Creationists

[UltimateReality]

you never presented an argument.

All functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source.

That's a statement derived from your religious beliefs.

That's a major part of issues with being taken seriously. You don't know what an argument is.

Regardless of your ad hominem attacks against me that make you think no one notices you aren't presenting any opposing viewpoint, here is the full argument repeated. Feel free to start presenting a logical, opposing argument anytime. Or better yet, some scientific evidence that refutes these statements.

ALL functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source. DNA is a functional digital code. Therefore, an intelligent agent must have been the source of DNA.

 

[Hollie]

All functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source.

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Those mountains of literature are derived from places such as Harun Yahya for one example. Lets not pretend that the literature is not without a religious preconception and bias that comes with association with these groups.

You are announcing up front that you are pressing a religious agenda and that accuracy and integrity are not a concern.

Are the gargantuan letters the function of a juvenile temper tantrum?

 

[UltimateReality]

Your comment is ignorant. First, your juvenile attempt at a slight with "evolutionist" speaks volumes about your disgust for science. Secondly, evolution is not a study of haw life began. You are not aware of even the most basic principles of evolutionary science.

And neither are you!!!! If you were, you could answer the two questions I've posed numerous times on this thread regarding origins and evolution. None of your evo fools can seem to answer them so nice try at sound scientific.

Actually, you posted material mined from Christian creationist websites with a predefined agenda of supporting a religious view. Religion is not science.

Will you do the research and provide an answer to my two questions?

 

[Hollie]

All functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source.

That's a statement derived from your religious beliefs.

That's a major part of issues with being taken seriously. You don't know what an argument is.

Regardless of your ad hominem attacks against me that make you think no one notices you aren't presenting any opposing viewpoint, here is the full argument repeated. Feel free to start presenting a logical, opposing argument anytime. Or better yet, some scientific evidence that refutes these statements.

ALL functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source. DNA is a functional digital code. Therefore, an intelligent agent must have been the source of DNA.

You can write out any statement you wish with huge, multi-color letters. Your making a totally unsupported statement doesn't make the statement true and huge letters certainly don't prove the gods are true.

 

[Youwerecreated]

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Those mountains of literature are derived from places such as Harun Yahya for one example. Lets not pretend that the literature is not without a religious preconception and bias that comes with association with these groups.

You are announcing up front that you are pressing a religious agenda and that accuracy and integrity are not a concern.

Are the gargantuan letters the function of a juvenile temper tantrum?

You didn't look very close at these sources now did you ?

 

[Hollie]

And neither are you!!!! If you were, you could answer the two questions I've posed numerous times on this thread regarding origins and evolution. None of your evo fools can seem to answer them so nice try at sound scientific.

Actually, you posted material mined from Christian creationist websites with a predefined agenda of supporting a religious view. Religion is not science.

Will you do the research and provide an answer to my two questions?

I recall that's already been done. Feel free to decide for yourself why the answer doesn't appeal to your religious beliefs.

My question to you is simple: can you provide a competing weight of demonstrable evidence for you gods as science has provided for a naturally occurring environment?

 

[Hollie]

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Those mountains of literature are derived from places such as Harun Yahya for one example. Lets not pretend that the literature is not without a religious preconception and bias that comes with association with these groups.

You are announcing up front that you are pressing a religious agenda and that accuracy and integrity are not a concern.

Are the gargantuan letters the function of a juvenile temper tantrum?

You didn't look very close at these sources now did you ?

Yes, I did. I'm familiar with the inherent religious biases that accompany your sources.

Your sources all have a familiar science loathing, "the gods did it", screaming bias because the sources come from the very few religious organizations that promote them.

The odd part is that I could post almost anything in response and you wouldn't have a clue if that information is true or not. You simply cut and paste from religious web sites that cater to those of your proclivities without understanding the subject matter. If you visit other message boards, you will notice a very familiar patter of the same material cut and pasted on those boards.

