Cowardly police run from protestors in minneapolis

[Vastator]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

Fuck you , this is not about the cop who killed George, this is about the cops failing to do their job ad protect citizens and places of business in the city. They did absolutely nothing. The even let their police station fall to the rioters. The entire police force needs to be replaced for failure to do their jobs

Freedom. It aint always pretty. But its always worth the cost...

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

Anarchy aint freedom.

Anarchy is the epitome of freedom. When you start interfering with other peoples freedoms you are no longer dealing with Anarchy.

 

[Polishprince]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Not cowardly at all. The police officers have already seen how quick the mayor was in firing the men who were involved in the George Floyd situation, and were doing what was best for their family. They take violent action toward the black youths, the Sacred Cows, it wouldn't turn out that great or them or their families after they lose their jobs. They weren't totally surrounded and were able to break through and escape. It was the right move.

 

[White 6]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

..I support the police arresting CRIMINALS....and that's what they did

I'm different. Though I do not believe in marquise of queens-bury rules for fighting (good way to get hurt) I do believe that once you have the handcuff on the prisoner, you own him and are responsible for his continue health and continuity, and you are not allowed to torture or execute on you personal judgment. Four on one with the suspect (in this case supposedly a non violent check forging suspect) is excessive once the handcuffs were on. Doubt if I could have survived. It was wrong to kill the guy.

 

[White 6]

The police need to replace the rubber bullets with Metallic ones

Trump needs to send in the National Guard (with tracer rounds instead of standard rounds), where we can get some awesome video...

Actually unless on title 32 duty, the Guard is under control of the Governor and the adjutant General of the state. If the president were to send in troops it would probably be Regular Army. It is his cleanest line of command. Remember when the Governor of Maryland activated National Guard troops to safeguard Corona Supplies (bought overseas by the state) against possible confiscation by the federal government? That was state duty. The federal government did not even know which Guard troops the Governor was using. I understand the the Governor of Minnesota has activated 500 National Guard troops, but undoubtedly not all of them issued ammunition, probably on one Company. Suspect the 500 troops overall mission being to protect government infrastructure, communication, water, gas, electricity and contingency operations. You may be watching too much TV or old Rambo movies.

 

[2aguy]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Yes......this is why we don't need to own and carry guns, the police will protect us..............er...........um.............is the gun store open?

 

[Vastator]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Yes......this is why we don't need to own and carry guns, the police will protect us..............er...........um.............is the gun store open?

Probably wide open...

 

[White 6]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

Fuck you , this is not about the cop who killed George, this is about the cops failing to do their job ad protect citizens and places of business in the city. They did absolutely nothing. The even let their police station fall to the rioters. The entire police force needs to be replaced for failure to do their jobs

Suspect the police are following the orders they are given in dealing with this situation, sparked by police violence. Kind of doubt the Mayor is telling the police chief to put his personnel on the street to kick ass. Congratulations on your dirty mouth this early in the morning. I am certain your mother would be proud.

 

[White 6]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

Yeah cause... if you don't support people burning down other people's property and stealing from them - then you support police brutality.

No. You are confused or mistaken. I was taught that you do not support police brutality or people burning down property and stealing, as both are wrong. Apparently the Mayor and the Governor were taught the same thing, as there was not a confrontation force ordered into the riot area last night.

 

[Desperado]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

Fuck you , this is not about the cop who killed George, this is about the cops failing to do their job ad protect citizens and places of business in the city. They did absolutely nothing. The even let their police station fall to the rioters. The entire police force needs to be replaced for failure to do their jobs

Suspect the police are following the orders they are given in dealing with this situation, sparked by police violence. Kind of doubt the Mayor is telling the police chief to put his personnel on the street to kick ass. Congratulations on your dirty mouth this early in the morning. I am certain your mother would be proud.

The Cops are there to protect and serve. They are failing in their duty. They let the rioters run wild, that is an epic fail on the police.
now we need to find out who ordered the stand down order and remove them from office.

 

[Obiwan]

The police need to replace the rubber bullets with Metallic ones

Trump needs to send in the National Guard (with tracer rounds instead of standard rounds), where we can get some awesome video...

