Dear GOP, The Happiest People in the World Have Universal Health Care

[westwall]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

how many of them have 300 million people in a country as big as we are to take care of?.....just asking

China has universal health care, which is ranked higher than the USA, AND they have a larger population than the US.

You too could have universal health care and for a LOT less money than you're currently paying. Single payer would eliminate 25% of your current costs which are eaten up by administration and insurance company profits. Doctors wouldn't need third party billing companies or staff to obtain pre-approvals.

And then there is the reality of the Chinese care. You see there is a huge difference between what is claimed, and what is actually happening.


"Though China's extensive 2008 reforms are still in process, a number of problems, mostly concerning tertiary hospital care, continue to challenge its leadership. First, many of the country's publicly owned but profit-driven tertiary hospitals successfully resisted the latest reform efforts — a reality that probably reflects the hospitals' power within China's political system. As a result, frustrated authorities sought to use market forces once again to bring the hospital sector into line. In 2012, the leadership announced that they would invite private investors to own up to 20% of China's hospitals by 2015, double the preexisting rate.4

Second, major inequities continue between the health care available in poor rural areas and that in more affluent cities.5 Third, China continues to struggle with creating a high-quality, trusted, professionalized physician workforce. One legacy of China's market experiment is a widespread perception that physicians put their economic welfare ahead of patients' interests.

Though China's health care system is still rapidly evolving, several potentially useful lessons emerge from its recent history. The first is that in low-income countries, and perhaps high-income ones as well, community health workers such as China's barefoot doctors can significantly improve the health status of local populations.

Second, relying largely on markets to fund and distribute health services creates risks that need careful consideration. Though government price setting created market distortions, these do not fully explain the problems with quality, access, and cost that China experienced in the second phase of its recent history. Health care is subject to serious market failures. Asymmetries in information between patients and health care providers make it difficult for patients to make sound choices in free health care markets, and patients' lesser knowledge may be exploited by clinicians. Patients' resulting vulnerability, resentment, and distrust can be socially destabilizing — and may intensify when patients are heavily exposed to the costs of care, as they were until recently in China.



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[Anathema]

.Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

Fact: Happiness is not the point of life. Propriety and Decency ARE. There is no Right to healthcare. Never has been. The damage that accepting government medicine does to the Soul is far greater than anything that medicine can fix.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

how many of them have 300 million people in a country as big as we are to take care of?.....just asking

China has universal health care, which is ranked higher than the USA, AND they have a larger population than the US.

You too could have universal health care and for a LOT less money than you're currently paying. Single payer would eliminate 25% of your current costs which are eaten up by administration and insurance company profits. Doctors wouldn't need third party billing companies or staff to obtain pre-approvals.

lady i know people who have lived in china and when i was delivering mail i had some people from china living and working here....they have lots of problems because of their population....basically those working and living in the big cities get the care and those in the outskirts get shit....

 

[boedicca]

Is the word "universal" code for free shit for freeloaders paid for by people who work a job?

Here? yes. Homogeneous countries? No.

Sweden becoming less so. It will be interesting to see what this mass migration from the third world does to their generous welfare state down the road here.

What's happening in Sweden is the development of a Real Rape Culture as Swedish women who are attacked by immigrants are told to cover themselves and stay home.

 

[Dragonlady]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

how many of them have 300 million people in a country as big as we are to take care of?.....just asking

China has universal health care, which is ranked higher than the USA, AND they have a larger population than the US.

You too could have universal health care and for a LOT less money than you're currently paying. Single payer would eliminate 25% of your current costs which are eaten up by administration and insurance company profits. Doctors wouldn't need third party billing companies or staff to obtain pre-approvals.

And then there is the reality of the Chinese care. You see there is a huge difference between what is claimed, and what is actually happening.


"Though China's extensive 2008 reforms are still in process, a number of problems, mostly concerning tertiary hospital care, continue to challenge its leadership. First, many of the country's publicly owned but profit-driven tertiary hospitals successfully resisted the latest reform efforts — a reality that probably reflects the hospitals' power within China's political system. As a result, frustrated authorities sought to use market forces once again to bring the hospital sector into line. In 2012, the leadership announced that they would invite private investors to own up to 20% of China's hospitals by 2015, double the preexisting rate.4

Second, major inequities continue between the health care available in poor rural areas and that in more affluent cities.5 Third, China continues to struggle with creating a high-quality, trusted, professionalized physician workforce. One legacy of China's market experiment is a widespread perception that physicians put their economic welfare ahead of patients' interests.

