Darwin vs DNA

[Hollie]

Jake, biochemists believe that it is possible that man lived that long. Due to our chemistry.

Who are the biochemists which believe that?

Keep in mind that when Noah started building that boat in his yard there was no water nearby to float it in. Rain did not exist. The earth was sort of like a terrarium. Harmful rays were filtered by a layer of water, or firmament. The same water that flooded the earth.
God shortened man's life span at that time of the flood. Gen. 6:3
God did it. Biochemistry affirms it.

Have you written your own version of the bibile to make these claims?

 

[Hollie]

Only in your opinion, TIR. You have no empirical evidence.

You keep saying that.
Standard notable elements of dirt and man:

Oxygen
Silicon
Aluminum
Iron
Calcium
Magnesium
Potassium
Titanium
Hydrogen

________________________________________________________________________

# Oxygen
# Carbon
# Hydrogen
# Nitrogen
# Calcium
# Phosphorus
# Potassium
# Sulfur
# Sodium
# Magnesium
# Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron
# Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium

Which one is dirt and which one is us?
Did we evolve into dirt?

Your earlier claim was that man was made of clay, or like clay.

That has been amended from clay to dirt. You're just making this up as you go along, right?

 

[Hollie]

Hello Jake, the bible has given plenty of evidence that was not confirmed until technology was developed. Many of these things could not be known by man at the time of these writings .where did the information come from ?

How cute. Cutting and pasting from the snake oil salesman at the Institute of Creation Research.

Many of its members are are the honor roll of the Encyclopedia of American Loons, such as John Morris.


Encyclopedia of American Loons: #288: John D. Morris

John D. Morris is the son of the original modern young earth creationist, Henry Morris, the first one to try to construe science as “just another religion”, and hence on equal footing with respect to truth-aptness as Biblical literalism. John D. has followed in his father’s footsteps as president of the Institute for Creation Research (he is also an engineer). Most of his time is spent touring churches to misrepresent the fossil record (some of it is actually covered here; see also this and this).

His general tactic is to contrast the “harmful philosophies” and “evil practices” that are “fruits” of the evolutionary tree (including promiscuity, pornography, homosexuality, atheism & abortion), with the “genuine Christianity” and “correct practices” of the creationist tree (including “true history”, “true Americanism”, “true science”, and “true government&#8221. Relatively standard fare, discussed nicely in this three part series (John features prominently): Part I, Part II, and Part III.

Together with Ken Ham he has written what seems to pass for a science textbook among creationists.

He’s not the only spawn of Henry Morris running around creating havoc. Henry Morris III is the CEO of the Institute for Creation Research (and ol’ Henry’s grandson, apparently). He was the guy who was most involved in the institute’s attempt to be given the authority to pass out graduate degrees in science. While their attempts found some support (see Leo Berman), it eventually failed, fortunately.

Diagnosis: Pretty standard fare for an Encyclopedia of Loons, but that does of course not excuse any of it. Dishonest nutters, both of them.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Jake, biochemists believe that it is possible that man lived that long. Due to our chemistry.

Who are the biochemists which believe that?

Keep in mind that when Noah started building that boat in his yard there was no water nearby to float it in. Rain did not exist. The earth was sort of like a terrarium. Harmful rays were filtered by a layer of water, or firmament. The same water that flooded the earth.
God shortened man's life span at that time of the flood. Gen. 6:3
God did it. Biochemistry affirms it.

Have you written your own version of the bibile to make these claims?

1. God was the first to not want to suffer fools for a long time.
2. So he took away the firmament, while bursting the waters from sub-terrain.
2. a) It had never even rained before the flood.
3. Which took away human years, or life spans.
4. Dinosaurs were not in the inhabited area where man lived, so rarely did they even have contact, humans knew where they were, but didn't need to go there.
5. Humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together, same time.
6. Flood got em.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Youwerecreated]

Only in your opinion, TIR. You have no empirical evidence.

