Cuomo Claims Ordering Positive COVID Patients To Nursing Homes Did Not Spread The Virus

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....

HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,

BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....

That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.

It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.

I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)

Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.

You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.

That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.

No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.

We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???

Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?

Liar CDC said no such thing. You lie for mass murder.

 

[Weatherman2020]

200,000 people out of the 500,000 people that are dead, 1 year later from COVID19 are nursing home residents.....40% of the U.S. covid deaths.

For partisan gobbledygook, you all want to single out Cuomo for his State's 15,000 of them with all focus on him, as if he is the sole cause and the other 185,000 of deaths in nursing homes matter naught.

We should all be focussed on why are so many nursing home residents catching and dying from covid in nursing homes? This HUGE PROBLEM is bigger than NY State, and it is much bigger than returning hospital covid residents to an isolation ward in a NHome.... we do need to investigate, and figure out the failures of containment and all other problems discovered....So not to repeat.

Only 6 million Jews got a shower!

 

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Yet you can’t link to any CDC statement saying nursing homes MUST TAKE IN COVID PATIENTS WITHOUT QUESTION AND CANNOT BE TURNED AWAY

 

[Turtlesoup]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

You are spinning------------none other (well besides WHITMER and few other murdering dem governors----forced nursing homes to take in the infected and they were following federal health guidelines---but cuomo who was demanding that billions $$$ be sent to New York because of all the infected did. Stop making excuses--stop lying. NO CDC or federal code says to put deadly virus infected people into nursing homes.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

You are spinning------------none other (well besides WHITMER and few other murdering dem governors----forced nursing homes to take in the infected and they were following federal health guidelines---but cuomo who was demanding that billions $$$ be sent to New York because of all the infected did. Stop making excuses--stop lying. NO CDC or federal code says to put deadly virus infected people into nursing homes.

They just invent lies to protect their masters. Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[Oldestyle]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....

HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,

BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....

That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.

It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.

I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)

Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.

Oh looky there, the internet is FOREVER.

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Yes weatherman, that is a copied direction by NY that IS IN THE cdc/cms guidelines.... that NY lifted in to their policy.

Nursing homes should take back in their residents who they sent to the hospital with covid, when hospitals release the resident from the hospital because they no longer need acute care....even if the resident being released has not shed covid completely.

But of course that is under the condition of following all federal and state in place guidelines on infection control.... separate wards and staff, for 14days, with no remaining symptoms, before moving them back in to the NH general population.

Why is it that nobody in the Cuomo Administration recognized the fact that almost ZERO of New York State's nursing homes could provide separate wards and staff? They were told that by the nursing homes themselves but they insisted that the nursing homes comply with their mandate regardless. Then Cuomo turns around and blames the nursing home industry for the resulting deaths.

 

[Dragonlady]

And tens of thousands dead is just a total exaggeration by you. To date, 15000 or so in total, to date, in NY nursing home deaths from covid.

Only 15000? Much ado about nothing, eh? What if it were your mom...or dad....or daughter/son? Nah. ONLY.

Well Gracie, when you lose 500,000 people, and 36% of those who died lived in long term care facilities, not just in New York, but right across the nation, that means you've lost 180,000 Moms, Dads, grandparents and great grandparents.

The general attitude of Trump fans on this board is that most of these people were old, or sick, and no great loss. That is it more important to save the economy than to save the lives of the elderly or those who get sick.

Except in the case of Governor Cuomo. He is being attacked relentlessly for lying about the number of people who died in LTC facilities. DeSantis lied about the deaths in Florida. Greg Abbott lied about the deaths in Texas, but there is a strong attempt to destroy Cuomo over this.

I'm starting to suspect this is all to detract from the horror that is unfolding in Texas. The deaths unfolding there are the DIRECT result of political decisions made by the Governor and the state legislature. Now that they're starting to go door to door to check on people, they're finding people frozen to death in their homes. Millions of Texans are still without clean drinking water.

 

[Oldestyle]

This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

Whomever is their State Secretary of Health....don't know a name? But they would have been the agency, Dept of Health, to write NY State guidelines off of the CDC/CMS guidelines....

Cuomo wrote and signed his name on the mandate forcing NHs to take China Flu infected people. You are as bad as he is trying to blame everyone else.