Actually unless on title 32 duty, the Guard is under control of the Governor and the adjutant General of the state. If the president were to send in troops it would probably be Regular Army. It is his cleanest line of command. Remember when the Governor of Maryland activated National Guard troops to safeguard Corona Supplies (bought overseas by the state) against possible confiscation by the federal government? That was state duty. The federal government did not even know which Guard troops the Governor was using. I understand the the Governor of Minnesota has activated 500 National Guard troops, but undoubtedly not all of them issued ammunition, probably on one Company. Suspect the 500 troops overall mission being to protect government infrastructure, communication, water, gas, electricity and contingency operations. You may be watching too much TV or old Rambo movies.

But the President CAN call the National Guard to Federal Active Duty (Title 32), taking them out from under the incompetent governor, and placing them under HIS command. Basically, they would become FEDERAL TROOPS at that point...

But you're right on the point that he can use EXISTING FEDERAL TROOPS, since they have been used before (example: using federal troops to enforce desegregation)...

But the troops obviously need to be issued live rounds, since law enforcement is failing to do THEIR job!!! If troops are used, they should not have to just "take their chances" by trying to take on thugs that are possibly armed without a means to defend themselves (while the cops refuse to offer any protection against those thugs)...

 

[White 6]

The police need to replace the rubber bullets with Metallic ones

Trump needs to send in the National Guard (with tracer rounds instead of standard rounds), where we can get some awesome video...

Actually unless on title 32 duty, the Guard is under control of the Governor and the adjutant General of the state. If the president were to send in troops it would probably be Regular Army. It is his cleanest line of command. Remember when the Governor of Maryland activated National Guard troops to safeguard Corona Supplies (bought overseas by the state) against possible confiscation by the federal government? That was state duty. The federal government did not even know which Guard troops the Governor was using. I understand the the Governor of Minnesota has activated 500 National Guard troops, but undoubtedly not all of them issued ammunition, probably on one Company. Suspect the 500 troops overall mission being to protect government infrastructure, communication, water, gas, electricity and contingency operations. You may be watching too much TV or old Rambo movies.

But the President CAN call the National Guard to Federal Active Duty (Title 32), taking them out from under the incompetent governor, and placing them under HIS command. Basically, they would become FEDERAL TROOPS at that point...

But you're right on the point that he can use EXISTING FEDERAL TROOPS, since they have been used before (example: using federal troops to enforce desegregation)...

But the troops obviously need to be issued live rounds, since law enforcement is failing to do THEIR job!!! If troops are used, they should not have to just "take their chances" by trying to take on thugs that are possibly armed without a means to defend themselves (while the cops refuse to offer any protection against those thugs)...

Was in a civil unrest situation where National Guard troops were used to safeguard infrastructure in a major city. About 1500 troops were activated by the Governor. Most were used guarding public works and infrastructure as well as manning fire trucks due to the police and firemen walk out. These were not issued live ammo or at least it was kept at company or higher level of organization. I was part of the reactionary force, only called out to a scene when shots were fired, harassing the guardsmen on the firetrucks. We had everything and all personal weapons remained loaded or in the individual troop's ammo pouches. Crew served weapons were mounted but we didn't lock and load them unless call out of the bivouac site. Glad we did not have to fire a shot. Whenever we were called out to a site of harassing gunfire and started scanning the adjacent buildings no further shots were fired.
The Minnesota Guard would probably would be organized similarly, limiting the number of troops with live rounds for greater weapons control discipline. I do not think there has been any thoughts of doing otherwise since the Kent State incident, that turned out so badly.

 

[ChemEngineer]

The Cops are there to protect and serve. They are failing in their duty. They let the rioters run wild, that is an epic fail on the police.
now we need to find out who ordered the stand down order and remove them from office.

I sent a letter to the Minneapolis newspaper for publication suggesting that the police chief is a coward and should be fired. Then I sent that letter to the only two council members with the guts to provide their email addresses. Cowardice is rampant.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

An intelligent response to what the community saw, was for:
1. A peaceful demonstration.
2. Demand that the District Attorney review the case.
The District Attorney would "impartially" investigate and bring it before a Grand Jury, if needed.
The low IQ response by a community:
1. "Hey, let's burn things that have nothing to do with the arrest."
2. "Hey, let's steal things, because it's fun and has nothing to do with the arrest."
3. "Hey, let's destroy our own communities."
4. "Hey, let's be idiots, because it's fun."
I have heard that the Minnesota National Guard has been called in. If true, the National Guard should just go in shooting, to make a point as to who is actually in charge. Once the smoke clears and the bodies are piled up, see if the survivors are smiling.