You keep saying that.
Standard notable elements of dirt and man:

Oxygen
Silicon
Aluminum
Iron
Calcium
Magnesium
Potassium
Titanium
Hydrogen

________________________________________________________________________

# Oxygen
# Carbon
# Hydrogen
# Nitrogen
# Calcium
# Phosphorus
# Potassium
# Sulfur
# Sodium
# Magnesium
# Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron
# Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium

Which one is dirt and which one is us?
Did we evolve into dirt?

Your earlier claim was that man was made of clay, or like clay.

That has been amended from clay to dirt. You're just making this up as you go along, right?

Is there much difference between clay ,dirt,and dust ? They all contains the elements that make up humans.

 

[Hollie]

You keep saying that.
Standard notable elements of dirt and man:

Oxygen
Silicon
Aluminum
Iron
Calcium
Magnesium
Potassium
Titanium
Hydrogen

________________________________________________________________________

# Oxygen
# Carbon
# Hydrogen
# Nitrogen
# Calcium
# Phosphorus
# Potassium
# Sulfur
# Sodium
# Magnesium
# Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron
# Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium

Which one is dirt and which one is us?
Did we evolve into dirt?

Your earlier claim was that man was made of clay, or like clay.

That has been amended from clay to dirt. You're just making this up as you go along, right?

Is there much difference between clay ,dirt,and dust ? They all contains the elements that make up humans.

Why do you and others find a need to re-write the bible?

Does the bible say man from was made clay or not? Decaying matter also contains the elements noted above. Is mankind thus really made from decaying matter?

Once again, those elements noted are found in nature. There is nothing supermagical or supernatural about nature.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Hello Jake, the bible has given plenty of evidence that was not confirmed until technology was developed. Many of these things could not be known by man at the time of these writings .where did the information come from ?

How cute. Cutting and pasting from the snake oil salesman at the Institute of Creation Research.

Many of its members are are the honor roll of the Encyclopedia of American Loons, such as John Morris.


Encyclopedia of American Loons: #288: John D. Morris

John D. Morris is the son of the original modern young earth creationist, Henry Morris, the first one to try to construe science as “just another religion”, and hence on equal footing with respect to truth-aptness as Biblical literalism. John D. has followed in his father’s footsteps as president of the Institute for Creation Research (he is also an engineer). Most of his time is spent touring churches to misrepresent the fossil record (some of it is actually covered here; see also this and this).

His general tactic is to contrast the “harmful philosophies” and “evil practices” that are “fruits” of the evolutionary tree (including promiscuity, pornography, homosexuality, atheism & abortion), with the “genuine Christianity” and “correct practices” of the creationist tree (including “true history”, “true Americanism”, “true science”, and “true government”). Relatively standard fare, discussed nicely in this three part series (John features prominently): Part I, Part II, and Part III.

Together with Ken Ham he has written what seems to pass for a science textbook among creationists.

He’s not the only spawn of Henry Morris running around creating havoc. Henry Morris III is the CEO of the Institute for Creation Research (and ol’ Henry’s grandson, apparently). He was the guy who was most involved in the institute’s attempt to be given the authority to pass out graduate degrees in science. While their attempts found some support (see Leo Berman), it eventually failed, fortunately.

Diagnosis: Pretty standard fare for an Encyclopedia of Loons, but that does of course not excuse any of it. Dishonest nutters, both of them.

Typical of you Hollie, you can't bring yourself to admit that the bibles writings have been confirmed through modern day science.

You turn to your normal rhetoric when presented with something you have no answer for.

I ask you hollie, how did men that wrote the books of the bible know such things at the time of these writings ?

Deal with each subject one at a time,then see if your faith does not get shaken. I think it does a lot already and that is why you avoid what was raised and turn to you rhetoric.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Your earlier claim was that man was made of clay, or like clay.

That has been amended from clay to dirt. You're just making this up as you go along, right?

Is there much difference between clay ,dirt,and dust ? They all contains the elements that make up humans.

Why do you and others find a need to re-write the bible?

Does the bible say man from was made clay or not? Decaying matter also contains the elements noted above. Is mankind thus really made from decaying matter?