No silly one, Cuomo didn't write the New York State Medical guidelines for nursing homes on infectious disease control, for covid. Cuomo signed a direction e about the I r policy, he didn't create it. He has a dept of health, that would do that...

So, someone forged his sig on that order?

Is that how far you will go to suck his shriveled dick?

Nope. He signed it! He just didn't create or write the health guidelines, his dept of health commissioner and staff did....though pretty much, they just copied the cdc/cms national guidelines.

This is the guy who was making millions on a book deal trumpeting his "leadership" during the pandemic but you excuse his signing the order that killed all of those people because it was the fault of the Health Commissioner and their staff? Leadership means taking responsibility for your actions...whether good or bad! Cuomo was THE MAN when it meant money in his pocket and an Emmy up on his mantle but when it came time to take responsibility for what went terribly wrong...he blamed THAT on everyone and everything BUT himself!

 

[Oldestyle]

And tens of thousands dead is just a total exaggeration by you. To date, 15000 or so in total, to date, in NY nursing home deaths from covid.

Only 15000? Much ado about nothing, eh? What if it were your mom...or dad....or daughter/son? Nah. ONLY.

Well Gracie, when you lose 500,000 people, and 36% of those who died lived in long term care facilities, not just in New York, but right across the nation, that means you've lost 180,000 Moms, Dads, grandparents and great grandparents.

The general attitude of Trump fans on this board is that most of these people were old, or sick, and no great loss. That is it more important to save the economy than to save the lives of the elderly or those who get sick.

Except in the case of Governor Cuomo. He is being attacked relentlessly for lying about the number of people who died in LTC facilities. DeSantis lied about the deaths in Florida. Greg Abbott lied about the deaths in Texas, but there is a strong attempt to destroy Cuomo over this.

I'm starting to suspect this is all to detract from the horror that is unfolding in Texas. The deaths unfolding there are the DIRECT result of political decisions made by the Governor and the state legislature. Now that they're starting to go door to door to check on people, they're finding people frozen to death in their homes. Millions of Texans are still without clean drinking water.

LOL...a distraction from Texas? Are you kidding me? Cuomo's blunders with New York State's nursing homes took place months before what's going on now in Texas. The cover-up took place months before what's happened in Texas! You're using THAT to try and excuse what Andrew Cuomo and other liberal Governors did with the emergency powers that they were given because of the Covid epidemic!

 

[Dragonlady]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

You are spinning------------none other (well besides WHITMER and few other murdering dem governors----forced nursing homes to take in the infected and they were following federal health guidelines---but cuomo who was demanding that billions $$$ be sent to New York because of all the infected did. Stop making excuses--stop lying. NO CDC or federal code says to put deadly virus infected people into nursing homes.

They just invent lies to protect their masters. Stockholm Syndrome.

You really are a idiot, and you've become completely unhinged since Trump lost the election. You're projecting your obidiece and fealty to Trump onto others. You're attacking Cuomo, because that's what your Orange God wants you to do. You can't even articulate WHY you're attacking Cuomo, other than to spout right wing talking points.

You can't even properly defend your reasons for attacking Cuomo, but you do it. Every member of the Trump Cult on this board is doing it like a hive mind. Relentlessly. Why? Can you tell us why you're attacking Cuomo?

 

[lantern2814]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

You are spinning------------none other (well besides WHITMER and few other murdering dem governors----forced nursing homes to take in the infected and they were following federal health guidelines---but cuomo who was demanding that billions $$$ be sent to New York because of all the infected did. Stop making excuses--stop lying. NO CDC or federal code says to put deadly virus infected people into nursing homes.

They just invent lies to protect their masters. Stockholm Syndrome.

You really are a idiot, and you've become completely unhinged since Trump lost the election. You're projecting your obidiece and fealty to Trump onto others. You're attacking Cuomo, because that's what your Orange God wants you to do. You can't even articulate WHY you're attacking Cuomo, other than to spout right wing talking points.

You can't even properly defend your reasons for attacking Cuomo, but you do it. Every member of the Trump Cult on this board is doing it like a hive mind. Relentlessly. Why? Can you tell us why you're attacking Cuomo?

