No, two of your links had trojan horse viruses attached to them. I choose not to risk my computer with your BS nonsense. If you wish to discuss what they have to say then post excerpts otherwise it is just a load of crap designed to damage computers.
Which, from a unethical twerp like you, is not surprising.
thunder isn't up to "discussing" anything. He is a cut and paste drone. I don't think I have ever seen him express an idea in his own words here that was any more complex than a juvenile ad hominem.
He's olfrauds evil sock. They both are cut and paste drones but trolling blunder responds when olfraud loses control. It's amusing how many backups olfraud produces to support his idiocy. They pop up, post a support for one of olfrauds posts then vanish into the mist rarely to be seen again.