Cuba Forgives Obama For America's Past Agression

[mudwhistle]

It is not a local problem. It's a world wide problem.
Have you forgotten the twin towers? The Boston bombing?
Americans need to get it through their heads that Muslim Terrorists hate the Western World and want to make all Nations into Muslim Sharia Law countries.

Terrorists did not come out of nowhere, we made them and then spent a trillion dollars and counting to fight them, it's been a pretty sweet deal for the MIC.

We did not make them, Mohammad did.
They are doing their end time prophesy.
They are also attacking neutral countries that had nothing to do with the middle east.

The US invading and meddling in their countries has more to with it than just religion like you seem to think. Terror attacks are primarily politically motivated and in response to something in the real world. Just because there is a religious and cultural component does not mean it is the only thing.

Jihadist Terrorists are all about politics and religion having Sharia Law in the whole world. It is exactly why they are killing Christians and destroying their Churches. The Christians in the middle east have done nothing to them.

Of that I have no doubt, but again, they did not just happen. They are a by-product of western intervention and hunger for resources. It is far too late to fix things so we will just keep killing them and perpetuating the process.

The way the Chinese have been gobbling up resources the last decade....I wonder .....

Oh, and some things cannot be corrected with good intentions.

 

[occupied]

Terrorists did not come out of nowhere, we made them and then spent a trillion dollars and counting to fight them, it's been a pretty sweet deal for the MIC.

We did not make them, Mohammad did.
They are doing their end time prophesy.
They are also attacking neutral countries that had nothing to do with the middle east.

The US invading and meddling in their countries has more to with it than just religion like you seem to think. Terror attacks are primarily politically motivated and in response to something in the real world. Just because there is a religious and cultural component does not mean it is the only thing.

Jihadist Terrorists are all about politics and religion having Sharia Law in the whole world. It is exactly why they are killing Christians and destroying their Churches. The Christians in the middle east have done nothing to them.

Of that I have no doubt, but again, they did not just happen. They are a by-product of western intervention and hunger for resources. It is far too late to fix things so we will just keep killing them and perpetuating the process.

So do nothing and let them take over all of the western countries. Lovely.

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

 

[peach174]

You don't understand them then.

They are weaker because we are stronger, not because we appear weak. They aren't a threat as long as they are afraid of us. Once they lose that fear they'll be out to fuck us over. We have plenty of enemies willing to help them make it happen.

We have the most ginormous military in the world by a ridiculous margin, we can kill just about anyone, it is not possible for America to appear weak, we need to balance that with the hope that it is possible to get off of our shitlist.

Obama is gutting our military faster than it took Bush to rebuild it. China has the biggest military. I've been listening to commanders and they said 3 years ago we were near a mission fail state back then. We're worse now ...much worse, than we were then.

Bullshit, our capability to project our power FAR outstrips anyone else, as to "gutting" the military it seems it's the only part of government conservatives have no problem with waste, if spending does not go up every year in spite of the threats we face you guys have a fucking cow.

Our Federal Government is all about having military and is number one in our Constitution.
Conservative do have a problem with waste in the Military.
Conservatives want waste, fraud and abuse in all of the Departments to be dealt with.
Have you forgotten the stink Cons made on the over priced spending on our military toilets and tools?

Don't even try, they make a stink about things but it has never resulted in cutting back the cash we funnel to our bloated defense industry.

The Feds do not listen to either side.
The Dem's has not done anything to get rid of the Wall St. corruption from their OWS protests either.
They just expanded control over the internet to help the failing cable companies.

 

[occupied]

We have the most ginormous military in the world by a ridiculous margin, we can kill just about anyone, it is not possible for America to appear weak, we need to balance that with the hope that it is possible to get off of our shitlist.

Obama is gutting our military faster than it took Bush to rebuild it. China has the biggest military. I've been listening to commanders and they said 3 years ago we were near a mission fail state back then. We're worse now ...much worse, than we were then.