Why is he attacking Cuomo the Murderer? You truly are an uneducated dipshit who should shut your mouth since you know NOTHING. Cuomo murdered over 10,000 elderly residents of nursing homes. FACT. He and his administration then lied about it to avoid being investigated. FACT. Cuomo threatened lawmakers who blew the whistle on him. FACT. That clear enough for you? Don’t start your “he followed guidelines” bullshit either. That’s already been debunked.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

You are spinning------------none other (well besides WHITMER and few other murdering dem governors----forced nursing homes to take in the infected and they were following federal health guidelines---but cuomo who was demanding that billions $$$ be sent to New York because of all the infected did. Stop making excuses--stop lying. NO CDC or federal code says to put deadly virus infected people into nursing homes.

They just invent lies to protect their masters. Stockholm Syndrome.

You really are a idiot, and you've become completely unhinged since Trump lost the election. You're projecting your obidiece and fealty to Trump onto others. You're attacking Cuomo, because that's what your Orange God wants you to do. You can't even articulate WHY you're attacking Cuomo, other than to spout right wing talking points.

You can't even properly defend your reasons for attacking Cuomo, but you do it. Every member of the Trump Cult on this board is doing it like a hive mind. Relentlessly. Why? Can you tell us why you're attacking Cuomo?

Says Shitforbrains who continuously makes outrageous lies to defend a mass murderer just because he’s a Democrat.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

NY is not lower, but about right in the middle, with 50.5 deaths per 1000 in nursing homes.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

So while that does not sound too bad, you have to remember that NYC was given access to the USN hospital ship, which they never bothered to use.

The ship was for NON COVID patients, NOT for covid patients.... we found out early on in the pandemic that ships, are not safe, and are super spreaders.... the agreement with the federal gvt, was it would not be used for covid, but for non covid patients....making more room for Covid patients in the hospital.....

But what happened was people stopped calling ambulances or going in to hospitals for their sickness and ailments because they were AFRAID of catching COVID19, so many died at home....

Totally wrong.
A hospital ship does NOT at all spread any disease at all,
And the USNS Comfort was entirely and ONLY for covid patients.
182 covid patients did use it in total, but that is almost no use at all.
Cuomo just did not want to use it for some reason, and told it to leave.

READ the article you posted above in full....

It arrived as a ship for non covid patients.... after it was there they figured out a way to separate covid neg patients from positive patients with a separate ward wing and using no staff or doctors that crossed over or intermingled with non covid staff.... only a c
handful or 2 of covid patients...

Cuomo didn't use it. Doesn't matter what type of patient it was originally there for.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Your hard on for Cuomo, and no other governors who followed the same cdc guidelines, is telling!!!

Where is DeSantis sending his hospitalized nursing home residents when they no longer need acute hospital care? Or where is Texas or Alabama or Kentucky or NJ or Massachusetts or any state, sending their released hospitalized recovering covid nursing home residents?

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Look, his mob boss act with subordinates and state congress critters, and holding back or fudging category of deaths for personal reasons or any of the other recent shit he's done,

I am not defending.

What I am saying is NY health department directives on nursing homes was not created by NY State out of the clear blue sky..... They were taken from the cdc and cms federal guidelines.

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Is he the only governor that f'd up or have all the governor's with even a higher covid nursing home death rates f'd up too? And if these other states with higher nursing home covid death rates than New York are as guilty as Cuomo, then...

Why are you not pointing and calling them out on to the carpet as well?

And why in every state, is nursing home resident deaths the largest chunk of state covid deaths, if all these other states not sending nursing home residents released from their hospital stay back in to nursing home isolation wards,

How and why are nursing home deaths from covid so high in their states?

Your partisan trumper quest and focus to just smear Cuomo, instead of trying to figure out how all of these states are bringing covid in to these nursing homes in the first place, and why is it being spread by staff to resident and resident to resident, and resident back to staff, like wildfire in all states?

We need to figure this out, it's important!

Cuomo fucked up. Just admit it. Everyone else has except Benito himself.

You are really looking stupid for trying to defend this loser.

Boring.... you need some new material....

THE DAM SHATTERS: Even AOC Wants Cuomo’s Nursing Home Scandal Investigated.

where did I say I didn't want it investigated? I want it investigated! I just do not believe there will be any criminal charges against him on that part, because they would have to make all other governors who followed the cdc and cms guidelines on return of residents who were hospitalized with covid, criminals, with charges as well....