Though China's health care system is still rapidly evolving, several potentially useful lessons emerge from its recent history. The first is that in low-income countries, and perhaps high-income ones as well, community health workers such as China's barefoot doctors can significantly improve the health status of local populations.

Second, relying largely on markets to fund and distribute health services creates risks that need careful consideration. Though government price setting created market distortions, these do not fully explain the problems with quality, access, and cost that China experienced in the second phase of its recent history. Health care is subject to serious market failures. Asymmetries in information between patients and health care providers make it difficult for patients to make sound choices in free health care markets, and patients' lesser knowledge may be exploited by clinicians. Patients' resulting vulnerability, resentment, and distrust can be socially destabilizing — and may intensify when patients are heavily exposed to the costs of care, as they were until recently in China.



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And yet this system is still BETTER than the American system.

You have centres of excellence like John Hopkins, or St. Jude's but the reality for Americans is no different than it is for China. Many poor rural areas in the US don't have family doctors or local hospitals. The poor have a vastly different standard of care from the rich, and paying for health care is still a factor in a significant number of bankruptcies.

 

[westwall]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

how many of them have 300 million people in a country as big as we are to take care of?.....just asking

China has universal health care, which is ranked higher than the USA, AND they have a larger population than the US.

You too could have universal health care and for a LOT less money than you're currently paying. Single payer would eliminate 25% of your current costs which are eaten up by administration and insurance company profits. Doctors wouldn't need third party billing companies or staff to obtain pre-approvals.

And then there is the reality of the Chinese care. You see there is a huge difference between what is claimed, and what is actually happening.


"Though China's extensive 2008 reforms are still in process, a number of problems, mostly concerning tertiary hospital care, continue to challenge its leadership. First, many of the country's publicly owned but profit-driven tertiary hospitals successfully resisted the latest reform efforts — a reality that probably reflects the hospitals' power within China's political system. As a result, frustrated authorities sought to use market forces once again to bring the hospital sector into line. In 2012, the leadership announced that they would invite private investors to own up to 20% of China's hospitals by 2015, double the preexisting rate.4

Second, major inequities continue between the health care available in poor rural areas and that in more affluent cities.5 Third, China continues to struggle with creating a high-quality, trusted, professionalized physician workforce. One legacy of China's market experiment is a widespread perception that physicians put their economic welfare ahead of patients' interests.

Though China's health care system is still rapidly evolving, several potentially useful lessons emerge from its recent history. The first is that in low-income countries, and perhaps high-income ones as well, community health workers such as China's barefoot doctors can significantly improve the health status of local populations.

Second, relying largely on markets to fund and distribute health services creates risks that need careful consideration. Though government price setting created market distortions, these do not fully explain the problems with quality, access, and cost that China experienced in the second phase of its recent history. Health care is subject to serious market failures. Asymmetries in information between patients and health care providers make it difficult for patients to make sound choices in free health care markets, and patients' lesser knowledge may be exploited by clinicians. Patients' resulting vulnerability, resentment, and distrust can be socially destabilizing — and may intensify when patients are heavily exposed to the costs of care, as they were until recently in China.



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And yet this system is still BETTER than the American system.

You have centres of excellence like John Hopkins, or St. Jude's but the reality for Americans is no different than it is for China. Many poor rural areas in the US don't have family doctors or local hospitals. The poor have a vastly different standard of care from the rich, and paying for health care is still a factor in a significant number of bankruptcies.

You might want to run that by the millions who have no insurance even though they are supposed to have it. The same go's for cuba. Moore made his wonderful movie where his handlers took him to the hospital that the elites get to use. The reality for the rest of the cuban citizenry is far different. You don't see Americans rushing down to cuba for their medical procedures do you.

That's the problem with you progressives. So long as the words sound good you can care less about the reality.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

how many of them have 300 million people in a country as big as we are to take care of?.....just asking

China has universal health care, which is ranked higher than the USA, AND they have a larger population than the US.

You too could have universal health care and for a LOT less money than you're currently paying. Single payer would eliminate 25% of your current costs which are eaten up by administration and insurance company profits. Doctors wouldn't need third party billing companies or staff to obtain pre-approvals.

And then there is the reality of the Chinese care. You see there is a huge difference between what is claimed, and what is actually happening.


