intelligence.

[TruthNotBS]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

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No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

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When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[shockedcanadian]

Similar sentiments were expressed after the Industrial Age arrived. Some industries.just.disappeared, this happens be it the horse and buggy, cobblesmith or TV repairmen. Some quite creative and talented authors such Charles Dickens even used their platform to paint an unflattering picture of this period. In time, jobs will shift and hopefully evolve. Those.who control the means of production will also be the primary class that harnesses the A.I revo!ution. One doesn't need big government intervention. The true problem is that its the Wild.West and the U.N should try and demand standardizatioj from.nations.but humans dont coorperate when they should,.especialy.nations.such as China,.N korea and Russia

 

[TruthNotBS]

Similar sentiments were expressed after the Industrial Age arrived. Some industries.just.disappeared, this happens be it the horse and buggy, cobblesmith or TV repairmen. Some quite creative and talented authors such Charles Dickens even used their platform to paint an unflattering picture of this period. In time, jobs will shift and hopefully evolve. Those.who control the means of production will also be the primary class that harnesses the A.I revo!ution. One doesn't need big government intervention. The true problem is that its the Wild.West and the U.N should try and demand standardizatioj from.nations.but humans dont coorperate when they should,.especialy.nations.such as China,.N korea and Russia

Gobbledygook. That's all you have? Gebbirish? Never in history has production been automated by intelligent, autonomous systems as today. Machinery in general, has always needed a human operator. With the advancement of cybernetics in the 1970s, there was an unprecedented loss of office workers. An administrative department in the 1940s and 50s, looked like a factory, full of workers, typing and filing records, copying documents by hand on typewriters. All of that changed with computers and Xerox.

With the further development of autonomous, intelligent systems, it's self-evident even to big-money capitalists like Musk and others, that the only way for capitalism to survive is through a massive government intervention i.e. bailout, in the form of a UBI (Universal Basic Income) or even a UI/UHI (Universal High Income), paid monthly by the government.

You can pretend if it makes you feel better, that advanced automation and AI replacing most if not all of wage labor isn't going to force society to adopt a non-profit system of production, but anyone able to think rationally will come to terms with the truth. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence is the end of capitalism and the beginning of the socialist age. Hopefully the transition between both economic systems will be bloodless, without violence.

 

[theHawk]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

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No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

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When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.

In other words you are content with being a slave and allowing an oligarchy owned neo-feudalist society to become the norm. The problem is when you become worthless and have nothing to offer, why would they need to keep you around?

 

[WinterBorn]

Gobbledygook. That's all you have? Gebbirish? Never in history has production been automated by intelligent, autonomous systems as today. Machinery in general, has always needed a human operator. With the advancement of cybernetics in the 1970s, there was an unprecedented loss of office workers. An administrative department in the 1940s and 50s, looked like a factory, full of workers, typing and filing records, copying documents by hand on typewriters. All of that changed with computers and Xerox.

With the further development of autonomous, intelligent systems, it's self-evident even to big-money capitalists like Musk and others, that the only way for capitalism to survive is through a massive government intervention i.e. bailout, in the form of a UBI (Universal Basic Income) or even a UI/UHI (Universal High Income), paid monthly by the government.

You can pretend if it makes you feel better, that advanced automation and AI replacing most if not all of wage labor isn't going to force society to adopt a non-profit system of production, but anyone able to think rationally will come to terms with the truth. Advanced automation and artificial intelligence is the end of capitalism and the beginning of the socialist age. Hopefully the transition between both economic systems will be bloodless, without violence.

I have said this before. Eventually we will become a socialist nation. It is inevitable.

But it will be decades before the shift.

 

[TruthNotBS]

In other words you are content with being a slave and allowing an oligarchy owned neo-feudalist society to become the norm. The problem is when you become worthless and have nothing to offer, why would they need to keep you around?

That's a baby-brained, comatose comment. Do you realize how stupid you sound saying that? If anything, capitalism creates slaves, not socialism. Socialism places everything in the hands of the public, whereas capitalism privatizes everything in the hands of a few capitalist multi-millionaires and billionaires.