As far as Cuomo' s mob boss act with subordinates and fudging numbers.... He could be in trouble for that... No jail time imo..... but certainly will be booted by the voters....

Of course there won’t be criminal charges. He’s a Democrat. He can murder 15,000 people and laugh about it. In your face.
You Leftards love being led around by the nose by rich mass murderers.

He killed all 15000, eh?
So, does this mean you are saying it's ok to accuse Trump of murdering all 450,000 Americans that died from covid on his watch?

Isn't that what you on the left have been doing for the past year?
I still haven't heard a single credible excuse for why Cuomo BEGGED for more ICU beds and then when they were given to New York by the Federal Government...he didn't use them! I don't fault Cuomo for all of the deaths in New York State nursing homes but I fault him for thousands of them! The decision to put infected Covid patients back into nursing homes anticipating needing hospital beds for other patients was so ill thought out that it boggles the mind that anyone would think that was good policy...yet four States did just that and those four States had some of the highest mortality rates in their nursing homes. All four of them were run by liberal Governors.
So go ahead and continue to try and blame deaths on Trump but the facts don't back up our contention. We would have lost far fewer people if liberal Democrats didn't have their heads up their rear ends.

I haven't blamed Trump for All covid deaths the past year...

Google it on why the beds were not needed, the answer is out there...

It wasn't for just anticipated bed needs, everyone in the hospital with covid were released to recoup at home, when they no longer needed hospital care for the illness, NOT just nursing home residents!

In the NY rules, a doctor at the hospital had to certify the nursing home resident hospitalized with covid... was well enough, to go back to the nursing home and did not need at that point, hospital care, to recover.

So you can see with all the other rules on isolating the returning covid hospitalized residents, along with hospital/doctor certification for release among all of the other cdc guidelines they followed there was no malicious intent to harm.

THEN there is the issue of who was harmed by it? And why and how were they harmed by it?

That is why an investigation is needed!

It could be, the cdc and cms guidelines and New York's guidelines of isolation wards and separate staff was adequate, BUT the nursing homes did NOT follow the guideline requirements? It could be a stupid and deadly guideline from the get go?

We need to know...and need to learn from it. It is still in the CDC/CMS guidelines to return the residents to an isolation ward at the NHome I believe....and we really need to figure out what went wrong, if something did go terribly wrong....

It was an IDIOTIC "guideline" that four States run by liberal idiots imposed on their nursing homes because they panicked themselves by listening to so called "experts" who told them that they would need all those ICU beds for the massive wave of newly sick people! So instead of using a little common sense and NOT putting Covid infected patients back in the middle of our most vulnerable population...elderly trapped in nursing homes...they forced their nursing homes to comply.

Now THAT is bad enough and the Governors of those States will have to live with the results of their policies that killed so many...but what Cuomo did...deliberately LYING about how many NY nursing home patients were killed by what he'd done...while at the same time writing and selling a book for millions of dollars into his own pocket extolling his "leadership" during a crisis and accepting an Emmy for going on TV and telling those lies? That's such a scummy thing to do...telling the loved ones of those HE killed that what does it matter how they died...they died...shows me that Andrew Cuomo has ZERO regret about what he did...other than the fact that he was exposed. It's Hilary Clinton and Benghazi all over again.

Funny how Florida, packed with seniors, has almost half the death rate of New York.
per 100,000:
Florida 123
New York 223

Data Visualization | COVID-19 Death Rates by State | The Heritage Foundation

Death rates from COVID-19 vary broadly from one state to the other. Most notable are those handful of states with rates significantly higher than the overall national rate. From @HeritageDataViz

www.heritage.org

That's statistic is TOTAL deaths, per million of population. What's shocking is that Florida's death rate is that high at all. Given that when New York got hit with the virus, there was no testing, and no treatments and the disease had spread throughout the population in winter weather in New York.

The Southern States got off easy, mainly because people were already spending their time outdoors in March and April. So the disease didn't spread as quickly. But these states should not have had the outbreaks they did. They didn't pass mask ordinances, to do anything to mitigate the spread.

The rate of nursing home deaths in New York, to million of population is lower than both Florida and Texas.

COVID-19 death rate in nursing homes by state U.S. 2020 | Statista

As of September 27, 2020, there were around 125 COVID-19 deaths per 1,000 residents in nursing homes in Massachusetts.

www.statista.com

That's what makes this attempt to smear Cuomo on the number of nursing home deaths is stupid.

