Creationists

[newpolitics]

Not smart enough to be an investigator?

That's a little rude.

Ha!! Now this is funny!! Ima mistakenly thought your new buddy was a Creationist. Since he isn't, you quickly came to his defense.

No, you're not bias!!!!

You are hilariously predictable. I never claimed to be non-bias. You seem to have some mis-placed expectation that I should, when you clearly are not. Hmmm... special pleading?

 

[UltimateReality]

Gee whiz. It's a Jim Jones / David Koresh wannabe.

We should explain to the cult member that Nazi'ism was deeply rooted in christianity but that might push him over the edge.

No one is falling for your revisionist propaganda regarding the Nazi's, Nazi. This comes from your ignorant view that just because someone is labeled Christian by their families church affiliation, that makes them a Christian. It does not. To be a Christian you must follow the teachings of Christ.

Mark 12(NIV):

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.


Of course you are self-loathing enough to want to destroy your own life so I can see you escorting Christians into the gas chamber.

No True Scotsman fallacy. You are not one to determine who is a "true" christian or not, because you do not exemplify a standard, because the standards change from interpretation to interpretation, and you can not possibly claim to have the right interpretation. The bible contradicts itself constantly, so a "correct" interpretation is logically impossible, on matters as basic as salvation.

Wrong! The Bible says if someone loves Christ, they will keep his commands.

John 14:15(NIV)

15 “If you love me, keep my commands. [Christ Speaking]

 

[Hollie]

Yep, you just confirmed you are one sick pig. While I agree that is disturbing and inhumane, what do you expect from a nation that has abandoned God like atheistic China?? Horrible atrocities are a sure thing with the brutality that accompanies the loss of compassion which comes from God. Along with your unnatural affection for other men, you also have an un-natrual disdain for the sanctity of human life. Who was it that claimed atheists don't worship the creation?? This is the same type of thinking that allowed the Nazi's to gas men, women and children like they were insignificant pieces of garbage. And this is no doubt what happens when men abandon logic and embrace the law of the jungle that materialism espouses.

Gee whiz. It's a Jim Jones / David Koresh wannabe.

We should explain to the cult member that Nazi'ism was deeply rooted in christianity but that might push him over the edge.

No one is falling for your revisionist propaganda regarding the Nazi's, Nazi. This comes from your ignorant view that just because someone is labeled Christian by their families church affiliation, that makes them a Christian. It does not. To be a Christian you must follow the teachings of Christ.

Mark 12(NIV):

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.


Of course you are self-loathing enough to want to destroy your own life so I can see you escorting Christians into the gas chamber.

The revisionist is you. It's just dishonest at its core to try and separate christianity from Nazi ideology. Additionally, it seems to be a common tactic of Christians, particularly, to make personal decisions as to who is a "real Christian" and who isn't. It really is a way for some to excuse the actions of those who have used their religious belief as a means of justifying whatever atrocity they chose to commit.

That Christian fundamentalists choose to use their religion as a means to maintain themselves chained to fear and ignorance is pitiable but those flaws cannot be allowed to be inflicted on others.

 

[UltimateReality]

That's a little rude.

Ha!! Now this is funny!! Ima mistakenly thought your new buddy was a Creationist. Since he isn't, you quickly came to his defense.

No, you're not bias!!!!

You are hilariously predictable. I never claimed to be non-bias.

Really?? So now you admit it. And your bias extends to all your opinions on so called science as well then.

 

[UltimateReality]

Gee whiz. It's a Jim Jones / David Koresh wannabe.

We should explain to the cult member that Nazi'ism was deeply rooted in christianity but that might push him over the edge.

No one is falling for your revisionist propaganda regarding the Nazi's, Nazi. This comes from your ignorant view that just because someone is labeled Christian by their families church affiliation, that makes them a Christian. It does not. To be a Christian you must follow the teachings of Christ.

Mark 12(NIV):

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.


Of course you are self-loathing enough to want to destroy your own life so I can see you escorting Christians into the gas chamber.

The revisionist is you. It's just dishonest at its core to try and separate christianity from Nazi ideology. Additionally, it seems to be a common tactic of Christians, particularly, to make personal decisions as to who is a "real Christian" and who isn't. It really is a way for some to excuse the actions of those who have used their religious belief as a means of justifying whatever atrocity they chose to commit.