The district attorney shot his mouth off and said there may be evidence that no crime was committed by the police.

The foolish man demonstrated the justice system is corrupt.

"May be" no evidence of a crime being committed is not the same as "no evidence of a crime being committed." This is true of any case brought before District Attorneys across the US. It has to be carefully researched via witnesses and bodycams of the officers, along with any additional video evidence that can be provided. Rioters and looters won't be the determining factor in what happens with the police officer involved. The looters are merely more crap that needs to be dealt with, with violence if necessary.

 

[Kondor3]

If the riots continue, Rump should (a) declare martial law in such locations, then (b) send-in Regulars...

With orders to shoot-to-kill, directed against looters and violent-mob members.

Screw 'em.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

..I support the police arresting CRIMINALS....and that's what they did

I'm different. Though I do not believe in marquise of queens-bury rules for fighting (good way to get hurt) I do believe that once you have the handcuff on the prisoner, you own him and are responsible for his continue health and continuity, and you are not allowed to torture or execute on you personal judgment. Four on one with the suspect (in this case supposedly a non violent check forging suspect) is excessive once the handcuffs were on. Doubt if I could have survived. It was wrong to kill the guy.

At this point I have not seen any reports regarding exactly what caused the death...speculation is running wild...rioting is not the solution...the backlash to that will not be good.

 

[MacTheKnife]

If the riots continue, Rump should (a) declare martial law in such locations, then (b) send-in Regulars...

With orders to shoot-to-kill, directed against looters and violent-mob members.

Screw 'em.

Martial law will be needed.....at least in our major cities if the lawlessness continues to grow...it must not be tolerated.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

Fuck you , this is not about the cop who killed George, this is about the cops failing to do their job ad protect citizens and places of business in the city. They did absolutely nothing. The even let their police station fall to the rioters. The entire police force needs to be replaced for failure to do their jobs

Suspect the police are following the orders they are given in dealing with this situation, sparked by police violence. Kind of doubt the Mayor is telling the police chief to put his personnel on the street to kick ass. Congratulations on your dirty mouth this early in the morning. I am certain your mother would be proud.

The Cops are there to protect and serve. They are failing in their duty. They let the rioters run wild, that is an epic fail on the police.
now we need to find out who ordered the stand down order and remove them from office.

The police undoubtedly are following orders from above to do nothing...out of a misguided effort not to further inflame the rioters....the wrong approach for sure.

 

[Desperado]

Are we a nation of law and order or a nation of mob rule?

The msm has been striving for a long time to stir up a minority insurrection and they may now have suceeded...at least in Minneapolis and it may spread nation wide.

BREAKING: Mob Rioters Storm 3rd Precinct in Minneapolis - Set Fires - Police Retreat and Abandon Building! (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Where is the National Guard?!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

You support the police killing that hand cuffed guy? The video I saw first on the internet was taken by a bystander with a cellphone, not a news van. You sure it was the news media that sparked this and not some rogue cops?

Fuck you , this is not about the cop who killed George, this is about the cops failing to do their job ad protect citizens and places of business in the city. They did absolutely nothing. The even let their police station fall to the rioters. The entire police force needs to be replaced for failure to do their jobs

Suspect the police are following the orders they are given in dealing with this situation, sparked by police violence. Kind of doubt the Mayor is telling the police chief to put his personnel on the street to kick ass. Congratulations on your dirty mouth this early in the morning. I am certain your mother would be proud.

The Cops are there to protect and serve. They are failing in their duty. They let the rioters run wild, that is an epic fail on the police.
now we need to find out who ordered the stand down order and remove them from office.

The police undoubtedly are following orders from above to do nothing...out of a misguided effort not to further inflame the rioters....the wrong approach for sure.