Shitforbrains, you linking to 6 month old data that we all know is a lie due to Cuomo lying to the Feds is hilarious.
“The directive, which forbade nursing homes from turning away residents with COVID-19”

Yes, the State of NY stated the nursing home had (mandate) to take in or take back in, their residents who had been sent to hospitals with covid, once the hospital certified they were well enough to leave and no longer needed acute care....

HOWEVER, right there in the NY State rules it also states, IF THEY HAVE SPACE TO FOLLOW THE ISOLATION WARD and CDC infectious disease protocols for covid,

BUT if they had NO room in their facility to isolate the returning COVID patients, then they had to find another one of their sister nursing homes, that did have the set up for covid isolation wards or wings..... to take in the recovering covid resident....

That is what has been reported in the news, back at the time some nursing homes complained.

It was not an absolute mandate as some nursing homes complained.... the rules said if they could not make a separate covid ward, to place the recovering covid resident, in a nursing home elsewhere, who could.

I think some of the NHs may not have followed those rules? And problems arose from that....if memory serves? NY State was talking of fining the Nursing Homes for not following rules, and nursing homes claim they felt like it was a mandate from the State, regardless of their capabilities, (even though in writing it specifically states it was only a mandate, IF they could follow the covid care guidelines)

Someone is at fault. I think it should be investigated on what went wrong, and why...to determine such.

You’re a pathological liar for a mass murderer.
9,000 COVID-19 Patients Were Sent to N.Y. Nursing Homes | Time
https://time.com/5938656/new-york-nursing-homes-covid-19
Feb 12, 2021 · The Cuomo administration’s March 25 directive barred nursing homes from refusing people just because they had COVID-19.

That is correct. It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.

No nursing home should deny a covid positive patient being released from the hospital...but they do have to keep them isolated from the general nursing home population.

We have posted the guidelines several times in this thread for the CDC etc, so what is your point???

Do you disagree with the cdc/cms/NY guidelines on this? Or are you trying to claim Cuomo in NY created this guideline all on their own and did not lift it from the CDC guideline on it?

It is the CDC/CMS guideline that New York followed and incorporated in to their state guideline.

Repeating the same lie a thousand times doesn't change the fact it is a lie, liar.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And tens of thousands dead is just a total exaggeration by you. To date, 15000 or so in total, to date, in NY nursing home deaths from covid.

Only 15000? Much ado about nothing, eh? What if it were your mom...or dad....or daughter/son? Nah. ONLY.

Well Gracie, when you lose 500,000 people, and 36% of those who died lived in long term care facilities, not just in New York, but right across the nation, that means you've lost 180,000 Moms, Dads, grandparents and great grandparents.

The general attitude of Trump fans on this board is that most of these people were old, or sick, and no great loss. That is it more important to save the economy than to save the lives of the elderly or those who get sick.

Except in the case of Governor Cuomo. He is being attacked relentlessly for lying about the number of people who died in LTC facilities. DeSantis lied about the deaths in Florida. Greg Abbott lied about the deaths in Texas, but there is a strong attempt to destroy Cuomo over this.

I'm starting to suspect this is all to detract from the horror that is unfolding in Texas. The deaths unfolding there are the DIRECT result of political decisions made by the Governor and the state legislature. Now that they're starting to go door to door to check on people, they're finding people frozen to death in their homes. Millions of Texans are still without clean drinking water.

Tell us why Cuomo ordered nursing homes to take in COVID patients without the ability to refuse. And don’t give us the lie about CDC guidelines.

 

[Nostra]

The returning from the hospital covid residence were put in separate covid isolation wards from the nursing home wards of residents without covid, was the directive to nursing homes in New York.

Yet even with the added nursing home resident deaths added from those who died in the hospital,

NY nursing home covid deaths is a much lower percentage of covid deaths in their state, 33%, than the average nursing home deaths in all the other states, which is running around 40%?

How could what NY did, have fewer as a percentage... lower death rate than other states who allegedly didn't do, what NY State did in nursing homes??

For starters, stop using the fake data supplied by mass murderer Cuomo.

What's fake? I just looked up the data....

And NY State has had 33% of the covid deaths, from nursing home residents...

