Creator of Infamous Hockey Stick Graph Refuses to Turn Over Data to Court

[SSDD]

He's only been in breach for a couple of days silly kitty.

Again, what evidence says that?

That's the point. There's literally no evidence to back up that claim, but you still all believe it, purely out of religious faith. That's the same thing that deniers base all of their "science" on.

Ha ha Candian court is not like US Mann has to provide his data and not keep it a secret.




We believe he [Mann] withheld on the basis of a US court ruling that it was all his intellectual property. This ruling was made despite the fact the US taxpayer paid for the research and the research results were used as the basis of literally earth-shattering policies on energy and environment. The problem for him is that the Canadian court holds that you cannot withhold documents that are central to your charge of defamation regardless of the US ruling.”

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Even that claim is bullshit because he was working with public money...he has absolutely no right to withhold any work that was paid for with public money from the public unless he can get it classified due to national security.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exactly!
Only water vapor can absorb and emit photons.

DERP!

No you poor doofus...only water vapor can absorb IR and actually store the energy.

only water vapor can absorb IR and actually store the energy.

CO2 doesn't "store energy" when it absorbs a photon?
Where does the energy go?

 

[Old Rocks]

Now there are more than a dozen independent studies that have resulted in similiar hockey stick graphs. Did they ask for the data for those? If not, why not? The Mann graph is verified. And Ball is a lying cheat.

Anatomy of Tim Ball's conspiratorial pseudo-science at WUWT | HotWhopper

Tim Ball in almost every article shows he hasn't left the 1970s. Today he's barely entered it. In the manner of religious fundamentalists, Tim doesn't accept any scientific knowledge that was developed after 1970, and he doesn't accept most science that was developed before then either. He makes up his own from fragments of books written by people he took a fancy to up until he was in his early 30s. (Tim was born in November 1938. Any science done after 1970 doesn't exist in Tim's mind, and most done before 1970 is wrong - in Tim's mind.) Like Peter Pan Tim didn't grow up. He exists in a dark fantasy of his own creation where ogres roam. Tim's ogres include Maurice Strong, an oil industrialist who was Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in the early 1970s, and was the first executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme. If there is one type of person that Tim can't abide (apart from Jews and scientists), it is anyone who thinks it's important to protect our natural world. The list of ogres who roam Tim's nightmares is too long to list here but it includes climate scientists Tom Wigley, Michael Mann, and Andrew Weaver. Tim's heroes include Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

Exactly!
Only water vapor can absorb and emit photons.

DERP!

No you poor doofus...only water vapor can absorb IR and actually store the energy.

only water vapor can absorb IR and actually store the energy.

CO2 doesn't "store energy" when it absorbs a photon?
Where does the energy go?

Several molecules including CO2 are capable of absorbing IR photons, this is not rocket science. Taking the case of CO2, it absorbs IR radiation at particular frequencies which causes the molecule to vibrate and then re-emits another IR photon.

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[mamooth]

In addition to the crank thing, the other identifying characteristic of denier "scientists" is that they're usually very old. John Mashey did a study of the few members of the APS who came out against global warming theory.

https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2009 science bypass v3 0.pdf

Of the 119 signers of the APS pro-denier letter, 86% were born before 1950, compared to 40% of the APS general membership (46,000 people) in that age bracket. Deniers are overwhelmingly grumpy old men. Hence, time is not on their side. Science advances one funeral at a time. Relativity-deniers were once a force, but they all eventually died, and the same will happen with climate-science deniers.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

In addition to the crank thing, the other identifying characteristic of denier "scientists" is that they're usually very old. John Mashey did a study of the few members of the APS who came out against global warming theory.

https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2009 science bypass v3 0.pdf

Of the 119 signers of the APS pro-denier letter, 86% were born before 1950, compared to 40% of the APS general membership (46,000 people) in that age bracket. Deniers are overwhelmingly grumpy old men. Hence, time is not on their side. Science advances one funeral at a time. Relativity-deniers were once a force, but they all eventually died, and the same will happen with climate-science deniers.