Capitalism is a system of human exploitation, where one small parasitical group of people who own everything (under the protection of the government) refuse to work, hence they hire others to work for them, for a wage (that is always worth less than what the worker is producing), to make a profit.

Without wages, the capitalist boss/fief lord doesn't have any customers, hence wages and profits are two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other.

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Why would you, a working-class person support your capitalist masters, who are exploiting and reducing you, to a mere commodity in a "labor market"? You're dehumanized, into a product to be purchased by a capitalist master, in a labor market and exploited like a machine. You own nothing of what you produce and are placed in an adversarial position against your fellow workers, who are competing for the same job (until workers wake up and unite, forming a labor union).

Adam Smith the father of capitalism identifies capitalists as masters:

What are the common wages of labour, depends every where upon the contract usually made between those two parties, whose interests are by no means the same. The workmen desire to get as much, the masters to give as little as possible. The former are disposed to combine in order to raise, the latter in order to lower the wages of labour.

It is not, however, difficult to foresee which of the two parties must, upon all ordinary occasions, have the advantage in the dispute, and force the other into a compliance with their terms. The masters, being fewer in number, can combine much more easily; and the law, besides, authorizes, or at least does not prohibit their combinations, while it prohibits those of the workmen. ( Wealth Of Nations - Book I, Chapter VIII)

Why do you defend your wage slavery? Because your capitalist employer/exploiter masters have brainwashed you. You drank the capitalist Kool-Aid.

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[TruthNotBS]

I have said this before. Eventually we will become a socialist nation. It is inevitable.

But it will be decades before the shift.

At least you're honest and smarter than most capitalist apologists. American socialism will be 100% democratic, respecting everyone's personal property. In socialism, there's a distinction between private and personal property. Private property is all property that is used to exploit human beings for a profit. Personal property is all property that is for personal use. That can be your house, car, computer, personal robot/s, Fruit Of The Looms & toothbrush.

Socialism recognizes a person's right to their personal property and eliminates "private property", placing it in the hands of the public. It turns private assets into the people's commonwealth or "public assets". All of the mines, factories, intelligent factory robots, artificial intelligence, is in the hands of the American people, managed by their government. Unlike in capitalism, where privately owned business enterprises never hold elections and are run like totalitarian regimes, a government in a socialist society, must hold elections.

The goal of socialism is to eliminate the state, socioeconomic classes, and the need for money = communism. Wikipedia defines communism as:

"A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]"

Source: Communism - Wikipedia​

Socialism is the process that leads to communism = when the individual consumer has complete control over the means of production, no longer needing the government or anyone else to produce the products and services that they consume. The only way for communism to exist is when advanced technology empowers the consumer to produce everything they need without the infrastructure of the state or any other human being. This leads to every relationship between adults being 100% voluntary and without coercion.

The socialist mission is to empower the working class, to eventually not need a state or government to provide them with the products and services that they consume and use. Communism is the eradication of the state apparatus, all socioeconomic classes, and the need for money. Socialists/Communists want the same thing that Libertarians and Anarchists want, we just have a different way of getting there.

Socialism is the only real solution to advanced automation and artificial intelligence, eliminating wages. However, socialism isn't what you've been taught by your capitalist-owned media. Socialism, including communism, can be democratic and in the modern age, greatly improve everyone's standard of living, through the use of advanced technology.

 

[theHawk]

Capitalism is a system of human exploitation

Every human system can be exploited. Sure capitalism can be corrupt, but it is still a thousand times better than socialism.

Like a democratic Republic, a capitalist society will still become corrupt and self destructive if the people running it are amoral and not God-fearing people. A capitalist Republic can only function properly if its population are God fearing people. The problems we see in society today aren’t due to the systems of government and economics, it’s that we are no longer a God fearing nation and the people in charge of these institutions reflect that. A Republic and capitalism are the “most resistant” to corruption, but are still susceptible. Fix the root of the problem (abandoning God), and the system will be work as intended.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

​

No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

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Autonomous pizza delivery robot hits the road

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When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.

/—-/ Find a communist slave state and move there. Leave us freedom loving people alone. Azzhole.