And on average States are running at 40% of their total covid deaths from nursing home residents.

So why has it been a higher percentage of nursing home deaths, of total covid deaths, in other states??? It makes absolutely no sense? Unless the other States were also sending recovering covid hospital patients as well??? Or, returning hospitalized covid patients to nursing homes did not further spread the disease because the patients were on the waning side of the virus and less infectious??? That still does not explain why a higher percentage of nursing h residents died in states other than NY State?

Maybe because Killer Cuomo killed a total of 46,235 total citizens, second only to the great state of Kalifornia.....so even though his nursing home total was high, he killed so many others it made his percentage look better.

Oh please spare us from your ignorance on this.... NY State was the first hardest hit state with the new and unknown covid 19 virus. It was hit the hardest because NYC metropolitan Airports bring in more international travelers on business and vacation than any other city in the USA and Europe, where the virus was booming. They got hit hard with the Euro version, spreading like crazy, while unknown to them. Compacted populations in cities, mass transit, packed crowds, makes rapid spread inevitable and coupled with a "silent" spread with asymptomatic people made it invisible....until it was too late.

Other states had advance notice, and Cuomo who had gone thru it ahead of them, for the states to follow and pick and choose from...or learn from....

Keeping crowded subways open and putting sick 23 year olds in elderly care homes helped a tad.

Withholding reports of deaths to the Feds is a Federal crime.

Who got really sick at 23 yrs old, that didn't have a home to go to for recovering at?

That's t plain bull shit!

I'm not defending him on whatever he did with the numbers, don't really know much about it.

This thread however, is not about the numbers.... start another thread.

Bottom line on putting covid patients released from the hospital back in to separate covid wards in to nursing homes was federal guidance that Cuomo's health administrator followed, as Cuomo claimed.

I posted it above, from the federal agency giving the states guidance.

Coumo ordered that all nursing homes take in covid patients----regardless of them being contagious or not. No separate covid wards needed no extra exits either. NURSING HOMES did the best they could to separate the covid infected-----but that did not the spreading in the nursing homes as Cuomo and the other 4 dem governors intended. Cuomo stood to make millions off killing people trying to justify a bail out by the federal government. He's a psychopath as are you CARE---as you lie with no remorse.

May 10, Cuomo took down the march 25 order.

DATE: March 25, 2020 TO: Nursing Home Administrators, Directors of Nursing, and Hospital Discharge Planners FROM: New York State Department of Health COVID-19 has been detected in multiple communities throughout New York State. There is an urgent need to expand hospital capacity in New York State to be able to meet the demand for patients with COVID-19 requiring acute care. As a result, this directive is being issued to clarify expectations for nursing homes (NHs) receiving residents returning from hospitalization and for NHs accepting new admissions. Hospital discharge planning staff and NHs should carefully review this guidance with all staff directly involved in resident admission, transfer, and discharges. During this global health emergency, all NHs must comply with the expedited receipt of residents returning from hospitals to NHs. Residents are deemed appropriate for return to a NH upon a determination by the hospital physician or designee that the resident is medically stable for return. Hospital discharge planners must confirm to the NH, by telephone, that the resident is medically stable for discharge. Comprehensive discharge instructions must be provided by the hospital prior to the transport of a resident to the NH. No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency. Critical personal protective equipment (PPE) needs should be immediately communicated to your local Office of Emergency Management, with the appropriate information provided at the time of request. Requests MUST include: o Type and quantity of PPE by size; o Point of contact at the requesting facility or system; o Delivery location; o Date request is needed to be filled by; AND o Record of pending orders. Thank you for your ongoing support and cooperation in responding to COVID-19. General questions or comments about this advisory can be sent to [email protected].

I've read the NY directive you just posted and it says precisely what I've said, New York FOLLOWED the CDC and CMS guidelines for returning covid residents who were hospitalized...

I HAVE POSTED SEVERAL TIMES

The CDC/CMS guidelines...

Obviously YOU, have failed to READ them! Why is that? Do you enjoy being a pawn for a bunch of liars?