Holy fuck are you serious? That bullshit website was started up by a financial crook and is now run by a PR agency ffs.

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[mamooth]

Holy fuck are you serious? That bullshit website was started up by a financial crook and is now run by a PR agency ffs

Thank you for providing that example of how almost all deniers behave.

You saw data that contradicted your religious teachings.

Knowing that you couldn't refute the data, you tried to deflect from the data with insults and sleazy innuendo.

Those embracing crank science are usually old. It takes a lifetime of emotional investment in being wrong to get someone to embrace something as ridiculous as denialism.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Now there are more than a dozen independent studies that have resulted in similiar hockey stick graphs. Did they ask for the data for those? If not, why not? The Mann graph is verified. And Ball is a lying cheat.

Anatomy of Tim Ball's conspiratorial pseudo-science at WUWT | HotWhopper

Tim Ball in almost every article shows he hasn't left the 1970s. Today he's barely entered it. In the manner of religious fundamentalists, Tim doesn't accept any scientific knowledge that was developed after 1970, and he doesn't accept most science that was developed before then either. He makes up his own from fragments of books written by people he took a fancy to up until he was in his early 30s. (Tim was born in November 1938. Any science done after 1970 doesn't exist in Tim's mind, and most done before 1970 is wrong - in Tim's mind.) Like Peter Pan Tim didn't grow up. He exists in a dark fantasy of his own creation where ogres roam. Tim's ogres include Maurice Strong, an oil industrialist who was Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in the early 1970s, and was the first executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme. If there is one type of person that Tim can't abide (apart from Jews and scientists), it is anyone who thinks it's important to protect our natural world. The list of ogres who roam Tim's nightmares is too long to list here but it includes climate scientists Tom Wigley, Michael Mann, and Andrew Weaver. Tim's heroes include Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden.

Getfo you say the same thing about anyone that doesn't share in your bullshit like 87 year old Freeman Dyson


What's the matter you can't indocterate them ?

You really wish this was a world a movie like Logan's run don't you? No wisdom what's so ever.




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[Muhammed]

The creator, Michael Mann, sued for libel when his data was questioned. First step in a libel trial - prove what was said was not true. He refused.

So any guesses as to why he refuses to turn over his data? Three guesses, first two don't count.

Michael Mann, who chose to file what many consider to be a cynical SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) libel suit in the British Columbia Supreme Court, Vancouver six long years ago, has astonished legal experts by refusing to comply with the court direction to hand over all his disputed graph’s data. Mann’s iconic hockey stick has been relied upon by the UN’s IPCC and western governments as crucial evidence for the science of ‘man-made global warming.’

As first reported in Principia Scientific International (February 1, 2017), the defendant in the case, Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball, had won “concessions” against Mann, but at the time the details were kept confidential, pending Mann’s response.

The negative and unresponsive actions of Dr Mann and his lawyer, Roger McConchie, are expected to infuriate the judge and be the signal for the collapse of Mann’s multi-million dollar libel suit against Dr Ball. It will be music to the ears of so-called ‘climate deniers’ like President Donald Trump and his EPA Chief, Scott Pruitt.

As Dr Ball explains:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions. The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”

Punishment for Civil Contempt

Mann’s now proven contempt of court means Ball is entitled to have the court serve upon Mann the fullest punishment. Contempt sanctions could reasonably include the judge ruling that Dr. Ball’s statement that Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn. State’ is a precise and true statement of fact. This is because under Canada’s unique ‘Truth Defense’, Mann is now proven to have wilfully hidden his data, so the court may rule he hid it because it is fake. As such, the court must then dismiss Mann’s entire libel suit with costs awarded to Ball and his team.

Michael Mann refuses to hand over data to judge in climate change trial

Perhaps the dog ate hs homework.

Whatever the case, if it cannot be replicated for whatever reason (even if the dog ate his homework) then by definition it is not a peer reviewed scientific paper.

And all papers that build on those papers are dumpster material.