 

[newpolitics]

All functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source.

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

 

[UltimateReality]

you never presented an argument.

All functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source.

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

Obviously you aren't up to speed on everything that quaternary code called DNA does in the cell. It is actually more advanced than our own binary computer language.

You can start here.... "how a simple code is turned into flesh and blood"

These processes do NOT happen naturally, but require machines that are coded, built and exist from previous generations for billions of years.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3fOXt4MrOM]From DNA to Protein - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teV62zrm2P0]DNA Replication Process - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Youwerecreated]

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

We didn't create the genetic code just the names of the chemicals and letters that represent the chemicals.

You better get in a genetics class so you don't look so foolish.

Like I said please produce a language that was developed absent of intelligence ?

 

[newpolitics]

All functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source.

That's a statement derived from your religious beliefs.

That's a major part of issues with being taken seriously. You don't know what an argument is.

Regardless of your ad hominem attacks against me that make you think no one notices you aren't presenting any opposing viewpoint, here is the full argument repeated. Feel free to start presenting a logical, opposing argument anytime. Or better yet, some scientific evidence that refutes these statements.

ALL functional, digital code has an intelligent agent as its source. DNA is a functional digital code. Therefore, an intelligent agent must have been the source of DNA.

This is in response to what UL wrote. We only have ONE other instance of encrypted digital code, and that is the one we created. When you say "all instances",you make it sound as if there are a lot, and that they are all designed. Further, you're assertion is highly bizarre. You make it sound like there are other binary codes we have "found" that have been designed by other intelligent beings other than us. We have designed the binary code to which you are comparing to DNA, so it is a little bias, based on this comparison alone, to then use inductive reasoning and assume that DNA is also designed. This is fallacious reasoning and doesn't sufficiently follow from your premise, because you can't demonstrate it to be true.

 

[UltimateReality]

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

You are missing it completely. Let me describe it. There is no "god" involved in this theory, but only you and I. We can make a scientifically verifiable assumption and use logic to reach the conclusion an intelligent agent is responsible for digital code. The binary code was being used in computers before the huge world of dna began to be discovered. Only intelligent agents are responsible for functional digital code. The agent responsible for dna could be an alien race or the Christian God, but ID theory is science, not religion, so it does not make any claims about the identity of the designer, only that it is the best explanation.

 

[Hollie]

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

We didn't create the genetic code just the names of the chemicals and letters that represent the chemicals.

You better get in a genetics class so you don't look so foolish.

Like I said please produce a language that was developed absent of intelligence ?

DNA code is not a language. Complicated language is a function of a sentient beings within a social framework. Language gets less complicated as you move down the ladder of sentient creatures.

Your're introducing language with DNA because you read that on some page at the ICR.

They're making you look foolish. Don't be an accomplice.

 

[newpolitics]

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

We didn't create the genetic code just the names of the chemicals and letters that represent the chemicals.

You better get in a genetics class so you don't look so foolish.

Like I said please produce a language that was developed absent of intelligence ?

I didn't say we created it. I don't know where you got that from.

I don't need to provide you with an example of language that was produced absent intelligence (our own, presumably). That wouldn't prove a designer if I couldn't. In every instance where we see a language, we know who created it, because that is creator is us. The first code that produced us, doesn't need a designer, necessarily, so to jump that conclusion is fallacious. How else would you expect a self-replicating organism to carry information? A code is a very logical expectation, and simply does not require that a creator did it. However much you may want to believe that, does not make it true, and does not act as evidence, for the one billionth time. You are using wishful thinking!

I don't need to know a single thing about genetics to make the argument that you can't jump to a designer to explain something natural simply because it seems incredulous without a supernatural explanation to you. This is a subjective viewpoint that you have, and by definition, does not suffice to explain objective phenomena.