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Note: Nursing homes should admit any individuals that they would normally admit to their facility, including individuals from hospitals where a case of COVID-19 was/is present. Also, if possible, dedicate a unit/wing exclusively for any residents coming or returning from the hospital. This can serve as a step-down unit where they remain for 14 days with no symptoms (instead of integrating as usual on short-term rehab floor, or returning to longstay original room). Other considerations for facilities: • Review CDC guidance for Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease 2019:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/infectioncontrol/controlrecommendations.html •

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ON MARCH 25, these were the cuomo rules..

No resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the NH solely based on a confirmed or suspected diagnosis of COVID-19. NHs are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission. Information for healthcare providers on COVID-19 is readily available on the New York State Department of Health public website at https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/information-healthcareproviders. As always, standard precautions must be maintained, and environmental cleaning made a priority, during this public health emergency.

Cuomo wouldn't even allow nursing homes to test patients against their will...ergo no way to even tell who did and who didn't have the virus.

WHICH IS PRECISELY WHAT THE CDC GUIDELINE they copied their NY guidelines off of stated....

WHAT part of this, do you not understand?

Same lies.

 

[Nostra]

This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

Whomever is their State Secretary of Health....don't know a name? But they would have been the agency, Dept of Health, to write NY State guidelines off of the CDC/CMS guidelines....

Cuomo wrote and signed his name on the mandate forcing NHs to take China Flu infected people. You are as bad as he is trying to blame everyone else.

No silly one, Cuomo didn't write the New York State Medical guidelines for nursing homes on infectious disease control, for covid. Cuomo signed a direction e about the I r policy, he didn't create it. He has a dept of health, that would do that...

So, someone forged his sig on that order?

Is that how far you will go to suck his shriveled dick?

Nope. He signed it! He just didn't create or write the health guidelines, his dept of health commissioner and staff did....though pretty much, they just copied the cdc/cms national guidelines.

His order. Stop making excuses.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The nursing homes had no choice, they were ordered to comply.

Again..they could refuse if they could not meet isolation criteria.

Liar. You Leftards are liars to justify mass murder.

 

[Dragonlady]

This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

Whomever is their State Secretary of Health....don't know a name? But they would have been the agency, Dept of Health, to write NY State guidelines off of the CDC/CMS guidelines....

Cuomo wrote and signed his name on the mandate forcing NHs to take China Flu infected people. You are as bad as he is trying to blame everyone else.

No silly one, Cuomo didn't write the New York State Medical guidelines for nursing homes on infectious disease control, for covid. Cuomo signed a direction e about the I r policy, he didn't create it. He has a dept of health, that would do that...

So, someone forged his sig on that order?

Is that how far you will go to suck his shriveled dick?

Nope. He signed it! He just didn't create or write the health guidelines, his dept of health commissioner and staff did....though pretty much, they just copied the cdc/cms national guidelines.

This is the guy who was making millions on a book deal trumpeting his "leadership" during the pandemic but you excuse his signing the order that killed all of those people because it was the fault of the Health Commissioner and their staff? Leadership means taking responsibility for your actions...whether good or bad! Cuomo was THE MAN when it meant money in his pocket and an Emmy up on his mantle but when it came time to take responsibility for what went terribly wrong...he blamed THAT on everyone and everything BUT himself!

That's really a lovely and touching diatribe. Truly heartrending, until you realize that very little of what you posted is true.

1. Cuomo's order didn't kill anyone. The people who were being returned to nursing homes were no longer contagious. The death rate in NY LTC facilites, even after adjusting the numbers to include all LTC patients who died, is within 3% of the NATIONAL average for deaths in LTC facilities. If Cuomo's order "killed people", the ratio of deaths in nursing homes would be much much higher, as a percentage of overall deaths.

2. What exactly do you think Cuomo needs to take responsibility for? He miscounted nursing home deaths, and he was slow to correct the numbers - possibly out of fear that Donald Trump would try to make a federal case out of it. RON DeSANTIS DID THE VERY SAME THING. THEN HE ARRESTED THE GOVERNMENT WHISTLEBLOWER WHO TOLD THE PRESS ABOUT IT AND THERE ARE CRICKETS FROM THE RIGHT ABOUT THIS OUTRAGE.

3. It seems to me that Cuome is being attacked to deflect from the massive failures of Republican governance throughout the Southern USA as millions freeze in the dark, with heat, power and no drinking water.

40 years of Republican neglect of federal infrastructure, stagnant income for working Americans, denial of the economic issues related to climate change and which following an economic ideology that has produced banana republics the world over, has lead the United States of America to second world status.