Worthless.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

Now there are more than a dozen independent studies that have resulted in similiar hockey stick graphs. Did they ask for the data for those? If not, why not? The Mann graph is verified. And Ball is a lying cheat.

Anatomy of Tim Ball's conspiratorial pseudo-science at WUWT | HotWhopper

Tim Ball in almost every article shows he hasn't left the 1970s. Today he's barely entered it. In the manner of religious fundamentalists, Tim doesn't accept any scientific knowledge that was developed after 1970, and he doesn't accept most science that was developed before then either. He makes up his own from fragments of books written by people he took a fancy to up until he was in his early 30s. (Tim was born in November 1938. Any science done after 1970 doesn't exist in Tim's mind, and most done before 1970 is wrong - in Tim's mind.) Like Peter Pan Tim didn't grow up. He exists in a dark fantasy of his own creation where ogres roam. Tim's ogres include Maurice Strong, an oil industrialist who was Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in the early 1970s, and was the first executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme. If there is one type of person that Tim can't abide (apart from Jews and scientists), it is anyone who thinks it's important to protect our natural world. The list of ogres who roam Tim's nightmares is too long to list here but it includes climate scientists Tom Wigley, Michael Mann, and Andrew Weaver. Tim's heroes include Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden.

Getfo you say the same thing about anyone that doesn't share in your bullshit like 87 year old Freeman Dyson


What's the matter you can't indocterate them ?

You really wish this was a world a movie like Logan's run don't you? No wisdom what's so ever.




.

Jenny Agutter was the dog's bollocks in that film, truly sexy woman.

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

 

[Wyatt earp]

In addition to the crank thing, the other identifying characteristic of denier "scientists" is that they're usually very old. John Mashey did a study of the few members of the APS who came out against global warming theory.

https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2009 science bypass v3 0.pdf

Of the 119 signers of the APS pro-denier letter, 86% were born before 1950, compared to 40% of the APS general membership (46,000 people) in that age bracket. Deniers are overwhelmingly grumpy old men. Hence, time is not on their side. Science advances one funeral at a time. Relativity-deniers were once a force, but they all eventually died, and the same will happen with climate-science deniers.

It's all about indoctrination you young fool..it's because maybe they were around for 70 to 90 years and know what the temperature was like, they know the advances in technology was


First hand

Once again tard temperature records only go back a few decades before they were born.


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[Wyatt earp]

Now there are more than a dozen independent studies that have resulted in similiar hockey stick graphs. Did they ask for the data for those? If not, why not? The Mann graph is verified. And Ball is a lying cheat.

Anatomy of Tim Ball's conspiratorial pseudo-science at WUWT | HotWhopper

Tim Ball in almost every article shows he hasn't left the 1970s. Today he's barely entered it. In the manner of religious fundamentalists, Tim doesn't accept any scientific knowledge that was developed after 1970, and he doesn't accept most science that was developed before then either. He makes up his own from fragments of books written by people he took a fancy to up until he was in his early 30s. (Tim was born in November 1938. Any science done after 1970 doesn't exist in Tim's mind, and most done before 1970 is wrong - in Tim's mind.) Like Peter Pan Tim didn't grow up. He exists in a dark fantasy of his own creation where ogres roam. Tim's ogres include Maurice Strong, an oil industrialist who was Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in the early 1970s, and was the first executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme. If there is one type of person that Tim can't abide (apart from Jews and scientists), it is anyone who thinks it's important to protect our natural world. The list of ogres who roam Tim's nightmares is too long to list here but it includes climate scientists Tom Wigley, Michael Mann, and Andrew Weaver. Tim's heroes include Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden.

Getfo you say the same thing about anyone that doesn't share in your bullshit like 87 year old Freeman Dyson


What's the matter you can't indocterate them ?

You really wish this was a world a movie like Logan's run don't you? No wisdom what's so ever.




.

Jenny Agutter was the dog's bollocks in that film, truly sexy woman.

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

Don't remember her , remember Farrah in that movie.



