Democracy or Capitalism

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Both.

Good. We are a Constituional Republc but so is The People's Republic of China. Why do we differ? (hint. the answer was in the earlier questions).

So, their constitution says the same thing as our constitution? Shit....

this one made me smile .

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

We are a democracy.

Its the defintion of the word.

Quit trying to redefine words for your poltical point system

we are a constitutional republic. Please quit trying to redifine our country and our constitution for the sake of your political agenda's success. Thank you kindly.

 

[Provocateur]

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


e·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
plural de·moc·ra·cies
Definition of DEMOCRACY
1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

And?


Do you understand anything? Just one time right would be encouraging.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Good. We are a Constituional Republc but so is The People's Republic of China. Why do we differ? (hint. the answer was in the earlier questions).

So, their constitution says the same thing as our constitution? Shit....

"Shit"? lol, okay I'll dumb it down for you.

China has but one political party, the Communist Party, codified in their constitution. Our Constitution mentions not rights, obligations or prohibitions on politcal parties. So to infer we are a democratic republic with a constitution is the answer.

The OP asks to choose between Capitalism and Democracy; the proper question to ask is between Capitalism and another economic theory, or between democracy and a monarchy, a plutocracy, an oligarchy or many other types of government in theory and in practice.

See:
Political Parties | Udfl

You would be inferring incorrectly if you did this.

We are a constitutional republic. We use the democratic process to vote for our representatives who then represent us based upon a system outlined by our constitution. This system gives us 2 senators per state and then bases the congresspeople on state population. These representatives are not limited in what political party they run for.

You are wrong calling us a democratic republic or a democratic constitutional republic. Yes there are elements of democracy, im not denying that, im just trying to understand why everyone wants to add this little twist to the reality of us being a constitutional republic.

 

[The T]

Its kind of interesting how blown their minds are by this simple question most school children would have no problem with.

Translation: "These fools fell for another one of my bait threads..."

About sum it up TDM?

but if you read the first 4 pages she basically had this blow up in her face. I hope now she has a better grasp of our government.

One would hold out hope. How long before we see another inane thread where she gets educated? I give it a day or two.

 

[Provocateur]

So, their constitution says the same thing as our constitution? Shit....

"Shit"? lol, okay I'll dumb it down for you.

China has but one political party, the Communist Party, codified in their constitution. Our Constitution mentions not rights, obligations or prohibitions on politcal parties. So to infer we are a democratic republic with a constitution is the answer.

The OP asks to choose between Capitalism and Democracy; the proper question to ask is between Capitalism and another economic theory, or between democracy and a monarchy, a plutocracy, an oligarchy or many other types of government in theory and in practice.

See:
Political Parties | Udfl

You would be inferring incorrectly if you did this.

We are a constitutional republic. We use the democratic process to vote for our representatives who then represent us based upon a system outlined by our constitution. This system gives us 2 senators per state and then bases the congresspeople on state population. These representatives are not limited in what political party they run for.

You are wrong calling us a democratic republic or a democratic constitutional republic. Yes there are elements of democracy, im not denying that, im just trying to understand why everyone wants to add this little twist to the reality of us being a constitutional republic.

I think I know. If you dig deep, you can figure it out without help. Answer it yourself.

 

[Gadawg73]

A corporation is people, THE SHAREHOLDERS.
A democracy is the worst form of government, basically mob rule.

 

[The T]

What the founders designed was not caplitalism was it.

Captialism already exsisted and produced Kings and Queens.

The founder saw that this capitalism needed some tempering by the people.


I think they were right.

government is not the economy truthmatters. Dont you get that, the govt is NOT the economy.

And we dont have a democracy.

Why do you try to get all smart like this without studying the subject your trying to be a master of?

Indeed. The Government is supposed to foster the economy. Economic Liberty...Commerce.

The Government seems to be hell bent on destroying it. Without a stong economy? This government ceases to exist. Could thios be what they're shooting for?

I sense something more sinister like NWO...the USA has had it's time in the sun...

 

[DontBeStupid]

A corporation is people, THE SHAREHOLDERS.

False.

 

[The T]

a corporation is people, the shareholders.

false.

true. Bolstered by those that patronize the business. Get lost son. Stay in California where you belong. You and your likes have already fucked up your State.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

A corporation is people, THE SHAREHOLDERS.

False.

DontBeStupid.

Corporations are made up of people. Just so you know. define corporation - Bing DICTIONARY

 

[DontBeStupid]

a corporation is people, the shareholders.

false.

true.

/sigh

If you honestly believe this, then that means shareholders of a company have more rights to free speech than you do as a person.