Once again, those elements noted are found in nature. There is nothing supermagical or supernatural about nature.

1. You were made from dust and dust you shall return.
2. Dust can be clay and clay can be dust when there is lack of moisture.
3. Its not rocket science.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[ima]

Sorry bout that,

Jake, biochemists believe that it is possible that man lived that long. Due to our chemistry.

Who are the biochemists which believe that?

Keep in mind that when Noah started building that boat in his yard there was no water nearby to float it in. Rain did not exist. The earth was sort of like a terrarium. Harmful rays were filtered by a layer of water, or firmament. The same water that flooded the earth.
God shortened man's life span at that time of the flood. Gen. 6:3
God did it. Biochemistry affirms it.

Have you written your own version of the bibile to make these claims?

1. God was the first to not want to suffer fools for a long time.
2. So he took away the firmament, while bursting the waters from sub-terrain.
2. a) It had never even rained before the flood.
3. Which took away human years, or life spans.
4. Dinosaurs were not in the inhabited area where man lived, so rarely did they even have contact, humans knew where they were, but didn't need to go there.
5. Humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together, same time.
6. Flood got em.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So how do you explain that dinosaur bones are fossilized, a process that takes millions of years? And how do you explain that plants survived without rain? Did they have roots back then?
How did Noah get 2 of every animal from South America, Africa, Asia and North America? Did he have a lot of air miles saved up?
How do you explain that dinosaur bones have been found in places where man lived?
Is everyone in Texas as dumb as GW BUSH and you?

 

[Hollie]

Hello Jake, the bible has given plenty of evidence that was not confirmed until technology was developed. Many of these things could not be known by man at the time of these writings .where did the information come from ?

How cute. Cutting and pasting from the snake oil salesman at the Institute of Creation Research.

Many of its members are are the honor roll of the Encyclopedia of American Loons, such as John Morris.


Encyclopedia of American Loons: #288: John D. Morris

John D. Morris is the son of the original modern young earth creationist, Henry Morris, the first one to try to construe science as “just another religion”, and hence on equal footing with respect to truth-aptness as Biblical literalism. John D. has followed in his father’s footsteps as president of the Institute for Creation Research (he is also an engineer). Most of his time is spent touring churches to misrepresent the fossil record (some of it is actually covered here; see also this and this).

His general tactic is to contrast the “harmful philosophies” and “evil practices” that are “fruits” of the evolutionary tree (including promiscuity, pornography, homosexuality, atheism & abortion), with the “genuine Christianity” and “correct practices” of the creationist tree (including “true history”, “true Americanism”, “true science”, and “true government”). Relatively standard fare, discussed nicely in this three part series (John features prominently): Part I, Part II, and Part III.

Together with Ken Ham he has written what seems to pass for a science textbook among creationists.

He’s not the only spawn of Henry Morris running around creating havoc. Henry Morris III is the CEO of the Institute for Creation Research (and ol’ Henry’s grandson, apparently). He was the guy who was most involved in the institute’s attempt to be given the authority to pass out graduate degrees in science. While their attempts found some support (see Leo Berman), it eventually failed, fortunately.

Diagnosis: Pretty standard fare for an Encyclopedia of Loons, but that does of course not excuse any of it. Dishonest nutters, both of them.

Typical of you Hollie, you can't bring yourself to admit that the bibles writings have been confirmed through modern day science.

You turn to your normal rhetoric when presented with something you have no answer for.

I ask you hollie, how did men that wrote the books of the bible know such things at the time of these writings ?

Deal with each subject one at a time,then see if your faith does not get shaken. I think it does a lot already and that is why you avoid what was raised and turn to you rhetoric.

As usual, it’s your tactic to cut and paste entire volumes of material from creationist websites and then expect others to “refute” your cutting and pasting. If John Morris was available to defend the nonsense you cut and pasted, that challenge would credible. But the fact remains, you’re not credible.