 

[Hollie]

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

You are missing it completely. Let me describe it. There is no "god" involved in this theory, but only you and I. We can make a scientifically verifiable assumption and use logic to reach the conclusion an intelligent agent is responsible for digital code. The binary code was being used in computers before the huge world of dna began to be discovered. Only intelligent agents are responsible for functional digital code. The agent responsible for dna could be an alien race or the Christian God, but ID theory is science, not religion, so it does not make any claims about the identity of the designer, only that it is the best explanation.

ID is not theory it is religion. The entire framework of your argument is connected to the Christian god(s). Your links are often to fundie Christian creationist / ID promoting websites.

Are you hoping to revise or rename your claims to creationism? That's been done already. The ID'ers were exposed at the same wacky fundie creationists just wrapped in a shiny new package.

 

[UltimateReality]

This is simply untrue. It is true for the only other instance we've we seen, because we created that instance (a binary code- it is not digital. that is a play on words to make it seem more designed. digital code uses binary coding, but the language is not the same. Digital coding has very specific meanings that don't translate to DNA). That doesn't mean the information in DNA came from a creator. It simply doesn't. If this is the basis for your argument and that of the ID proponents, then you have no evidence.

The 4 nucleotides (Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine and Thymine) are the alphabet of the genetic code, which is the language of the recipe book.

Each word in the language of genetics is 3 letters long and is called a codon. A sentence composed of codons spells out the ingredients needed to make a protein.

The ingredients of proteins are molecules called amino acids.
Only 20 different amino acids needed to make all the proteins in the body. Each 3-letter code represents the instruction to add a particular amino acid.


A lot of the amino acids used come from the food we eat, whilst others are made in the by our own cells. Those that we can make ourselves are called non-essential amino acids, whilst those we get from our diet are essential amino acids.

There are some codons in the genetic code that don’t stand for an amino acid. Instead they’re like the capital letter at the beginning of a sentence and the full stop at the end. They’re called the start and stop codons and indeed tell the machinery making the protein to start and stop building.

The genetic code - the language of genetics






DNA contains the genetic instructions for all living organisms

Our bodies are made up of some five trillion cells with a multitude of functions. Within the nucleus of almost every one of these cells are long molecules called DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid). DNA is like an organic blueprint or book of recipes. Your DNA is a genetic code that contains all the instructions needed to make an organism like you, to renew your cells and to keep your body functioning properly.




Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code


The language of life

DNA molecules are found within the nuclei of your cells and are really long chains of building blocks called nucleotides. These chains form the iconic twisting ladder structure (the double-helix) that was discovered by the Nobel laureates Francis Crick and James Watson in 1953. Nucleotides are the ‘rungs’ in the twisting ladder of DNA molecules. The long chains of DNA form the ‘words’ and ‘sentences’ of your genetic code, in which nucleotides are the ‘letters’. Nucleotides come in four different versions, adenine, thymine, cytosine and guanine, usually represented by the letters A, T, C and G, respectively. The human genetic code consists of about 3 billion of these four kinds of nucleotides. Each of your cells contains two copies of this genetic code, one inherited from your mother and the other from your father.

DNA The Code of Life | The Language of Life | deCODEme

You will find mountains of literature supporting our view over yours.

Those mountains of literature are derived from places such as Harun Yahya for one example. Lets not pretend that the literature is not without a religious preconception and bias that comes with association with these groups.

You are announcing up front that you are pressing a religious agenda and that accuracy and integrity are not a concern.

Are the gargantuan letters the function of a juvenile temper tantrum?

So let me get this straight, you say the information about dna above isn't scientific fact?

 

[UltimateReality]

Actually, you posted material mined from Christian creationist websites with a predefined agenda of supporting a religious view. Religion is not science.

Will you do the research and provide an answer to my two questions?

I recall that's already been done. Feel free to decide for yourself why the answer doesn't appeal to your religious beliefs.

My question to you is simple: can you provide a competing weight of demonstrable evidence for you gods as science has provided for a naturally occurring environment?

No, but I can for one true God.

 

[UltimateReality]

Actually, you posted material mined from Christian creationist websites with a predefined agenda of supporting a religious view. Religion is not science.