You can't honestly believe that.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Corporations are made up of people. Just so you know. define corporation - Bing DICTIONARY

From the Bing definition you just listed:

"a company recognized by law as a single body with its own powers and liabilities, separate from those of the individual members. Corporations perform many of the functions of private business, governments, educational bodies, and the professions."

 

[Ame®icano]

Democracy.

We were primarily an agrarian society and founders were rebelling against the rule of a monarchy.

Which is why they forumed a constitutional republic instead of a democracy. They wanted the minority to be protected from the majority which is why we DO NOT have a democracy.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on whats for dinner, liberty is a well armed lamb contesting that outcome -Benjamin Franklin.

One would think that someone who claims "TruthMatters" would understand the difference.

Only if is his/her truth...

 

[Avatar4321]

I dont know why you seem to think you can regulate someone's speech simply because they decided to incorporate.

A corporation is not a person. Saying that GE can't spend unlimited sums of money on lying propaganda would in no way hinder your free speech or the free speech of anyone working for GE or holding shares of stock for GE.

Do you honestly believe that corps were endowed by their creator with the same inalienable rights that you have?

I never said a corporation is a person. A corporation is a group of individual people who join together for business purposes. People have rights both as individuals and as groups. You can't take away their rights simply because they choose to incorporate their business.

You might not like that, but we have freedom of speech and freedom of assocition in this nation.

 

[Avatar4321]

A corporation is people, THE SHAREHOLDERS.

False.

So you are seriously going to argue that a corporation isn't a group of people working together in a business venture?

 

[California Girl]

Neither. They chose a Republic because it was the best form of government to ensure we had freedom in our life, including freedom in economics, aka Capitalism.

The real question is do you want freedom or do you want the government controlling everything?

You've clearly chosen the latter.

How do you explain that our founding fathers heavily regulated corporations?

A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation. In order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked.

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

It comes from an inability to think for oneself.

 

[midcan5]

"The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy." Alex Carey [see Democracy after Citizens United | MIT World ]

A corporation is people, THE SHAREHOLDERS.

False.

So you are seriously going to argue that a corporation isn't a group of people working together in a business venture?

Has no one here ever worked in a corporation? Corporations are entities created to make money, profit, they are not people even though one has to face the fact people run them, some good many bad, consider Enron or all the companies that failed during Reagan/Bush and Clinton/Bush after regulatory structure was destroyed. If we were to use language correctly, corporations are not even businesses as businesses still exist for the employees, often family and the neighborhood. Depending on the corporations, shareholders have some say but it is weak and there is a board of directors who determine much of the policy in a large corporation. Corporations have no heart no soul and if one wants to stick to the idiotic idea that an entity created only to make money is a person then you have to define a person in the same narrow way. But that may be true of the right or the ideologically driven libertarians of modern America.


"[W]hat is required is that Americans take a stand on behalf of their selfish material interests and against those of the monopolies and transnational corporations that have captured our institutions of government. The paradoxical character of our popular corruption is that the people have become slothfully selfless, too absorbed by their ephemeral entertainments and petty cultural disputes to assert their self-interest against the plunderers who rule them. ¶ Surely, however, the American people have not become so servile that they will forever submit to the rule of 1 percent. Surely we are capable of recognizing that the perverse corporate regime that has arisen in our country is a usurpation of popular government. Our Constitution unquestionably recognizes the right of a people to alter its mode of government: we have done so twenty-seven times. We may do so again. We may throw off these bonds and provide new guards for our future security." Roger D. Hodge [ame]http://www.amazon.com/Mendacity-Hope-Betrayal-American-Liberalism/dp/006201126X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8[/ame]

 

[editec]

Neither. They chose a Republic because it was the best form of government to ensure we had freedom in our life, including freedom in economics, aka Capitalism.

The real question is do you want freedom or do you want the government controlling everything?

You've clearly chosen the latter.

How do you explain that our founding fathers heavily regulated corporations?

A word that appears nowhere in the Constitution is "corporation," for the writers had no interest in using for-profit corporations to run their new government.

Corporations could not own stock in other corporations, and they were prohibited from any part of the political process. Individual stockholders were held personally liable for any harms done in the name of the corporation. In order to receive the profit-making privileges the shareholders sought, their corporations had to represent a clear benefit for the public good. And when corporations violated any of these terms, their charters were frequently revoked.

Your obsession with corporations is disturbing.

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Your lack of understanding about how perniciously some corporations are working hand in glove with the increasingly authoritarian government is even more so.

Go read a book.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

DontBeStupid Corporations are made up of people. Just so you know. define corporation - Bing DICTIONARY

From the Bing definition you just listed:

"a company recognized by law as a single body with its own powers and liabilities, separate from those of the individual members. Corporations perform many of the functions of private business, governments, educational bodies, and the professions."

Read the ENTIRE definition and dont be like your name says not to. and your not supposed to alter people's quotes