 

[GWV5903]

It's obvious that the only true solution to the inevitable replacement of human wage-labor by advanced automation and artificial intelligence, is a marketless, non-profit, publicly owned, more democratic, centrally planned system of mass production, a.k.a. socialism. The billionaires see the writing on the wall:

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No wage labor (or not enough of it) = No Paying Consumers (or not enough customers) = No Market (or not a large enough market worth investing in) = No Profits (not enough ROI) = No Capitalism (No Capitalists Making A Profit) = Socialism (non-profit, marketless production that doesn't rely on wages being paid to a labor force, that purchases products and services in a market).

Winit X Quicktron | World's largest Automated Bin-to-person Warehouse

Pizza-making robot makes its debut in Paris

Autonomous pizza delivery robot hits the road

Inside Amazon’s robot revolution​

When production is fully or mostly automated, there's no more need for wage-labor or markets. Socialism is the natural, inevitable successor of capitalism, just as capitalism was the successor of feudalism.

Americans due to decades of Cold War anti-socialist, capitalist propaganda, and brainwashing, are unable to accept this self-evident fact. It's mostly Americans over 50 years old, who have trouble coming to terms with this, not the younger generation. The Millenials are much more open to socialism and the Zoomers are the most socialist generation in American history.

The transition to a non-profit system of production is going to be much smoother in the near future, as boomers retire and the younger generation takes the helm.

AI will never replace humans, the future of AI is limited. The technology has limitations and there is no purpose for them if humans don’t exist. Artificial (fake) intelligence will fail at the level you try to portray.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Every human system can be exploited. Sure capitalism can be corrupt, but it is still a thousand times better than socialism.

Like a democratic Republic, a capitalist society will still become corrupt and self destructive if the people running it are amoral and not God-fearing people. A capitalist Republic can only function properly if its population are God fearing people. The problems we see in society today aren’t due to the systems of government and economics, it’s that we are no longer a God fearing nation and the people in charge of these institutions reflect that. A Republic and capitalism are the “most resistant” to corruption, but are still susceptible. Fix the root of the problem (abandoning God), and the system will be work as intended.

Every human system can be exploited.

What does that even mean? Every human system can be exploited. What a stupid statement. Is that your half-witted attempt to justify the exploitation of human labor by the capitalist parasite class?

Sure capitalism can be corrupt, but it is still a thousand times better than socialism.

How is corporate, capitalist fascism, and totalitarianism better than democracy (the rule of the people), and socialism, a system of production that doesn't need wages and places the means of production in the hands of workers? You just ignore everything that I said in my previous posts and keep repeating your capitalist claptrap, like a mindless automaton.

How do you pretend to continue with your capitalist system without wages?

Like a democratic Republic, a capitalist society will still become corrupt and self destructive if the people running it are amoral and not God-fearing people. A capitalist Republic can only function properly if its population are God fearing people. The problems we see in society today aren’t due to the systems of government and economics, it’s that we are no longer a God fearing nation and the people in charge of these institutions reflect that. A Republic and capitalism are the “most resistant” to corruption, but are still susceptible. Fix the root of the problem (abandoning God), and the system will be work as intended.

First of all, assuming a personal God actually exists, why would you assume he's pro-capitalism? The Bible you consider "God's Word", says:

Act 2:43-45 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. (44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Act 4:32-37 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (33) And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. (34) Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, (35) And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. (36) And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, (37) Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

That's not capitalism, that's religious communism. It has nothing to do with capitalism. There are several passages in the Bible, that are clearly socialistic, communist, not capitalist.

You're ignoring everything that I am saying, so from now on I'm not really talking to you, when I respond to your gobbledygook posts, I'm only responding for the sake of others, who are sincerely interested in this topic and still have a functioning brain.

 

[TruthNotBS]

AI will never replace humans, the future of AI is limited. The technology has limitations and there is no purpose for them if humans don’t exist. Artificial (fake) intelligence will fail at the level you try to portray.

