Democracy Creates Jobs

[bripat9643]

Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??

Ummm, you are aware that "Demand" is the driving force behind effort, innovation, and assertion? Right? Without demand, why bother?

The demand for a polio vaccine existed for 10,000 years, but there was no polio vaccine available until Jonas Salk invented it.

Demand doesn't cause jack shit to come into existence.

 

[georgephillip]

Let's define our terms.

What is a right?
What is an entitlement?
What is the difference, in your mind?

Only a brain-dead leftist would even consider asking what the difference is between a right and an entitlement.

You seem to be the resident authority on brain-dead.

Explain the difference between "right" and "entitlement".

 

[georgephillip]

Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??

Ummm, you are aware that "Demand" is the driving force behind effort, innovation, and assertion? Right? Without demand, why bother?

The demand for a polio vaccine existed for 10,000 years, but there was no polio vaccine available until Jonas Salk invented it.

Demand doesn't cause jack shit to come into existence.

How about "price"?

"Supply and demand is perhaps one of the most fundamental concepts of economics and it is the backbone of a market economy.

"Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers.

"The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship.

"Supply represents how much the market can offer.

"The quantity supplied refers to the amount of a certain good producers are willing to supply when receiving a certain price. The correlation between price and how much of a good or service is supplied to the market is known as the supply relationship.

"Price, therefore, is a reflection of supply and demand."

Economics Basics: Demand and Supply

Are you really as brain-dead as your posts suggest?

 

[Intense]

Let's define our terms.

What is a right?
What is an entitlement?
What is the difference, in your mind?

Only a brain-dead leftist would even consider asking what the difference is between a right and an entitlement.

You seem to be the resident authority on brain-dead.

Explain the difference between "right" and "entitlement".

In fairness entitlement is used in the definition of Rights, as previously shown here on this Thread. A distinction that wasn't shown is something within ones own ability to do for them-self at their own expense, and that which others are mandated to do for some Special Class, without their consent. This is the core of the problem. My perspective is that where there is partiality, you need to justify by showing cause, and then leave it to the communities to decide, independently, what and how, and to what level, action should be taken. Applying Federalist Principles (Madison), what is popular will advance to the next level, and then the next, and then the next. Local Law, State Law, Federal Law, and finally with 75% approval, Constitutional Amendment. Of course that was before Hamilton redefined the Role of the Court to displace the role Federalism was to play in our lives.

 

[Intense]

Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??

Ummm, you are aware that "Demand" is the driving force behind effort, innovation, and assertion? Right? Without demand, why bother?

The demand for a polio vaccine existed for 10,000 years, but there was no polio vaccine available until Jonas Salk invented it.

Demand doesn't cause jack shit to come into existence.

How about "price"?

"Supply and demand is perhaps one of the most fundamental concepts of economics and it is the backbone of a market economy.

"Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers.

"The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship.

"Supply represents how much the market can offer.

"The quantity supplied refers to the amount of a certain good producers are willing to supply when receiving a certain price. The correlation between price and how much of a good or service is supplied to the market is known as the supply relationship.

"Price, therefore, is a reflection of supply and demand."

Economics Basics: Demand and Supply

Are you really as brain-dead as your posts suggest?

You are forgetting cost.

Raw Materials. Production. Utilities. Storage. Distribution. Transportation. Shelf Life. Maintenance. Advertizing. To name a few.

Or would you sell at a loss, and burden the system further?

 

[georgephillip]

That is a fair question, which I can answer best from my own perspective. The reason for that is that from my perspective the definition of Rights has been corrupted and includes entitlement in it's definition.

Rights (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

If the Corruption and the Tangent taken, be it created at the Root level, or any other level, it still remains a false path, no matter the intention.

The concept of Inalienable Rights or Unalienable Rights, is Conditional, and it is foremost between Each Individual and Our Maker, or Each Individual and the Forces of Creation. Putting our best foot forward, first, as Individuals, second as a Society, We seek to Identify what is Positive and what is Negative, in order to Establish Justice and serve it for the betterment of all, as Individuals, and as Members of the Whole. That is Good Government.

Rights, Entitlement, these are concepts we have limited control over as a Society. Disease, Accident, Life, Death, are not always under our control. No matter what we imagine or legislate, there are things beyond our ability to comprehend or address.

I view Rights, personally, as You or I, being able to play the Hands we are dealt, as we see fit, within the boundaries of Decency. Life, Liberty, Property, Pursuit of Happiness, among those Unalienable Rights. When action causes harm, it is for the Justice to decide Relevance, Weight, Resolution, based on what we know to be fact, truth. Intention is a factor, not a free pass or a get out of jail free card, just like levels of competence and incompetence are factors. All action has consequence, both good and bad to some level or degree. That is why it is important to act on what we know, as opposed to what we imagine, especially when we are trying to stick somebody else with the bill.