Sure appease the rioters and not the tax paying citizens

 

[MacTheKnife]

The police need to replace the rubber bullets with Metallic ones

I do not know the facts in this case and since we cannot believe the media(especially in regards to racial matters) I will wait and see in regards to commenting on whether or not the police are guilty of misbehavior as in the guys death could have been due to natural causes as in a heart attack due to the stress of the event which he may have caused himself.

But a certain minority always wants to use these rare cases where it appears one of their members may have been mistreated to cause havoc in their city and or neighborhoods.....this should not be tolerated.

Blacks have access to the judicial system and that is where they should take their grievances...yet what we see time and again is for them to use violence or the threat of violence to get their way.

They know full well that politicians will cave in to them ...even to the point of indicting and arresting those who may be completely innocent and in some cases obviously so....like in the zimmerman case and now in the infamous Jawja jogga case...but the politicians are not interested in truth or justice...they only want to protect their careers and avoid being labeled racist...thus the blacks are able to extort or more like blackmail liberal politicians to give in to them.

I saw video where two cops had him walking around in hand cuffed with his hands behind his back and started to sit him down leaning against the wall a a building prior to walking him some more, without him struggling. Of course everybody has seen the video on the guy held down with a knee on the side of his neck and heard him pleading that he couldn't breath before he passed out. Are you saying one of the two videos made on somebody's home computer and is fake? Which one?

What’s that have to do with looting?

Oh, you probably skipped the OP's post at beginning of thread. He thinks the riots and looting is caused by the mainstream media. I think the riots and looting was sparked by the cops killing that guy while multiple people filmed it with their cellphones. Protests that turn into angry mobs is about mob psychology which to me is like a cattle herd that gets spooked and stampedes. You got a different theory? The OP thinks the cops are cowards, which I doubt. So he and I are not agreeing about a lot tonight. Are you a mainstream media started it guy, a cops are cowards guy, or somebody who thinks the cops should not have killed that handcuffed guy?

It doesn’t take much for the BLM crowd to start a riot. Plenty of people get murdered in this country every day. But these losers are just waiting for a “white kills black” on camera to give themselves an excuse to riot and make the news. I guess they think America will finally “listen to them” in their pleas for “social justice”. Thing is, no one is buying their shit. America keeps rejecting their racist bullshit, and they are losing their minds over it.

Have you ever heard the old saying. The straw that broke the camels back? It is a curious truth. A straw is a very light item. It might weigh an ounce. If that. Probably less.

Yet the truth is that at some point, that straw exceeds the maximum capacity of something, like a camels back.

But what it implies is a lot of things were put on there first. A lot of straws. My father used to ask me what I would rather be crushed by. A ton of feathers, or a ton of lead? I would answer feathers because they were lighter and softer. The truth is as I grew and matured I figured out that what the material was did not matter. It was the ton that was the important part of the discussion. A ton of feathers would crush me as effectively as the lead would.

So let’s talk about those straws. Thousands of them piled up on the Camels back. Bullshit traffic stops to check for drugs. Do you own this car, and a thousand other nonsense interactions. Arrests for questionable reasons, and planted evidence. And finally the last straw falls, and it is imperfect. But it is the last straw. It is the one that will tip it over to disaster, crushing the Camel.

You deride the camel for surrendering to his one straw, but you don’t give it any credit for holding up under all the others.

You like to bring up Ferguson as an example. Well we know that Ferguson was violating the civil rights of the citizens. We know that Ferguson police were dumping bullshit charges on people. Including my personal favorite, charging a man they had beaten to a pulp for destruction of public property. The specifics? He bled on the police during the altercation, and ruined their uniforms. Seriously. He wasn’t the guy they were looking for, he wasn’t the man with a warrant. He had committed no crime. The charges were resisting arrest, and destruction of public property.

The DOJ using the same investigation standards started long before and carried out during the entire administration of W. Bush, found that Ferguson was violating the Constitution in many areas.

Yes, Mike Brown was an imperfect straw, but there were a lot of straws on that camel that were less imperfect. This situation is another imperfect straw, but there are a lot of straws dumped on the camel every day.

All you have is heresay.....the same thing that motivates any mob or lynching party.....yet when blacks do it....a different standard is applied .aika oh dey entitled.

No, we have the results of the investigation into the Ferguson Police Department which I highlighted.