The richest nation in the world, is now officially a shithole country. Congratulations go to Donald Trump and Republicans everywhere.

 

[Dragonlady]

The nursing homes had no choice, they were ordered to comply.

Again..they could refuse if they could not meet isolation criteria.

Liar. You Leftards are liars to justify mass murder.
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Hey stupid!! Do you even read the shit you post. That isn't a mandate to take them back. That's saying that they can't refuse someone re-admittance, SOLELY because they have covid. There are other reasons for refusing to take patients back into these homes, other than the patient has covid. Many homes were short-staffed due to staff illnesses, or lacked PPE or other equipment to deal with covid patients.

If they lack the facilities to care for infectious patients, then can refuse them on that grounds, but they are responsible for finding a bed in a home that can offer care to the patient.

These attacks are politically motivated.

 

[Meathead]

This is a simple matter of common sense, Care! Nursing homes are NOTORIOUSLY understaffed yet some idiots in the Cuomo Administration thought that there would be enough nursing home staff so that the same staff wouldn't be caring for infected patients as well as non infected patients? Anyone who knows even the slightest amount about nursing homes should have been able to tell Cuomo that this mandate was INSANE and would result in exactly what it did result in! So who in the Cuomo "universe" was it that was either supremely ignorant about something they should have had experience with...or who was it that knew but didn't care because they thought people dying would hurt Trump in the upcoming election?

Whomever is their State Secretary of Health....don't know a name? But they would have been the agency, Dept of Health, to write NY State guidelines off of the CDC/CMS guidelines....

Cuomo wrote and signed his name on the mandate forcing NHs to take China Flu infected people. You are as bad as he is trying to blame everyone else.

No silly one, Cuomo didn't write the New York State Medical guidelines for nursing homes on infectious disease control, for covid. Cuomo signed a direction e about the I r policy, he didn't create it. He has a dept of health, that would do that...

So, someone forged his sig on that order?

Is that how far you will go to suck his shriveled dick?

Nope. He signed it! He just didn't create or write the health guidelines, his dept of health commissioner and staff did....though pretty much, they just copied the cdc/cms national guidelines.

This is the guy who was making millions on a book deal trumpeting his "leadership" during the pandemic but you excuse his signing the order that killed all of those people because it was the fault of the Health Commissioner and their staff? Leadership means taking responsibility for your actions...whether good or bad! Cuomo was THE MAN when it meant money in his pocket and an Emmy up on his mantle but when it came time to take responsibility for what went terribly wrong...he blamed THAT on everyone and everything BUT himself!

That's really a lovely and touching diatribe. Truly heartrending, until you realize that very little of what you posted is true.

1. Cuomo's order didn't kill anyone. The people who were being returned to nursing homes were no longer contagious. The death rate in NY LTC facilites, even after adjusting the numbers to include all LTC patients who died, is within 3% of the NATIONAL average for deaths in LTC facilities. If Cuomo's order "killed people", the ratio of deaths in nursing homes would be much much higher, as a percentage of overall deaths.

2. What exactly do you think Cuomo needs to take responsibility for? He miscounted nursing home deaths, and he was slow to correct the numbers - possibly out of fear that Donald Trump would try to make a federal case out of it. RON DeSANTIS DID THE VERY SAME THING. THEN HE ARRESTED THE GOVERNMENT WHISTLEBLOWER WHO TOLD THE PRESS ABOUT IT AND THERE ARE CRICKETS FROM THE RIGHT ABOUT THIS OUTRAGE.

3. It seems to me that Cuome is being attacked to deflect from the massive failures of Republican governance throughout the Southern USA as millions freeze in the dark, with heat, power and no drinking water.

40 years of Republican neglect of federal infrastructure, stagnant income for working Americans, denial of the economic issues related to climate change and which following an economic ideology that has produced banana republics the world over, has lead the United States of America to second world status.

The richest nation in the world, is now officially a shithole country. Congratulations go to Donald Trump and Republicans everywhere.

Cuomo fucked up very badly. The result of his order to infect nursing homes was bad enough, causing the deaths of literally thousands, and then he tried his level best to cover it up.

Maybe 20 died in Texas, probably mostly illegals who shouldn't have been there in the first place, by a natural event.

Cuomo's a goner.