Secondly, I saw nothing in your cutting and pasting that was a credible example of an explanation of some “miracle” knowledge elucidated in the bible. Reasoned arguments come from those who spend their time studying the issues. Your cutting and pasting from a creationist ministry is the standard, boilerplate debunked creationist claims to “miracle” knowledge that scientists are just now discovering. You should also be aware that you’re in competition with Koranic “miracles” making similar claims.

It’s a shame that you make these silly, unsubstantiated claims as they give humans no room for any further development. When practitioners of religion try to extend the reach of their holy books beyond the spiritual, it tends toward a backward society. I've dealt with people like you and the Irish Ram and it's chilling. Your animosity to open investigation is palpable. The earth isn't flat. Species evolved. These are not spiritual facts, they're material. And when religionists proclaim they've found a verse in a holy book that contradicts them, they're wrong because they've read into the verse something beyond its spiritual intent.

 

[Hollie]

Sorry bout that,

Is there much difference between clay ,dirt,and dust ? They all contains the elements that make up humans.

Why do you and others find a need to re-write the bible?

Does the bible say man from was made clay or not? Decaying matter also contains the elements noted above. Is mankind thus really made from decaying matter?

Once again, those elements noted are found in nature. There is nothing supermagical or supernatural about nature.

1. You were made from dust and dust you shall return.
2. Dust can be clay and clay can be dust when there is lack of moisture.
3. Its not rocket science.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You should be aware that I'm not expecting rocket science material.

Because I've actually studied geology and the earth sciences I can tell you that clay has distinctive properties other than moisture that separate clay from dust.

One clue that might have keyed in your understanding of the two is that they're even spelled differently.

Isn't that amazing? Why, it might even be a "miracle"!

How is it possible that you, others and the miraculous bible share such confusion on this issue?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Sorry bout that,

Who are the biochemists which believe that?

Have you written your own version of the bibile to make these claims?

1. God was the first to not want to suffer fools for a long time.
2. So he took away the firmament, while bursting the waters from sub-terrain.
2. a) It had never even rained before the flood.
3. Which took away human years, or life spans.
4. Dinosaurs were not in the inhabited area where man lived, so rarely did they even have contact, humans knew where they were, but didn't need to go there.
5. Humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together, same time.
6. Flood got em.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So how do you explain that dinosaur bones are fossilized, a process that takes millions of years? And how do you explain that plants survived without rain? Did they have roots back then?
How did Noah get 2 of every animal from South America, Africa, Asia and North America? Did he have a lot of air miles saved up?
How do you explain that dinosaur bones have been found in places where man lived?
Is everyone in Texas as dumb as GW BUSH and you?

It does not take millions of years for fossils to form there is a lot of evidence proving otherwise.

That is kinda like asking How did God create. That is the basis for atheist beliefs because they have not laid eyes on the creator or can't explain his abilities and intelligence. Just because you can't understand a force that could gather all the animals needed and bring them to the Noah is not proof it didn't happen.

So instead of get bogged down by questions neither side can answer without doubt focus on the things we do know. A fair person can see that the bible contains information that could not be known at the time of their writings.

How could man know there are valleys ,mountains,and springs at the bottom of the ocean ? How could they know that we are made up of things indiscernible by our eyes ? How did they know we are made from the dust of the earth ?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Sorry bout that,

Why do you and others find a need to re-write the bible?

Does the bible say man from was made clay or not? Decaying matter also contains the elements noted above. Is mankind thus really made from decaying matter?

Once again, those elements noted are found in nature. There is nothing supermagical or supernatural about nature.

1. You were made from dust and dust you shall return.
2. Dust can be clay and clay can be dust when there is lack of moisture.
3. Its not rocket science.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You should be aware that I'm not expecting rocket science material.

Because I've actually studied geology and the earth sciences I can tell you that clay has distinctive properties other than moisture that separate clay from dust.

One clue that might have keyed in your understanding of the two is that they're even spelled differently.

Isn't that amazing? Why, it might even be a "miracle"!

How is it possible that you, others and the miraculous bible share such confusion on this issue?