That Christian fundamentalists choose to use their religion as a means to maintain themselves chained to fear and ignorance is pitiable but those flaws cannot be allowed to be inflicted on others.

In your twisted worldview and bigoted hate campaign, it is no surprise that you fantasize that your favorite evil atheist regime was made up of Christians.

 

[UltimateReality]

So, has anyone spotted this "ID" person yet? Is he still invisible?

to us. He exists outside of space, matter, time and energy. This Being predates the Big Bang so how do you think you would be able to see him??

In other words, by definition, he doesn't exist. Nothing predates the big bang.

Then what caused the Big Bang Einstein?

 

[Hollie]

No one is falling for your revisionist propaganda regarding the Nazi's, Nazi. This comes from your ignorant view that just because someone is labeled Christian by their families church affiliation, that makes them a Christian. It does not. To be a Christian you must follow the teachings of Christ.

Mark 12(NIV):

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[a] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no commandment greater than these.”

32 “Well said, teacher,” the man replied. “You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.


Of course you are self-loathing enough to want to destroy your own life so I can see you escorting Christians into the gas chamber.

No True Scotsman fallacy. You are not one to determine who is a "true" christian or not, because you do not exemplify a standard, because the standards change from interpretation to interpretation, and you can not possibly claim to have the right interpretation. The bible contradicts itself constantly, so a "correct" interpretation is logically impossible, on matters as basic as salvation.

Wrong! The Bible says if someone loves Christ, they will keep his commands.

John 14:15(NIV)

15 “If you love me, keep my commands. [Christ Speaking]

Nonsense. Christianity has splintered into so many sects and subdivisions, there are too many to count. That is because the "message" is convoluted and subject to widely varying interpretation.

 

[UltimateReality]

That is exactly right and why your side should back off being so arrogant. I am not the one arguing from the stand point of ignorance that would be you. I can and did provide evidence for what I believe. Anytime you fellas run out this ignorant argument well how do you know we won't find this or that you have just lost your credibility. You let me know when you find it

We are not talking about gaps concerning your theory,we are talking gaping holes. Life by design definitely possesses more credibility. I said it once, I don't need to present the creator to you he has already done that. I don't need to prove God exist's all i have to do is prove design. Really it was not me it was many that have proved design I am just one who is not ignorant when it comes to this subject and I agree with the ones who say life just simply didn't come in to existence through naturalism.

I always think it is such a joke when they say life happened by accident. Even with our massive technology, we can't take amino acids and proteins and using microscopes and micromachines build a working cell. This is even with intelligent input!!! Yet, were are expected to believe that something we can't even reverse engineer just happened by chance and self assembled itself.

This is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. Our ability or inability to reproduce a living cell has nothing to do with how those cells were created in the first place.

Was that a Freudian slip???

No, you never use teleological terms. No never.

 

[UltimateReality]

We don't have evidence of this period of history. If there was, we wouldn't be having this discussion. You are the one making an argument from ignorance, not us. Stop trying to switch the burden of proof. You are the worst! And UR...

That is exactly right and why your side should back off being so arrogant. I am not the one arguing from the stand point of ignorance that would be you. I can and did provide evidence for what I believe. Anytime you fellas run out this ignorant argument well how do you know we won't find this or that you have just lost your credibility. You let me know when you find it

We are not talking about gaps concerning your theory,we are talking gaping holes. Life by design definitely possesses more credibility. I said it once, I don't need to present the creator to you he has already done that. I don't need to prove God exist's all i have to do is prove design. Really it was not me it was many that have proved design I am just one who is not ignorant when it comes to this subject and I agree with the ones who say life just simply didn't come in to existence through naturalism.

You just put your foot in your mouth. You did not provide any evidence for you claims about there being a designer. I realize that what you see if evidence of your own claims, but this is not evidence to anyone else. It is mere interpretation by your part, and confirmation bias. For the last time, scientists don't claim to know how life came about. So, i'm not sure what you are babbling about. On the other hand, YOU DO CLAIM to know how life came about, even though we are all ignorant to how it happened. Hence, a ******* ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE.

Stop trying to fend off this accusation with your silly appeals to ridicule. Your position is ripe with logical fallacy because you HAVE NO EVIDENCE. Therefore, it is your only option to employ logical fallacy after logical fallacy to try and convince yourself that your position is objectively valid when it isn't. What's laughable is how you haven't met your burden of proof with respect to any scientific claims about there being a designer. This is the arrogance of your side.