If you have ever known loss in your personal life, you know that there are few guarantees. I want a level playing field in the sense that I want Impartial Referees, that allow each individual player to compete on their own terms, in control of their own potential, and ability. I do not support redistribution or predetermined outcome. The concept of handicapping one to benefit another or give another advantage is unnatural. You do not want to pay me to hear me sing or play a sax. You do not want to waste your time seeing me throw a football or a baseball. We are not all equal. We are Unique, each with different gifts, burdens, crosses to bear. We each have value here, in this life, and the next. It is not for Government to play God and put a value on Rights that it did not create. This Government was founded on the principle that Certain Rights are above the Jurisdiction of Any Man Made Authority.

What is a right? Thought. Word. Action. Achievement. Lawful Possession. Free Will.

What is an entitlement? On the Plus Side, something Earned, benefit. Value for Value, in one form or another. Somebody always pays. Some always give more than they get, because of their Nature, not Government Mandate. We all should be better than that.

Everything is conditional. Thanks for putting up with me George.

You're not difficult to tolerate, Intense.
One of the biggest advantages USMB provides is the opportunity to communicate with those who hold different political or social perspectives. Thank you for your patience with me.

I was using "right" and "entitlement" as approximate synonyms.

Wiki seems to back that up:

Right

"A legal or moral entitlement.

You have no right to go through my book. "

Your Stanford link also indicates this is permissible, at least at some levels:

"Rights

Rights are entitlements (not) to perform certain actions, or (not) to be in certain states; or entitlements that others (not) perform certain actions or (not) be in certain states."

The level playing field with impartial referees that you mention doesn't appear to exist outside of professional sports. The sense of redistribution and predetermined outcome was on full display in the Fall of 2008 when many of those responsible for the Great Recession were rewarded with trillions of dollars in taxpayer funds and guarantees.

Wall Street found a rock star with roots to Lincoln in 2008 and he saved them from prison, at least so far. Goldman Sachs certainly never put $900,000 to a better use.

Between 2000 and 2010 the US lost more jobs than any other state in history except the USSR during the last decade of its existence. If the current decade holds to the same pattern of redistribution, many of us will not recognize the country we were born in ten years from today.

Maybe the Internet will save us?

I was using "right" and "entitlement" as approximate synonyms.

Here is the rub though, Rights, granted by whom, under what authority, to what end.
What is of God, what is of Government, what is proclaimed by Government that may be contrary to God, Ideal, Conscience?
Who takes responsibility for the breach when the Society has the control and power over speech? What is the relation between the message and the messenger in relation to censorship? in the one sense it takes one voice to make a difference, but at what cost? When it comes to our young, is it more important to bring them into conformity or hear their witness from their own unique perspective? Why the war against perspective, conscience? Driving a car down the road, it is pretty obvious that you are going to have a pretty hard time only making Left turns, or only Right turns. Is the issue the destination, or is it about who is in control? Permission to think outside of the box Sir???

The Tyranny we both fight, is tied through Blood, Contract, and Mandate. Big Business, Big Government, in a Hamilton like Unholy Marriage, viewing us all as commodities, to be herded and controlled for their gain. We need to start placing more value on each Individual, and treating Each Other fairly. We Each matter. Hive Think is a disconnect from reality for me, no matter the brand? Don't let the need to belong, stop you from questioning.

FDR's famous Four Freedoms as set forth in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights might provide a useful starting point.

"The Four Freedoms were goals articulated by US President Franklin D. Roosevelt on January 6, 1941.

"In an address known as the Four Freedoms speech (technically the 1941 State of the Union address), he proposed four fundamental freedoms that people 'everywhere in the world ought to enjoy:

Freedom of speech and expression
Freedom of worship
Freedom from want
Freedom from fear

"His inclusion of the latter two freedoms went beyond the traditional US Constitutional values protected by its First Amendment, and endorsed a right to economic security and an internationalist view of foreign policy that have come to be central tenets of modern American liberalism[citation needed]..."

Four Freedoms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another "rub" that needs addressing is huge corporate entitlements like Intellectual Property Rights, for example, that siphon billions of dollars every year from consumers and workers into the pockets of the FIRE sector elites.

For thousands of years before anyone coined the word "socialism" all governments existed to socialize cost while privatizing profit for a fortunate few. Most of these governments leaned heavily on God to make this happen. If there is a Great Awakening in our future, it will require thinking critically about the God of Jews, Christians and Muslims if we're serious about extending the Four Freedoms to all humanity.

Do you think the first private fortunes depended upon chattel slavery for their existence?