Will you do the research and provide an answer to my two questions?

I recall that's already been done. Feel free to decide for yourself why the answer doesn't appeal to your religious beliefs.

My question to you is simple: can you provide a competing weight of demonstrable evidence for you gods as science has provided for a naturally occurring environment?

No, it hasn't. You made the claim above. Will you answer my two questions?

1. At what point in known organisms, cells and structures, does the theory of evolution propose to begin. How far back does evolution start to explain where we are now. Where does abiogenisis actually end and the TOE begin.

2. What does the common ancestor evolutionists continually refer to look like? Is it a hominid, or a single cell organism? Again, at what speciation level is common ancestry said to begin?

I will anxiously await your reply since you made the claim above that evolution doesn't cover the origin of life. So just what does it cover? Where does it begin?

 

[newpolitics]

Wow, your reading comprehension really sucks. I just did it above. The origin of life is a miracle. In fact, something just being alive is a miracle until such time as someone can produce life in a test tube. They can't even do this intentionally, much less show it occurred through a natural process. Heck, they can't even take all the existing parts in a cell and put them back together. All the kings horses and all the kings men...

"Miracle" is a subjective term, and meaningless therefore as an objective reference to an observed phenomenon. Second, just because we can't reproduce the origin of life in a lab, doesn't mean a god did it. You are nearing another logical fallacy, and one which embodies the entire intelligent design theory:

Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or "appeal to ignorance" (where "ignorance" stands for: "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false, it is "generally accepted" (or vice versa). This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four, (1) true, (2) false, (3) unknown between true or false, and (4) being unknowable (among the first three).[1] In debates, appeals to ignorance are sometimes used to shift the burden of proof.

(wikipedia.org)

You think so, but that is because you are not educated on the ID argument and choose to wallow in your ignorance of what you perceive it to be. I've said it before, ID doesn't argue religious viewpoints. It uses Lyell and Darwins method of studying the present to learn about the past. The only origin of digital code we see in the present is an intelligent agent. Therefore, when we find digital code in the cell, we can conclude that an intelligent agent is the best explanation for its source, not some random process never seen in the present that can't be tested. Or the EVo's choose not to test. ID is strictly a scientific theory. It does not make metaphysical claims and can't make guesses about who the intelligent agent is, because would be considered religion and not science. What it does do is provide the best scientific explanation, based on present evidence, for the source of the digital code in DNA.

What is there to learn about ID? The natural world is amazing, absolutely. Beyond comprehension even, but to assert that everything that seems incredible is necessarily produced by a designer, is intellectual forfeit, and something no self-respecting scientist would concede unless they possessed a presupposition that an intelligent being was the creator. Then, it wouldn't be intellectual forfeit, it would be a simple manifestation of something I already believe to be true. This demonstrates my point that ID proponents are leading the evidence to their own, arbitrary conclusions, and not following the evidence to wherever it may lead.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Cool. The genetic code is amazing. It may mirror the code that we have built entirely. It wouldn't matter. How does that prove a creator in ANY WAY? It simply does not. This is an argument from personal incredulity: I simply can't believe this was created naturally, it must be a creator. Sorry, that doesn't suffice as evidence or a theory. It suffices as giving up on a natural explanation, and trying to insert your god where science hasn't provided a full enough explanation. The whole way you are looking at this is completely backwards. You are leading the evidence, not following it, obviously to confirm your own beliefs of god. That is not science!!!!

We didn't create the genetic code just the names of the chemicals and letters that represent the chemicals.

You better get in a genetics class so you don't look so foolish.

Like I said please produce a language that was developed absent of intelligence ?

DNA code is not a language. Complicated language is a function of a sentient beings within a social framework. Language gets less complicated as you move down the ladder of sentient creatures.

Your're introducing language with DNA because you read that on some page at the ICR.

They're making you look foolish. Don't be an accomplice.

Educate yourself.

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