"Though China's extensive 2008 reforms are still in process, a number of problems, mostly concerning tertiary hospital care, continue to challenge its leadership. First, many of the country's publicly owned but profit-driven tertiary hospitals successfully resisted the latest reform efforts — a reality that probably reflects the hospitals' power within China's political system. As a result, frustrated authorities sought to use market forces once again to bring the hospital sector into line. In 2012, the leadership announced that they would invite private investors to own up to 20% of China's hospitals by 2015, double the preexisting rate.4

Second, major inequities continue between the health care available in poor rural areas and that in more affluent cities.5 Third, China continues to struggle with creating a high-quality, trusted, professionalized physician workforce. One legacy of China's market experiment is a widespread perception that physicians put their economic welfare ahead of patients' interests.

Though China's health care system is still rapidly evolving, several potentially useful lessons emerge from its recent history. The first is that in low-income countries, and perhaps high-income ones as well, community health workers such as China's barefoot doctors can significantly improve the health status of local populations.

Second, relying largely on markets to fund and distribute health services creates risks that need careful consideration. Though government price setting created market distortions, these do not fully explain the problems with quality, access, and cost that China experienced in the second phase of its recent history. Health care is subject to serious market failures. Asymmetries in information between patients and health care providers make it difficult for patients to make sound choices in free health care markets, and patients' lesser knowledge may be exploited by clinicians. Patients' resulting vulnerability, resentment, and distrust can be socially destabilizing — and may intensify when patients are heavily exposed to the costs of care, as they were until recently in China.



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And yet this system is still BETTER than the American system.

You have centres of excellence like John Hopkins, or St. Jude's but the reality for Americans is no different than it is for China. Many poor rural areas in the US don't have family doctors or local hospitals. The poor have a vastly different standard of care from the rich, and paying for health care is still a factor in a significant number of bankruptcies.

is it?.....you would have to prove that to me....

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

I'd be the happiest motherfucker in the world if others were giving me free shit too.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Is the word "universal" code for free shit for freeloaders paid for by people who work a job?

Here? yes. Homogeneous countries? No.

Sweden becoming less so. It will be interesting to see what this mass migration from the third world does to their generous welfare state down the road here.

We can't afford to be generous with $20 trillion in debt and over $100 trillion in unfunded promises of free shit from government. This spending party bankrolled by borrowing and sticking future generations with our unpaid loans will come to an end.

And it's not going to end well.

It never does.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

Give them a two month tax holiday and watch them revolt when reinstalled





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[Dragonlady]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

I'd be the happiest motherfucker in the world if others were giving me free shit too.

It's not free. It's included in our taxes. When I was still working, my employer paid a tax equal to 1% of my salary and I paid $25 per month. Retired people pay nothing.

Canada has a comparable quality of care to the US, at nearly half the cost per person.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Pay now, or pay later. That's the reality of health care. No one is getting out of this alive and people who don't worry about access to health care live a lot longer and happier than those who do!


""""(CNN) — Norwegians have more reason than ever to celebrate the International Day of Happiness.
After ranking fourth for the last two years, Norway jumped three spots and displaced three-time winner Denmark to take the title of "world's happiest country" for the first time.
Denmark dropped to second place this year, followed by Iceland, Switzerland, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand and Australia and Sweden (which tied for ninth place), according to the latest World Happiness Report, released Monday by the Sustainable Development Solutions Network for the United Nations."""

Fact: All of those countries listed above have universal health care, too.
List of countries with universal health care - Wikipedia

I'd be the happiest motherfucker in the world if others were giving me free shit too.

It's not free. It's included in our taxes. When I was still working, my employer paid a tax equal to 1% of my salary and I paid $25 per month. Retired people pay nothing.

Canada has a comparable quality of care to the US, at nearly half the cost per person.

If taxes were so low how come all the NBA and hockey teams left Canada?


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[Iceweasel]

I haven't been to Sweden but lived in German 7 years. Only pensioners didn't work. Europeans are very work oriented. Many, too many, Americans have no problem living off the sweat of your brow. This is a materialistic entitlement society these days.

 

[Iceweasel]

When I was still working, my employer paid a tax equal to 1% of my salary and I paid $25 per month. Retired people pay nothing.

Y'all must be a LOT healthier than Americans.

 

[nat4900]

The VAST majority of European countries with universal health care also do NOT have MILLIONS of non white welfare scum sucking off the tit either. They are homogeneous countries where everyone works and pays taxes to care for each other. Its as close to Utopia as you can come really. I am all for Universal Health care AND Universal Education k-college but it won't work here.