You're delusional if you think artificial intelligence and advanced automation aren't going to replace most jobs. Even pro-capitalist experts admit to this, so you're just in denial. You're suffering from a bad case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[TruthNotBS]

/—-/ Find a communist slave state and move there. Leave us freedom loving people alone. Azzhole.

You leave, this country is ours, just as much as it is yours. Capitalism will be abolished and replaced with a non-profit, marketless system of production, whether you like it or not. Advanced automation and AI ensure the victory of socialism, not just here in the US but around the world. You leave, we stay.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You leave, this country is ours, just as much as it is yours. Capitalism will be abolished and replaced with a non-profit, marketless system of production, whether you like it or not. Advanced automation and AI ensure the victory of socialism, not just here in the US but around the world. You leave, we stay.

/—-/ Move where, to one of your failed nanny states?

If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.

Ronald Reagan

 

[WinterBorn]

I don't see this as a battle of political ideologies. It is a matter of growth.

The population is increasing. The number of jobs is not.

 

[TruthNotBS]

/—-/ Move where, to one of your failed nanny states?

Ronald Reagan

You're so stupid and delusional. I don't care where you go.

You Republican conservatives are always shouting "Commie! Commie!", when a Dem-"Progressive" (Who's not even really a leftist or socialist, much less a "commie"), is for universal Medicare, tuition-free college, funding social programs that help single mothers or the poor. You get triggered and start shouting "Commie!", yet all of those government policies are taken for granted in most modern, industrialized countries. They're considered normal.

The most successful economies at the moment (before the intelligent robots replace wages and we experience the inevitable "tech apocalypse"), that offer their citizens the highest standard of living are MIXED ECONOMIES. They don't place everything in the hands of a small group of multi-millionaires and billionaires. They offer their citizens free (at the point of service) healthcare, tuition-free college and vocational schooling, adequate housing..etc, not to speak of worker rights, that protect labor unions.

Only brain-dead shithead Americans like you support placing everything in the hands of billionaires and not providing public-social services to the public. All you right-wing conservatives do is serve your wealthy capitalist masters (privileged parasites) at the expense of the public good (The American people - 94% of them are of the WORKING CLASS).

So moron, you're telling me to go to a socialist "nanny state", somewhere in the world, as if the only socialist states that exist are those under American economic sanctions like Cuba, or North Korea. No shithead! Wake up! Most of the industrialized, modern world, is according to Republican rhetoric, COMMIE! Socialist countries are everywhere and they're doing well. America will also do well, when it is forced by necessity, to adopt democratic socialism.

When advanced automation and AI, begin to replace human wage labor, that is the end of capitalism. Practically ALL of the experts agree that advanced, 21st-century automation and AI, are going to eliminate most jobs, if not all of them, within the next 50 years. Within the next just 10 to 15 years at least half of jobs will be "deleted" by smart robots, requiring the government to bail out the capitalists with a monthly UBI or UI. If anyone needs a "nanny" it's these fucking capitalists.

You need to wake up and stop burying your head in the sand like an ostrich.

 

[TruthNotBS]

I don't see this as a battle of political ideologies. It is a matter of growth.

The population is increasing. The number of jobs is not.

You're going to have a higher standard of living. You're going to own so much stuff, due to how cheap mass production is going to become, that you won't know what to do with all of it. Food, clothing, devices, gadgets, "toys", healthcare, public transit, that takes you everywhere, quickly, plus your personal vehicle. etc. The future is one of EXTREME ABUNDANCE. Robots work 24/7, for nothing.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[WinterBorn]

You're going to have a higher standard of living. You're going to own so much stuff, due to how cheap mass production is going to become, that you won't know what to do with all of it. Food, clothing, devices, gadgets, "toys", healthcare, public transit, that takes you everywhere, quickly, plus your personal vehicle. etc. The future is one of EXTREME ABUNDANCE. Robots work 24/7, for nothing.

This is where my cynical nature comes in.

If advanced automation and AI will produce all the things, and without labor costs, there will be two choices for the corporate owners.

1) Have the same profit margin and reduce prices so everyone can enjoy the prosperity.
2) Keep prices the same and make much higher profits.

Which do you think corporate officers will want?