1. Ahhh,..both have four letters as well as *dirt*, there you go.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Sorry bout that,

Who are the biochemists which believe that?

Have you written your own version of the bibile to make these claims?

1. God was the first to not want to suffer fools for a long time.
2. So he took away the firmament, while bursting the waters from sub-terrain.
2. a) It had never even rained before the flood.
3. Which took away human years, or life spans.
4. Dinosaurs were not in the inhabited area where man lived, so rarely did they even have contact, humans knew where they were, but didn't need to go there.
5. Humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together, same time.
6. Flood got em.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So how do you explain that dinosaur bones are fossilized, a process that takes millions of years? And how do you explain that plants survived without rain? Did they have roots back then?
How did Noah get 2 of every animal from South America, Africa, Asia and North America? Did he have a lot of air miles saved up?
How do you explain that dinosaur bones have been found in places where man lived?
Is everyone in Texas as dumb as GW BUSH and you?

1. I have *all* your answers, but I'm not going to tell you, *sercet*.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Youwerecreated]

How cute. Cutting and pasting from the snake oil salesman at the Institute of Creation Research.

Many of its members are are the honor roll of the Encyclopedia of American Loons, such as John Morris.


Encyclopedia of American Loons: #288: John D. Morris

John D. Morris is the son of the original modern young earth creationist, Henry Morris, the first one to try to construe science as “just another religion”, and hence on equal footing with respect to truth-aptness as Biblical literalism. John D. has followed in his father’s footsteps as president of the Institute for Creation Research (he is also an engineer). Most of his time is spent touring churches to misrepresent the fossil record (some of it is actually covered here; see also this and this).

His general tactic is to contrast the “harmful philosophies” and “evil practices” that are “fruits” of the evolutionary tree (including promiscuity, pornography, homosexuality, atheism & abortion), with the “genuine Christianity” and “correct practices” of the creationist tree (including “true history”, “true Americanism”, “true science”, and “true government”). Relatively standard fare, discussed nicely in this three part series (John features prominently): Part I, Part II, and Part III.

Together with Ken Ham he has written what seems to pass for a science textbook among creationists.

He’s not the only spawn of Henry Morris running around creating havoc. Henry Morris III is the CEO of the Institute for Creation Research (and ol’ Henry’s grandson, apparently). He was the guy who was most involved in the institute’s attempt to be given the authority to pass out graduate degrees in science. While their attempts found some support (see Leo Berman), it eventually failed, fortunately.

Diagnosis: Pretty standard fare for an Encyclopedia of Loons, but that does of course not excuse any of it. Dishonest nutters, both of them.

Typical of you Hollie, you can't bring yourself to admit that the bibles writings have been confirmed through modern day science.

You turn to your normal rhetoric when presented with something you have no answer for.

I ask you hollie, how did men that wrote the books of the bible know such things at the time of these writings ?

Deal with each subject one at a time,then see if your faith does not get shaken. I think it does a lot already and that is why you avoid what was raised and turn to you rhetoric.

As usual, it’s your tactic to cut and paste entire volumes of material from creationist websites and then expect others to “refute” your cutting and pasting. If John Morris was available to defend the nonsense you cut and pasted, that challenge would credible. But the fact remains, you’re not credible.

Secondly, I saw nothing in your cutting and pasting that was a credible example of an explanation of some “miracle” knowledge elucidated in the bible. Reasoned arguments come from those who spend their time studying the issues. Your cutting and pasting from a creationist ministry is the standard, boilerplate debunked creationist claims to “miracle” knowledge that scientists are just now discovering. You should also be aware that you’re in competition with Koranic “miracles” making similar claims.

It’s a shame that you make these silly, unsubstantiated claims as they give humans no room for any further development. When practitioners of religion try to extend the reach of their holy books beyond the spiritual, it tends toward a backward society. I've dealt with people like you and the Irish Ram and it's chilling. Your animosity to open investigation is palpable. The earth isn't flat. Species evolved. These are not spiritual facts, they're material. And when religionists proclaim they've found a verse in a holy book that contradicts them, they're wrong because they've read into the verse something beyond its spiritual intent.