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[aoxomoxoa]

Now there are more than a dozen independent studies that have resulted in similiar hockey stick graphs. Did they ask for the data for those? If not, why not? The Mann graph is verified. And Ball is a lying cheat.

Anatomy of Tim Ball's conspiratorial pseudo-science at WUWT | HotWhopper

Tim Ball in almost every article shows he hasn't left the 1970s. Today he's barely entered it. In the manner of religious fundamentalists, Tim doesn't accept any scientific knowledge that was developed after 1970, and he doesn't accept most science that was developed before then either. He makes up his own from fragments of books written by people he took a fancy to up until he was in his early 30s. (Tim was born in November 1938. Any science done after 1970 doesn't exist in Tim's mind, and most done before 1970 is wrong - in Tim's mind.) Like Peter Pan Tim didn't grow up. He exists in a dark fantasy of his own creation where ogres roam. Tim's ogres include Maurice Strong, an oil industrialist who was Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in the early 1970s, and was the first executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme. If there is one type of person that Tim can't abide (apart from Jews and scientists), it is anyone who thinks it's important to protect our natural world. The list of ogres who roam Tim's nightmares is too long to list here but it includes climate scientists Tom Wigley, Michael Mann, and Andrew Weaver. Tim's heroes include Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden.

Getfo you say the same thing about anyone that doesn't share in your bullshit like 87 year old Freeman Dyson


What's the matter you can't indocterate them ?

You really wish this was a world a movie like Logan's run don't you? No wisdom what's so ever.




.

Jenny Agutter was the dog's bollocks in that film, truly sexy woman.

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

Don't remember her , remember Farrah in that movie.



.

She was the leading lady, surely you remember Jessica?

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

 

[Wyatt earp]

The creator, Michael Mann, sued for libel when his data was questioned. First step in a libel trial - prove what was said was not true. He refused.

So any guesses as to why he refuses to turn over his data? Three guesses, first two don't count.

Michael Mann, who chose to file what many consider to be a cynical SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) libel suit in the British Columbia Supreme Court, Vancouver six long years ago, has astonished legal experts by refusing to comply with the court direction to hand over all his disputed graph’s data. Mann’s iconic hockey stick has been relied upon by the UN’s IPCC and western governments as crucial evidence for the science of ‘man-made global warming.’

As first reported in Principia Scientific International (February 1, 2017), the defendant in the case, Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball, had won “concessions” against Mann, but at the time the details were kept confidential, pending Mann’s response.

The negative and unresponsive actions of Dr Mann and his lawyer, Roger McConchie, are expected to infuriate the judge and be the signal for the collapse of Mann’s multi-million dollar libel suit against Dr Ball. It will be music to the ears of so-called ‘climate deniers’ like President Donald Trump and his EPA Chief, Scott Pruitt.

As Dr Ball explains:

“Michael Mann moved for an adjournment of the trial scheduled for February 20, 2017. We had little choice because Canadian courts always grant adjournments before a trial in their belief that an out of court settlement is preferable. We agreed to an adjournment with conditions. The major one was that he [Mann] produce all documents including computer codes by February 20th, 2017. He failed to meet the deadline.”

Punishment for Civil Contempt

Mann’s now proven contempt of court means Ball is entitled to have the court serve upon Mann the fullest punishment. Contempt sanctions could reasonably include the judge ruling that Dr. Ball’s statement that Mann “belongs in the state pen, not Penn. State’ is a precise and true statement of fact. This is because under Canada’s unique ‘Truth Defense’, Mann is now proven to have wilfully hidden his data, so the court may rule he hid it because it is fake. As such, the court must then dismiss Mann’s entire libel suit with costs awarded to Ball and his team.

Michael Mann refuses to hand over data to judge in climate change trial

Perhaps the dog ate hs homework.

Whatever the case, if it cannot be replicated for whatever reason (even if the dog ate his homework) then by definition it is not a peer reviewed scientific paper.

And all papers that build on those papers are dumpster material.

Worthless.