Bullshit, our capability to project our power FAR outstrips anyone else, as to "gutting" the military it seems it's the only part of government conservatives have no problem with waste, if spending does not go up every year in spite of the threats we face you guys have a fucking cow.

Our Federal Government is all about having military and is number one in our Constitution.
Conservative do have a problem with waste in the Military.
Conservatives want waste, fraud and abuse in all of the Departments to be dealt with.
Have you forgotten the stink Cons made on the over priced spending on our military toilets and tools?

Don't even try, they make a stink about things but it has never resulted in cutting back the cash we funnel to our bloated defense industry.

The Feds do not listen to either side.
The Dem's has not done anything to get rid of the Wall St. corruption from their OWS protests either.
They just expanded control over the internet to help the failing cable companies.

Deflection attempt noted.

 

[peach174]

We did not make them, Mohammad did.
They are doing their end time prophesy.
They are also attacking neutral countries that had nothing to do with the middle east.

The US invading and meddling in their countries has more to with it than just religion like you seem to think. Terror attacks are primarily politically motivated and in response to something in the real world. Just because there is a religious and cultural component does not mean it is the only thing.

Jihadist Terrorists are all about politics and religion having Sharia Law in the whole world. It is exactly why they are killing Christians and destroying their Churches. The Christians in the middle east have done nothing to them.

Of that I have no doubt, but again, they did not just happen. They are a by-product of western intervention and hunger for resources. It is far too late to fix things so we will just keep killing them and perpetuating the process.

So do nothing and let them take over all of the western countries. Lovely.

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

 

[peach174]

Obama is gutting our military faster than it took Bush to rebuild it. China has the biggest military. I've been listening to commanders and they said 3 years ago we were near a mission fail state back then. We're worse now ...much worse, than we were then.

Bullshit, our capability to project our power FAR outstrips anyone else, as to "gutting" the military it seems it's the only part of government conservatives have no problem with waste, if spending does not go up every year in spite of the threats we face you guys have a fucking cow.

Our Federal Government is all about having military and is number one in our Constitution.
Conservative do have a problem with waste in the Military.
Conservatives want waste, fraud and abuse in all of the Departments to be dealt with.
Have you forgotten the stink Cons made on the over priced spending on our military toilets and tools?

Don't even try, they make a stink about things but it has never resulted in cutting back the cash we funnel to our bloated defense industry.

The Feds do not listen to either side.
The Dem's has not done anything to get rid of the Wall St. corruption from their OWS protests either.
They just expanded control over the internet to help the failing cable companies.

Deflection attempt noted.

No it's the truth. The Feds do not listen to us the people.
They listen to special interests groups.

 

[occupied]

The US invading and meddling in their countries has more to with it than just religion like you seem to think. Terror attacks are primarily politically motivated and in response to something in the real world. Just because there is a religious and cultural component does not mean it is the only thing.

Jihadist Terrorists are all about politics and religion having Sharia Law in the whole world. It is exactly why they are killing Christians and destroying their Churches. The Christians in the middle east have done nothing to them.

Of that I have no doubt, but again, they did not just happen. They are a by-product of western intervention and hunger for resources. It is far too late to fix things so we will just keep killing them and perpetuating the process.

So do nothing and let them take over all of the western countries. Lovely.

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

 

[peach174]

Jihadist Terrorists are all about politics and religion having Sharia Law in the whole world. It is exactly why they are killing Christians and destroying their Churches. The Christians in the middle east have done nothing to them.

Of that I have no doubt, but again, they did not just happen. They are a by-product of western intervention and hunger for resources. It is far too late to fix things so we will just keep killing them and perpetuating the process.

So do nothing and let them take over all of the western countries. Lovely.

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

 

[occupied]

Of that I have no doubt, but again, they did not just happen. They are a by-product of western intervention and hunger for resources. It is far too late to fix things so we will just keep killing them and perpetuating the process.

So do nothing and let them take over all of the western countries. Lovely.

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

 

[peach174]

So do nothing and let them take over all of the western countries. Lovely.