Justice Department Announces Findings of Two Civil Rights Investigations in Ferguson, Missouri

www.justice.gov

Now, if it was your family, and friends, who were the victims of unconstitutional policing. Even if they were not arrested, wouldn’t you get angry? Wouldn’t that anger simmer?

The problem is that we view such things as individual incidents. Oh a cop just went a little too far. Oh this cop made a bad choice. We don’t think of the cumulative effect of it. Like Chinese Water Torture, a tiny thing adds up after time and repetition.

None of this is new, it is all old news. Baltimore, the Freddy Gray. No video there. But hey, the result was the same. And the investigation into the Police Department was as predictable.

The police had a pattern of unconstitutional stops, searches, and arrests. Each one of those was a straw on a camels back. Small and insignificant in the grand scheme, and taken with the other small and insignificant events, eventually certain to overwhelm the ability to resist.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/file/883296/download

Do I support Riots? Absolutely not. Do I understand why they are angry? I probably can not truly imagine the rage. But I do understand that the rage exists, and why. Now, Trump and Sessions shut down those DOJ department wide investigations. So now nobody is examining the policies and practices of the Police Departments. And that is always a bad thing. Because the oath Trump took was the same one every Federal Official took. To support and defend the Constitution. That means defending the rights contained within.

We have to be determined to defend those rights, of every citizen, every single time.

You are sounding more and more like a leftist.

There is zero excuse for the riots, and the riots alone were worse than police brutality for decades.

If you want to see the cops actually do something wrong, see how they arrested the business owner who defended his business against the savages. See how they arrest Americans for covid stupidity. A true wrong.

I wrote that I did not agree with the riots, but I understood the Underlying cause for the anger.

Odd isn’t it, that you are intent to label me? Ok. Here is the labels for you.

By Rural Georgia Standards I am reasonably Liberal. I am a member of the ACLU, NRA, and USCCA. I believe that we are duty bound to defend the rights contained within the Constitution. All the rights. Not just the second, or the first, or the fifth. All of them.

By San Francisco, or New York Standards, I am a rabid right wing radical gun nut bible thumping redneck asshole. Because I believe in God, and I believe that we all have the right to keep and bear arms. I don’t fly the American Flag, and haven’t in many years. I am ashamed of what my Country has become. The Department of Homeland Insecurity. The National Security Letters, and the violations of the Constitution that happen to prevent “IT” from ever happening again. That it has never worked, doesn’t matter to the supporters of the excesses. We must make the sacrifice if it means we can prevent even one terrorist attack.

I believe that if the Police or Prosecutors conduct misconduct, withhold evidence, lie, plant evidence, and any of the routine things, that we have to drop the charges. I believe that the Constitution intends us to make it hard to convict someone, and those restrictions are intended to prevent an innocent from going to prison. I agree wholeheartedly with the statement of Justice Blackwell. It is better for a thousand guilty men to go free, than one innocent man go to prison.

I believe you have a right to defend yourself. I also believe society has a duty to review the circumstances of that defense to insure it was justified. I do not care what color the people are, they have a right to self defense.

I believe the Civil War is nothing of the sort. A civil war is where two factions are fighting for control of the Government. The Southern States wanted to leave the Union, not control it.

I believe it is stupid and self destructive to hate. History has shown that when you hate, you become the mirror image of the thing you hate. Hitler hated the Jews and Soviets. So he embraced Fascism, which was bereft of a dimes worth of difference from the Soviets. The same secret police, the same rampant authoritarian nonsense. The same brutality. The same disregard for life. I believe there were no good guys on the Eastern Front, and that the T-34 was hands down the best tank of the entire war.

No one cares what you believe. However, we can't miss what you are doing - playing on the enemy lines. You should try hating the enemy instead of loving and you wouldn't be making such a stupid mistake. Reasonable people hate their enemies and evil.

There is no reason at all for you to defend them. No virtue points will be awarded, they know and hate their enemies - which is all Americans yourself included.

Reasonable people hate? Great. In the 1980’s, we were taught that we were the superior political system. One of those reasons given was the rights, and the constitution. Soviet Citizens had no such rights, and the secret police could break whatever rules existed, for the good of the State. We were taught that our system with its flaws was superior, because it allowed individual freedoms, and competition spurred advancement.

