Crazy Idea: Lets divide a whole country into communist and capitalist and compare them 70 years later

[GMCGeneral]

So pull gov funding from everything?

Now there's a novel idea. Shrink the Federal Government right back to it's Constitutional mandates and nothing more. Let the individual states handle their own civil and social issues, MMMMKAY??

 

[AsherN]

Now there's a novel idea. Shrink the Federal Government right back to it's Constitutional mandates and nothing more. Let the individual states handle their own civil and social issues, MMMMKAY??

Oh no. Socialism is bad, so no level of government should pay for anything.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

 

[AntonToo]

I want ZERO Socialism in MY country, the United States of America.

Not that it ACTUALLY addresses what you quote, but DO YOU REALLY?

Private roads? Private Army? Private Police? Private Firehouses? No social security? No medical help for those that can't afford it?

Well maybe you are one of the hardcore nutters that do, but Americans largely don't which is why we have all that publicly funded stuff and more.

 

[JohnDB]

There's actually another example....
East Germany vx West Germany.

The contrast can still be seen today 40 years later.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Stop telling them the truth, they don't like that...

They go nuts when you explain to them Police, Army, Education, Roads.... are all socialist programs....
Now they will stamp up and down and cry that it is not... But it is...

Farm subsidies, Medicare, Social Security, trains, airports, utilities.

 

[Rigby5]

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Oh wait it has already been done. This is where the fossil fuel guzzling leftists claim they should be living like those poor people in the North who can only have certain haircuts.

Yet

All of them are PERFECTLY FREE TO LIVE HOW THEY WANT, but curiously don't live how they preach to others (me and you.)

The millenials and their kids are the biggest consumers of fossil fuels than anyone in history

North Korea is the very LEAST communist country is the world.
Communism is communal, cooperative, and collective, so has to have the most equality and local control.
Obviously North Korea is an ultra capitalist dictatorship, where Kim Jun Il is totally profit motivated and had a total centralized capitalist monopoly.

And by the way, South Korea was a horrible dictatorship as well, run by Japanese collaborators and crooks like Syngman Rhee, until 1997.

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Kim Dae-jung (Korean: 김대중; Hanja: 金大中; Korean pronunciation: [kim.dɛ.dʑuŋ]; 6 January 1924 – 18 August 2009), was a South Korean politician and activist who served as the eighth president of South Korea from 1998 to 2003.

He was a 2000 Nobel Peace Prize recipient for his work for democracy and human rights in South Korea and in East Asia in general, and for peace and reconciliation with North Korea and Japan. He is also the only Korean to have won the Nobel Prize to date.[3] He was sometimes referred to as "the Nelson Mandela of Asia".[4] Kim was the first opposition candidate to win the presidency.
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[Rigby5]

There's actually another example....
East Germany vx West Germany.

The contrast can still be seen today 40 years later.

Wrong.
The growth and technology that capitalism advances is not necessarily any improvement.
It simply means we use up more fossil fuel, make people work harder and longer, forcing women into the work place, and destroying the quality of life on the entire planet.

Living on the edge is not good.
We have more homeless, unemployed, people without healthcare access, etc.

Nor is it anything like a controlled experiment, with US economic sanctions deliberately tilting the playing field.

 

[Rigby5]

Oh no. Socialism is bad, so no level of government should pay for anything.

Sure, let private companies pay pennies on the dollar for resources like oil, gas, and metals we all need, and then let private companies make all the profit sell us back our own resources.

 

[Rigby5]

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Communism only applies to the "means of production" meaning factories that require large investments of capital.
Farms, homes, or other private property are never communist, and are just how people survive with rural living, that is not out to make a profit.
Communism has nothing to do with rural farm life.
There have always been private farms under communism.

 

[Rigby5]

Not that it ACTUALLY addresses what you quote, but DO YOU REALLY?

Private roads? Private Army? Private Police? Private Firehouses? No social security? No medical help for those that can't afford it?

Well maybe you are one of the hardcore nutters that do, but Americans largely don't which is why we have all that publicly funded stuff and more.

Worst of all would be if education was private and only affordable by the wealthy elite.
Truely a form of feudal servitude.

 

[Rigby5]

Farm subsidies, Medicare, Social Security, trains, airports, utilities.

Roads, bridges, harbors, etc.

 

[JohnDB]

Wrong.
The growth and technology that capitalism advances is not necessarily any improvement.
It simply means we use up more fossil fuel, make people work harder and longer, forcing women into the work place, and destroying the quality of life on the entire planet.

Living on the edge is not good.
We have more homeless, unemployed, people without healthcare access, etc.

Nor is it anything like a controlled experiment, with US economic sanctions deliberately tilting the playing field.

That's an outrageous lie.

 

[bodecea]

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Oh wait it has already been done. This is where the fossil fuel guzzling leftists claim they should be living like those poor people in the North who can only have certain haircuts.

Yet

All of them are PERFECTLY FREE TO LIVE HOW THEY WANT, but curiously don't live how they preach to others (me and you.)

The millenials and their kids are the biggest consumers of fossil fuels than anyone in history

My suggestion has always been to let the Red states do everything they have wanted to do: get rid of public education, get rid of OSHA and other health and safety regulations, completely ban abortion, eliminated or at least reduce taxes, drop socialist medicare and social security, cut welfare benefits, build more prisons, make the death penalty easier, etc. And let's see what happens.

 

[bodecea]

Nice backpedal.

Do you admit you've been schooled AGAIN?

And I did not copy and paste any of that shit motherfucker. Go fuck yourself.

As for advocate, the 4 idiots in YOUR PARTY. Buttplug, Imahoe, Gumpy ole Bernie...

How's my dick taste?

I have to ask....why does any discussion end up being a talk of a sodomy-sexual nature with some? I thought this was a thread on "communism" vs. "capitalism".

 

[bodecea]

Oh no. Socialism is bad, so no level of government should pay for anything.

 

[Leo123]

"A free market economy does not mean that social programs do not exist. It means that they are a responsibility of the government to be paid for by taxation. If we paid higher taxes to have a social safety net, it does not mean we are socialistic. Subsidies to favored businesses and industries are socialistic. The imposition of regulation on markets for an outcome to benefit one group of citizens over the other is socialistic."

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If We The People vote for Government to provide certain social programs with tax revenue that is not socialism. If Government owns the means of production and distributes revenue to We The People, that is socialism.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Roads, bridges, harbors, etc.

Not government owning or controlling the means of production. It is partly controlling the means of distribution, but to a limited extent, which is what we all want...LIMITED government.

 

[Leo123]

My suggestion has always been to let the Red states do everything they have wanted to do: get rid of public education, get rid of OSHA and other health and safety regulations, completely ban abortion, eliminated or at least reduce taxes, drop socialist medicare and social security, cut welfare benefits, build more prisons, make the death penalty easier, etc. And let's see what happens.

Again, socialism is government control of the means of production and government distribution of production profits. Social programs are not socialism. They are programs We The People vote for government to administer.

 

[Vegasgiants]

I want ZERO Socialism in MY country, the United States of America. Want Socialism? Move to fucking Venezuela, Communist scumbag. And Komrade Bernie deserves to die an horrific death, along with ALL leftists!

You would leave the US tomorrow if they got rid of every socialist program