 

[georgephillip]

The demand for a polio vaccine existed for 10,000 years, but there was no polio vaccine available until Jonas Salk invented it.

Demand doesn't cause jack shit to come into existence.

How about "price"?

"Supply and demand is perhaps one of the most fundamental concepts of economics and it is the backbone of a market economy.

"Demand refers to how much (quantity) of a product or service is desired by buyers.

"The quantity demanded is the amount of a product people are willing to buy at a certain price; the relationship between price and quantity demanded is known as the demand relationship.

"Supply represents how much the market can offer.

"The quantity supplied refers to the amount of a certain good producers are willing to supply when receiving a certain price. The correlation between price and how much of a good or service is supplied to the market is known as the supply relationship.

"Price, therefore, is a reflection of supply and demand."

Economics Basics: Demand and Supply

Are you really as brain-dead as your posts suggest?

You are forgetting cost.

Raw Materials. Production. Utilities. Storage. Distribution. Transportation. Shelf Life. Maintenance. Advertizing. To name a few.

Or would you sell at a loss, and burden the system further?

If supply represents how much the market can offer, wouldn't the factors you list as costs be incorporated into the supply relationship?

 

[Nic_Driver]

Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??

Ummm, you are aware that "Demand" is the driving force behind effort, innovation, and assertion? Right? Without demand, why bother?

The demand for a polio vaccine existed for 10,000 years, but there was no polio vaccine available until Jonas Salk invented it.

Demand doesn't cause jack shit to come into existence.

Except the research jobs required to discover the vaccine.

Demand creates jobs, it's a really simple truth, even for a Republican.

 

[Mr.Nick]

WOW....

Here I thought that under a free market economic model supply and demand principals created jobs.

 

[georgephillip]

Where does effort, or innovation, or assertion even fit into your perspective??

Ummm, you are aware that "Demand" is the driving force behind effort, innovation, and assertion? Right? Without demand, why bother?

The demand for a polio vaccine existed for 10,000 years, but there was no polio vaccine available until Jonas Salk invented it.

Demand doesn't cause jack shit to come into existence.

Except the research jobs required to discover the vaccine.

Demand creates jobs, it's a really simple truth, even for a Republican.

If it's true a job is created when demand for goods or services is greater than the existing ability to provide them, then demand also creates business. Republicans today seem oblivious to how many of the biggest US businesses would rather kill existing jobs than create new ones. (at least on this side of the Pacific).

"Businesses have more incentives to eliminate jobs than to create them.

"Businesses in our economy exist to create profits, not jobs.

"This means the incentive is for a business to create as few jobs as possible at the lowest possible cost.

"They also constantly strive to reduce the number of people they employ by bringing in machines, outsourcing or finding other ways to reduce the payroll. This is called 'cutting costs' which leads to higher profits.

"The same incentive also pushes the business to pay as little as possible when they do hire. (It also pushes businesses to cut worker safety protections, cut product quality, cut customer service, 'externalize' costs by polluting, etc.)"

Businesses Do Not Create Jobs | OurFuture.org

 

[georgephillip]

WOW....

Here I thought that under a free market economic model supply and demand principals created jobs.

I think it depends on whether your market is "free" from domination by rents and interests (today's FIRE sector) or whether the market is "free" from all government regulations.

"Classical economists characterized the rent and interest accruing to the FIRE sector as 'unearned income,' headed by land rent and land-price ('capital') gains, which John Stuart Mill described as what landlords made 'in their sleep.'

"Milton Friedman, by contrast, insisted that 'there is no such thing as a free lunch' – as if the economy were not all about a free lunch and how to get it.

"And the main way to get it is to dismantle the role of government and sell off the public domain – on credit."

Michael Hudson: The Chicago Boys' Free Market Theology

 

[georgephillip]

Because Marxism is based on the economic evils of capitalistic managed corporations which is what you are saying.
Life ,Liberty and the pursuit of happiness are guarantees not entitlements
Entitlements are Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, welfare so on and so on.

Entitlements are rights that "structure the form of government, the content of laws, and the shape of morality as it is currently perceived."

"Categories of Rights

"A right to life, a right to choose; a right to vote, to work, to strike; a right to one phone call, to dissolve parliament, to operate a forklift, to asylum, to equal treatment before the law, to feel proud of what one has done; a right to exist, to sentence an offender to death, to launch a nuclear first strike, to castle kingside, to a distinct genetic identity; a right to believe one's eyes, to pronounce the couple husband and wife, to be left alone, to go to hell in one's own way."

Rights (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

IMHO, Karl Marx was dead wrong about the solution to capitalism;however, he saw its terror up close and personal, and he also saw very clearly how capital becomes a revolutionary force after it emasculates government.