Today, our Secret Police are able to break the rules, and nobody minds because of Terrorism. Or something. The rights we so valiantly defended in the 1980’s, and 1990’s, were swept away in 2002. So what do I hate?

Do I hate the enemy I joined the Army and trained to defeat to defend the Constitution? Do I hate their abuses of the people? Their corrupt and vile system that trampled the rights of their own citizens? If so, who is the enemy? Because that would mean I would have to hate my own country, rather than be disappointed and even a little ashamed. I can’t very well hate the country I swore an oath to defend.

Hate is a weapon for your enemy. It poisons your soul. But let’s go to my Catholic Upbringing. I was taught that hate was a sin. I could defeat opponents without hating them. Playing hard in sports did not mean hating the opponent. Respect them, learn from them, learn about them, and defeat them. But Hate clouds your judgement, and you commit the sin. St. Augustine is famous for the quote of Hate the sin, and love the sinner. How could you not love another of God’s creations? Even while you must kill him in a war, and I did, I did not hate.

I joined the Army. I joined the Airborne, and went to war with the 82nd Airborne. I fought fellow soldiers in bar fights. But I never hated any of them. I fought Iraq and lost friends from our sister unit, the 37th Engineers. I did not hate the Iraqi’s. I believed they must be stopped, and pushed out of Kuwait. I did not believe we should eliminate all of them. When we took prisoners, I insured that the prisoners were treated in accordance with the laws of war.

Martial Arts teach us that hate and anger are weapons for your enemy. If hating my enemy makes the enemy stronger, why would I do so? The basic premise of Sun Tzu is to never do what your enemy wants. So if by hating him I make him stronger, and myself weaker, and it is what my enemy wants, why would I do it?

It is better to use determination, than hate. Even when you must kill your enemy, have no hate in your heart. Resolve is stronger, than hate, and lasts longer.

I don’t hate the North for the Civil war, and I don’t hate the South. I don’t hate the idiot racists. I have disdain for them, and utterly reject their flawed philosophy, but I don’t hate them. Black or whatever, brown or blue. It doesn’t matter. Hate makes you stupid, and stupid people are defeated easily.

There is far more racism and hate in the black community than the white.

Anyhow, hate is a relative term as in different people have different concepts of it.

The term like 'racism' is so misused I am reluctant to even talk about it.
Basically it is just a human emotion...not some demon like entity which you portend to make it into.

Like any human emotion it can be used for good or bad....it all comes down to what you hate.

Hate: The Most Overused & Misused Word of Our Time

Hate has got to be the most overused word of our time If someone is politically incorrect in their views, they are often falsely accused of hate

www.christianpost.com

Racism is a bias. A predisposition to believe a stereotype. Hate is an irrational emotion based upon those biased feelings.

Blacks who believe that all Whites are out to get them are wrong. Just as the Whites who claim Blacks are criminal and violent as a people. Both feel their bias is justified. Both are wrong.

I do not hate either Group. I feel disgust. I feel resolve not to fall into the easy hatreds. I feel determined to do the right thing.

I eschew the entire premise that one group of people is inherently evil. They may be wrong. But they are not evil.

You don’t hate black people rushing into a police precinct to burn it down looting stores? I hate to see who you do like

I think it was wrong. I think it was criminal. I think it was stupid. I do not hate those who did it.

When do you hate them! The 2nd building they loot or the tenth? Or just hug them lol

Who do I need to hate someone to stop them? We, and I mean my company. We killed more than five hundred people. I did not hate them. I still do not.

Hate is not necessary to stop someone. I can shoot someone invading my house today without hating them. In fact. Hate would cloud my judgement. I might miss a second person if I am not thinking. And I could end up dead.

Hating someone is exactly the opposite of the lessons that Jesus taught. The Serbs and Croats hated each other for centuries. It got more people dead for things that happened generations ago. Muslims and Jews hate. And they are still fighting.

Hate is one of those emotions you should try to resist and control. It does not make you stronger or smarter. It makes you weaker. You embrace evil yourself to justify your hate.

I do not hate anyone. I would not give them that kind of power over me.