You still don't get it. ID Theory seeks to prove the scientific theory that intelligence is responsible for the origin of life. It is a RELIGIOUS belief that the identity of this intelligence is God.

 

[UltimateReality]

So, has anyone spotted this "ID" person yet? Is he still invisible?

to us. He exists outside of space, matter, time and energy. This Being predates the Big Bang so how do you think you would be able to see him??

In other words, by definition, he doesn't exist. Nothing predates the big bang. Time was created at its inception. Therefore, there was no time before it. How does something exist without time, space, matter, or energy? Care to explain? Do you know ANYTHING about the being you are proposing somehow "exists"?

Yes, God says in the Bible that he is Spirit. He is not constrained by Matter, Time or Space. When the Bible was written, the Big Bang Theory had not been proposed, nor the new belief that even time began at the Big Bang.

 

[UltimateReality]

You just demonstrated my point for me,entirely. You are unable to take into account, the pain of animals, because of some bullshit excuse you give yourself about self-awareness, and the justification you receive from the bible. Here's the bullshit: First of all, you can't positively know the phenomenological experience of animals, despite self-awareness tests we may have done. Most farm animals are very social creatures, with rights to life just as much as the dogs or cats we bring into our home (in the Western World- I realize China eats dogs). Pigs are smarter than dogs, yet we love dogs and subject pigs to institutional torture and death? Cows are also very social animals too, that want to live.

Really though, intelligence has nothing to do with pain detection. It is an entirely different system in the brain. You are using Descartes argument or William Lane Craig's argument, where he says the animal isn't able to feel pain because it isn't self-aware. This is impossible to establish as a fact, because despite any tests we do, we will never know their subjective experience of the world and of themselves. The only thing that is important, is whether they can feel pain. This is demonstrably, yes. Also, animals have interests of their own, and we completely ignore them for our own. This is selfish, and narcissistic, and what's worse are the bullshit justifications such the ones you just provided.

Unborn babies certainly are not self-aware, so any argument that supports your justification for eating animals could also be applied to babies before they are around 2 years old, when they become self-aware. Your position is based on speciesism, plain and simple. It is special pleading that babies be taken into our moral account, even though most farm animals are smarter than babies and more self-aware. Obviously, I am not advocating we start eating babies, but any argument you try to provide that shows preference for the interests of human babies over adult animals is special pleading. You have no justification to do so, other than the "might makes right" fallacy (appeal to Ad Baculum: appeal to force).

Leave it to you to Strawman this. I did not say animals did not feel pain or discomfort. I said they don't experience it the same way someone who is self aware does.

Maybe you should outlaw lions on the African plain. Those sickos kill and start to eat other animals while they are still alive!!! And your designer made it this way!!!

Leave it to you to falsely accuse me of a strawman. I never said that you said that animals don't feel pain. What you said is that, because they are not as self-aware (according to you), they don't possess awareness enough to know they are feeling pain. In other words, they effectively, aren't able to feel pain. There is no distinction, because it would lead to the same conclusion: to disregard their pain. So, where did I straw man you? Don't back away from your own untenable position. Just own up to the fact that it is bullshit.

Wrong again smarty pants!!! I said there is no component of I in their pain experience.

 

[UltimateReality]

So, has anyone spotted this "ID" person yet? Is he still invisible?

to us. He exists outside of space, matter, time and energy. This Being predates the Big Bang so how do you think you would be able to see him??

In other words, by definition, he doesn't exist.

Your logic is all twisted up. No, not by definition!! Where do you come up with this crap? Because you can't see it, taste it, smell it, hear it, touch it, it isn't real? Yet, your atheist brethren in their zeal to disprove the fine tuning argument for God have come up with the Multiple Universe theory. No one seems to be bugged that the other universes exist outside our universe. You're pathetic and not even worth arguing with.

 

[Hollie]

to us. He exists outside of space, matter, time and energy. This Being predates the Big Bang so how do you think you would be able to see him??

In other words, by definition, he doesn't exist. Nothing predates the big bang. Time was created at its inception. Therefore, there was no time before it. How does something exist without time, space, matter, or energy? Care to explain? Do you know ANYTHING about the being you are proposing somehow "exists"?

Yes, God says in the Bible that he is Spirit. He is not constrained by Matter, Time or Space. When the Bible was written, the Big Bang Theory had not been proposed, nor the new belief that even time began at the Big Bang.