Reading into the scriptures Hollie, don't scienctist do the same with evidence ? We read or see and interpret,not a difficult concept Hollie.

 

[Hollie]

Everyone here should take a look at your response in the creation thread concerning carbon - 14 in dinosaur bones. You don't have a clue concerning science..

You're obviously confused as I've had to consistently and repeatedly correct your false cutting and pasting from the ICR.

Hollow you are a pretender not a contender on this subject . Your ignorance is on display in the creationist thread.

Ah, as we've seen so often, when your arguments fail you resort to name-callling.

As you were the one who cut and pasted what seems like half the volume of material from a creationist ministry (as you've done similarly by cutting and pasting from Harun Yahya), why don't you start with the first claim of your earlier cut and paste and describe to us why you think the biblical claim is valid. Be sure to offer relevant support for the creationist claim.

 

[JakeStarkey]

TIR wants to live by faith claims, that science cannot replicate.

Jake, biochemists believe that it is possible that man lived that long. Due to our chemistry.

Who are the biochemists which believe that?

Keep in mind that when Noah started building that boat in his yard there was no water nearby to float it in. Rain did not exist. The earth was sort of like a terrarium. Harmful rays were filtered by a layer of water, or firmament. The same water that flooded the earth.
God shortened man's life span at that time of the flood. Gen. 6:3
God did it. Biochemistry affirms it.

Have you written your own version of the bibile to make these claims?

 

[JakeStarkey]

TIR makes another faith claim with "Hello Jake, the bible has given plenty of evidence that was not confirmed until technology was developed. Many of these things could not be known by man at the time of these writings .where did the information come from ? "

That's fine, but he has no science to replicate the claims.

TIR is twisting the facts to his philosophy of faith, instead of the belief to the facts.

TIR's errors are common with those who have trouble understanding that evolution and faith are not enemies.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Sorry bout that,

Why do you and others find a need to re-write the bible?

Does the bible say man from was made clay or not? Decaying matter also contains the elements noted above. Is mankind thus really made from decaying matter?

Once again, those elements noted are found in nature. There is nothing supermagical or supernatural about nature.

1. You were made from dust and dust you shall return.
2. Dust can be clay and clay can be dust when there is lack of moisture.
3. Its not rocket science.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

You should be aware that I'm not expecting rocket science material.

Because I've actually studied geology and the earth sciences I can tell you that clay has distinctive properties other than moisture that separate clay from dust.

One clue that might have keyed in your understanding of the two is that they're even spelled differently.

Isn't that amazing? Why, it might even be a "miracle"!

How is it possible that you, others and the miraculous bible share such confusion on this issue?

Hollie it is a miracle that life can come from dust particles of the earth Whether you believe in evolution or creation.

Either men that wrote the bible were more intelligent then men today that needed technology to confirm what was written in the scriptures or these men got their information from the creator himself.

 

[ima]

Sorry bout that,

Sorry bout that,


1. God was the first to not want to suffer fools for a long time.
2. So he took away the firmament, while bursting the waters from sub-terrain.
2. a) It had never even rained before the flood.
3. Which took away human years, or life spans.
4. Dinosaurs were not in the inhabited area where man lived, so rarely did they even have contact, humans knew where they were, but didn't need to go there.
5. Humans and dinosaurs walked the planet together, same time.
6. Flood got em.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So how do you explain that dinosaur bones are fossilized, a process that takes millions of years? And how do you explain that plants survived without rain? Did they have roots back then?
How did Noah get 2 of every animal from South America, Africa, Asia and North America? Did he have a lot of air miles saved up?
How do you explain that dinosaur bones have been found in places where man lived?
Is everyone in Texas as dumb as GW BUSH and you?

1. I have *all* your answers, but I'm not going to tell you, *sercet*.
Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

because you know you have diddly squat. Noah was 600 years old? Prove it please or