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

ISIS stole our hardware.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Obama, Castro agree to foster ‘a new relationship’

Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press

Cuban President Raul Castro and President Obama met during the Summit of the Americas in Panama City, Panama, on Saturday.

Associated Press April 11, 2015
PANAMA CITY — President Barack Obama and Cuba’s Raul Castro sat down together Saturday in the first formal meeting of the two country’s leaders in a half-century, pledging to reach for the kind of peaceful relationship that has eluded their nations for generations.

In a small conference room in a Panama City convention center, the two sat side by side in a bid to inject fresh momentum into their months-old effort to restore diplomatic ties. Reflecting on the historic nature of the meeting, Obama said he felt it was time to try something new and to engage with both Cuba’s government and its people.

‘‘What we have both concluded is that we can disagree with a spirit of respect and civility,’’ Obama said. ‘‘And over time, it is possible for us to turn the page and develop a new relationship between our two countries.’’

Castro, for his part, said he agreed with everything Obama had said — a stunning statement in and of itself for the Cuban leader. But he added the caveat that they had ‘‘agreed to disagee’’ at times. Castro said he had told the Americans that Cuba was willing to discuss issues such as human rights and freedom of the press, maintaining that ‘‘everything can be on the table.’’

‘‘We are disposed to talk about everything — with patience,’’ Castro said in Spanish. ‘‘Some things we will agree with, and others we won’t.’’ Obama Castro expected to meet Saturday in Panama - World - The Boston Globe

One of these men is an asshole. The other is a communist. It's hard to tell the difference.

 

[occupied]

Who said "do nothing"? It has been proven in Iraq that grand military invasions are useless against terrorists but treating terrorism as the law enforcement problem it is has yielded impressive results. Of course, that's boring to people like you who like big explosions and body parts strewn across the landscape..

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

ISIS stole our hardware.

Well there you go, why drop more in there just to have it fall into their hands when the people we are trying help have no will to fight or a central command capable of coordination and logistics?

 

[peach174]

Nobody likes War but it is necessary sometimes.
It was under control until Obama dropped the ball.

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

ISIS stole our hardware.

Well there you go, why drop more in there just to have it fall into their hands when the people we are trying help have no will to fight or a central command capable of coordination and logistics?

The kurds have a great will and they are doing fairly with outdated weapons.

 

[occupied]

Nope, Iraq screwed themselves as they so often do. We gave them back sovereign control of their nation and they told us to beat it, so we did, to do otherwise would have been to undermine the Iraqi government at a time it really needed some legitimacy. Either way was a fucked-up option and I personally prefer the one where Americans are not dying.

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

ISIS stole our hardware.

Well there you go, why drop more in there just to have it fall into their hands when the people we are trying help have no will to fight or a central command capable of coordination and logistics?

The kurds have a great will and they are doing fairly with outdated weapons.

Good, but at the time you spoke of everyone else in the country just buckled or defected to ISIS, I fail to see why throwing more weapons in that mix would have been prudent, also, why are we not talking about Cuba? It is the topic after all.

 

[peach174]

Obama did nothing to help arm the Kurds directly when they asked for modern Military weapons. If he would have done that ISIS would not have gotten so much control in Northern Iraq.

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

ISIS stole our hardware.

Well there you go, why drop more in there just to have it fall into their hands when the people we are trying help have no will to fight or a central command capable of coordination and logistics?

The kurds have a great will and they are doing fairly with outdated weapons.

Good, but at the time you spoke of everyone else in the country just buckled or defected to ISIS, I fail to see why throwing more weapons in that mix would have been prudent, also, why are we not talking about Cuba? It is the topic after all.

I did not speak of the country buckling or defecting to ISIS and you are the one who brought up Iraq.

 

[occupied]

Yeah hindsight is 20/20, we've supplied different factions with so much hardware it is insane, for all the good it's done.

ISIS stole our hardware.

Well there you go, why drop more in there just to have it fall into their hands when the people we are trying help have no will to fight or a central command capable of coordination and logistics?