Your gawds "say" nothing in the various bibles. The bibles, as we know, were written by men.

You're having real difficulty in a reality based world.

 

[newpolitics]

Ha!! Now this is funny!! Ima mistakenly thought your new buddy was a Creationist. Since he isn't, you quickly came to his defense.

No, you're not bias!!!!

You are hilariously predictable. I never claimed to be non-bias.

Really?? So now you admit it. And your bias extends to all your opinions on so called science as well then.

Are you claiming to be non-bias? Is anyone non-bias??? That is some serious arrogance right there.

What is this double-standard you are putting up, you asshole? For some reason, I am expected to be totally objective, yet you are not held to the same standard? This is SPECIAL PLEADING. You are claiming I am an exemption from known human cognitive biases which we can not consciously control, but you, nor anyone else is. There is something wrong with you.

Can you claim to be non-bias? I hope not, because you are failing miserably.

 

[newpolitics]

to us. He exists outside of space, matter, time and energy. This Being predates the Big Bang so how do you think you would be able to see him??

In other words, by definition, he doesn't exist.

Your logic is all twisted up. No, not by definition!! Where do you come up with this crap? Because you can't see it, taste it, smell it, hear it, touch it, it isn't real? Yet, your atheist brethren in their zeal to disprove the fine tuning argument for God have come up with the Multiple Universe theory. No one seems to be bugged that the other universes exist outside our universe. You're pathetic and not even worth arguing with.

Nice appeal to hypocrisy, or the Tu Quoque Fallacy. The multiverse theory has nothing to do with this claim, so lets stick with the topic at hand. I never said it was because you can't see it, taste it... etc. I used logic, and said there was no space, no time, no energy, no matter... by all accounts, existence is defined as something which exists in space and time. How does something exists outside of space and time? Can you answer this question without an appeal to hypocrisy? No, you can not. You must resort to dodging the question.

Btw, it is well conceded that no verifiable evidence exists for the multiverse. It is mathematical, at this point. Yet, so were all of the predictions in the theory of relativity, including back holes, and they turned out to exist in the universe, after being predicted purely by mathematics.

 

[daws101]

If you could be honest with yourself, you would forgive those who have wronged you in life, including the man that abused you and is responsible for your unwanted same sex attraction, which is the real reason for your hatred of God and your atheism.

no false assuptions or accusations there ..nope not one...

It's assumptions and you're wrong.

it's a typo. the rest is correct and true.

 

[daws101]

You didn't know engineers design daws

ah yes I do.....your attempt at finding fault fails, as always.

I will stop it when you provide evidence of your engineer.

Let's talk about your designer.

Let's see who is suffering from delusions. What is your evidence that Enzymes evolved the ability to do what we have discussed ?

asked and answered
which is it a designer or an engineer?

 

[daws101]

Dodge !!

I will stop it when you provide evidence of your engineer.

Let's talk about your designer.

Let's see who is suffering from delusions. What is your evidence that Enzymes evolved the ability to do what we have discussed ?

He's not the one saying there is a designer. You are. So, why are you asking him to provide evidence for your premise?? This makes no sense.

Your designer is naturalism.

I will stop it when you provide evidence of your engineer.

Let's talk about your designer.

Let's see who is suffering from delusions. What is your evidence that Enzymes evolved the ability to do what we have discussed ?

Definition of NATURALISM
1: action, inclination, or thought based only on natural desires and instincts
2: a theory denying that an event or object has a supernatural significance; specifically : the doctrine that scientific laws are adequate to account for all phenomena
3: realism in art or literature; specifically : a theory or practice in literature emphasizing scientific observation of life without idealization and often including elements of determinism

as always you're wrong as posted above there is no "who" in naturalism.

 

[daws101]

If you are talking to Daws, its comb-over, not coma.

another false assuption..
baldness does not run in my family.
unlike yours.

I was talking about the haircut YWC just gave you.

dodge! no you weren't
two delusions in one post!

 

[daws101]

Daws, YWC is not like that big sore on your lip you got from Hawly. Even if you ignore him he is not going away.

not another gay slur...wow you seem to an expert at what causes mouth sores .....

So Daws apparently you are convinced that Hawly is packing?

another false assuption. i can see why you never made detective... it's either extreme paranoia as exhibited in the prior post or sucking cock in the locker room.
there is no other logical reason why Ur would be so knowledgeable about mouth sores or so perversely interested in homosexuality.






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