Yea we should go back and revist climate gate 2.0

Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate


Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.



“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process,”writes Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email.




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[ScienceRocks]

And this is why there's over a dozen datasets made afterwards supporting it.

Seriously, get a grip.

 

[aoxomoxoa]

In addition to the crank thing, the other identifying characteristic of denier "scientists" is that they're usually very old. John Mashey did a study of the few members of the APS who came out against global warming theory.

https://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/2009 science bypass v3 0.pdf

Of the 119 signers of the APS pro-denier letter, 86% were born before 1950, compared to 40% of the APS general membership (46,000 people) in that age bracket. Deniers are overwhelmingly grumpy old men. Hence, time is not on their side. Science advances one funeral at a time. Relativity-deniers were once a force, but they all eventually died, and the same will happen with climate-science deniers.

It's all about indoctrination you young fool..it's because maybe they were around for 70 to 90 years and know what the temperature was like, they know the advances in technology was


First hand

Once again tard temperature records only go back a few decades before they were born.


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Older scientists are either retired or near to it, hence are not scared of ruining their careers by not conforming to the prevailing orthodoxy.

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[mamooth]

Getfo you say the same thing about anyone that doesn't share in your bullshit like 87 year old Freeman Dyson

Dyson is remarkably stupid on the global warming topic.

That's almost certainly because he's old and grumpy, shaking his fist at how those young whippersnappers aren't doing things like they did it back in the day.

Happer would be another old cranky guy who makes the same dumb mistakes as Dyson.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Now there are more than a dozen independent studies that have resulted in similiar hockey stick graphs. Did they ask for the data for those? If not, why not? The Mann graph is verified. And Ball is a lying cheat.

Anatomy of Tim Ball's conspiratorial pseudo-science at WUWT | HotWhopper

Tim Ball in almost every article shows he hasn't left the 1970s. Today he's barely entered it. In the manner of religious fundamentalists, Tim doesn't accept any scientific knowledge that was developed after 1970, and he doesn't accept most science that was developed before then either. He makes up his own from fragments of books written by people he took a fancy to up until he was in his early 30s. (Tim was born in November 1938. Any science done after 1970 doesn't exist in Tim's mind, and most done before 1970 is wrong - in Tim's mind.) Like Peter Pan Tim didn't grow up. He exists in a dark fantasy of his own creation where ogres roam. Tim's ogres include Maurice Strong, an oil industrialist who was Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment in the early 1970s, and was the first executive director of the United Nations Environment Programme. If there is one type of person that Tim can't abide (apart from Jews and scientists), it is anyone who thinks it's important to protect our natural world. The list of ogres who roam Tim's nightmares is too long to list here but it includes climate scientists Tom Wigley, Michael Mann, and Andrew Weaver. Tim's heroes include Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden.

Getfo you say the same thing about anyone that doesn't share in your bullshit like 87 year old Freeman Dyson


What's the matter you can't indocterate them ?

You really wish this was a world a movie like Logan's run don't you? No wisdom what's so ever.




.

Jenny Agutter was the dog's bollocks in that film, truly sexy woman.

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

Don't remember her , remember Farrah in that movie.



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She was the leading lady, surely you remember Jessica?

Sent from my iPhone 25S GT Turbo

I seen it like 20 times playing at the drive in , when me and my friends were kids sneaking in...but that was the last time around 1977..I really don't remember her, but I do remember Farrah in the movie..I am going to have to watch it again, the last part was so powerful like the planet of the apes.


Your Jenny

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[CrusaderFrank]

They don't need data, the science is settled

 

[mamooth]

Older scientists are either retired or near to it, hence are not scared of ruining their careers by not conforming to the prevailing orthodoxy.

Can you name anyone who had their career ruined, or who was fired for "not conforming"? I'm pointing out that your premise is an unsupported conspiracy theory which is contradicted by the facts, being that no denier scientists have been fired anywhere.

Also, the vast majority of retired scientists don't develop such a case of the stupids, so that also debunks that conspiracy theory.