The kurds have a great will and they are doing fairly with outdated weapons.

Good, but at the time you spoke of everyone else in the country just buckled or defected to ISIS, I fail to see why throwing more weapons in that mix would have been prudent, also, why are we not talking about Cuba? It is the topic after all.

I did not speak of the country buckling or defecting to ISIS and you are the one who brought up Iraq.

Actually it was mudwhistle who brought up Iraq. It is one of the few things I will allow myself to be diverted on since it is the most expensive American mistake in my lifetime. Got anything to say about Cuba?

 

[nat4900]

But not as much as conservatives despise normal diplomacy.

Normal diplomacy?

I don't think Obama knows what that is.

Obama is clearly trying to build some phony legacy, not do what is best for both countries....

Phony? It has been high time to thaw relations with Cuba for years and he is doing it. It's far more genuine than conservative rationalizations for continuing to treat them like we have been.

But there is no economic incentive for conservatives to support it....

That's true, they liked opening relations with China because they allowed western access to the largest untapped cheap labor pool in the world, there is no sign Cuba will allow themselves to be harshly used by the multi-national corporations like that.

Cuba has nothing. Only cigars. This is Obama once again saying "fuck you" to America....

Your hatred of Obama has no bounds.......Of course, you're free to wallow in your own bile, but the rest of sane Americans welcome better relations through diplomacy while you idiots walk around with with a stick up your arses.

 

[mudwhistle]

Normal diplomacy?

I don't think Obama knows what that is.

Obama is clearly trying to build some phony legacy, not do what is best for both countries....

Phony? It has been high time to thaw relations with Cuba for years and he is doing it. It's far more genuine than conservative rationalizations for continuing to treat them like we have been.

But there is no economic incentive for conservatives to support it....

That's true, they liked opening relations with China because they allowed western access to the largest untapped cheap labor pool in the world, there is no sign Cuba will allow themselves to be harshly used by the multi-national corporations like that.

Cuba has nothing. Only cigars. This is Obama once again saying "fuck you" to America....

Your hatred of Obama has no bounds.......Of course, you're free to wallow in your own bile, but the rest of sane Americans welcome better relations through diplomacy while you idiots walk around with with a stick up your arses.

Fuck you asshole!!!

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion get lost!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

ISIS stole our hardware.

Well there you go, why drop more in there just to have it fall into their hands when the people we are trying help have no will to fight or a central command capable of coordination and logistics?

The kurds have a great will and they are doing fairly with outdated weapons.

Good, but at the time you spoke of everyone else in the country just buckled or defected to ISIS, I fail to see why throwing more weapons in that mix would have been prudent, also, why are we not talking about Cuba? It is the topic after all.

I did not speak of the country buckling or defecting to ISIS and you are the one who brought up Iraq.

Actually it was mudwhistle who brought up Iraq. It is one of the few things I will allow myself to be diverted on since it is the most expensive American mistake in my lifetime. Got anything to say about Cuba?

And Obama has just pissed all of that blood and treasure away.....

 

[nat4900]

Phony? It has been high time to thaw relations with Cuba for years and he is doing it. It's far more genuine than conservative rationalizations for continuing to treat them like we have been.

But there is no economic incentive for conservatives to support it....

That's true, they liked opening relations with China because they allowed western access to the largest untapped cheap labor pool in the world, there is no sign Cuba will allow themselves to be harshly used by the multi-national corporations like that.

Cuba has nothing. Only cigars. This is Obama once again saying "fuck you" to America....

Your hatred of Obama has no bounds.......Of course, you're free to wallow in your own bile, but the rest of sane Americans welcome better relations through diplomacy while you idiots walk around with with a stick up your arses.

Fuck you asshole!!!

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion get lost!!!

WHAT DISCUSSION, moron??? You're accusing Obama of saying something he NEVER stated.....WHY??? Because you're a scumbag, that's why....

....you may have some other idiots "agreeing" with you because they're just as hateful AND powerless, except for your spewing on these boards.