It is truly astounding to watch you virtue signal about how you don't hate anyone, and how hating someone means giving them power over you. Truly pathetic...

This is exactly what the enemies of the people want to hear. Them being allowed to grow in power, while supposedly "good" people like yourself do nothing. Doing something about their evil would mean giving power to them after all.

That is if anyone accepts that you truly are as confused as you claim, and not simply a other disciple of the evil master, devoted to diversion.

The bottom line irregardless of who or what he is or what he may be thinking the idiot is part of the problem...not the soluti n by any stretch of the imagination....I think he is just confused...but perhaps he knows what he is doing and just tries to camouflage it by his pseudo philosophic b.s.?

I don't know if he is black or white but his lack of logic and common sense tells me he is of the darker persuasion....such stupidity runs rampant in that group.

 

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The police need to replace the rubber bullets with Metallic ones

I do not know the facts in this case and since we cannot believe the media(especially in regards to racial matters) I will wait and see in regards to commenting on whether or not the police are guilty of misbehavior as in the guys death could have been due to natural causes as in a heart attack due to the stress of the event which he may have caused himself.

But a certain minority always wants to use these rare cases where it appears one of their members may have been mistreated to cause havoc in their city and or neighborhoods.....this should not be tolerated.

Blacks have access to the judicial system and that is where they should take their grievances...yet what we see time and again is for them to use violence or the threat of violence to get their way.

They know full well that politicians will cave in to them ...even to the point of indicting and arresting those who may be completely innocent and in some cases obviously so....like in the zimmerman case and now in the infamous Jawja jogga case...but the politicians are not interested in truth or justice...they only want to protect their careers and avoid being labeled racist...thus the blacks are able to extort or more like blackmail liberal politicians to give in to them.

I saw video where two cops had him walking around in hand cuffed with his hands behind his back and started to sit him down leaning against the wall a a building prior to walking him some more, without him struggling. Of course everybody has seen the video on the guy held down with a knee on the side of his neck and heard him pleading that he couldn't breath before he passed out. Are you saying one of the two videos made on somebody's home computer and is fake? Which one?

What’s that have to do with looting?

Oh, you probably skipped the OP's post at beginning of thread. He thinks the riots and looting is caused by the mainstream media. I think the riots and looting was sparked by the cops killing that guy while multiple people filmed it with their cellphones. Protests that turn into angry mobs is about mob psychology which to me is like a cattle herd that gets spooked and stampedes. You got a different theory? The OP thinks the cops are cowards, which I doubt. So he and I are not agreeing about a lot tonight. Are you a mainstream media started it guy, a cops are cowards guy, or somebody who thinks the cops should not have killed that handcuffed guy?

It doesn’t take much for the BLM crowd to start a riot. Plenty of people get murdered in this country every day. But these losers are just waiting for a “white kills black” on camera to give themselves an excuse to riot and make the news. I guess they think America will finally “listen to them” in their pleas for “social justice”. Thing is, no one is buying their shit. America keeps rejecting their racist bullshit, and they are losing their minds over it.

Have you ever heard the old saying. The straw that broke the camels back? It is a curious truth. A straw is a very light item. It might weigh an ounce. If that. Probably less.

Yet the truth is that at some point, that straw exceeds the maximum capacity of something, like a camels back.

But what it implies is a lot of things were put on there first. A lot of straws. My father used to ask me what I would rather be crushed by. A ton of feathers, or a ton of lead? I would answer feathers because they were lighter and softer. The truth is as I grew and matured I figured out that what the material was did not matter. It was the ton that was the important part of the discussion. A ton of feathers would crush me as effectively as the lead would.

So let’s talk about those straws. Thousands of them piled up on the Camels back. Bullshit traffic stops to check for drugs. Do you own this car, and a thousand other nonsense interactions. Arrests for questionable reasons, and planted evidence. And finally the last straw falls, and it is imperfect. But it is the last straw. It is the one that will tip it over to disaster, crushing the Camel.

You deride the camel for surrendering to his one straw, but you don’t give it any credit for holding up under all the others.

You like to bring up Ferguson as an example. Well we know that Ferguson was violating the civil rights of the citizens. We know that Ferguson police were dumping bullshit charges on people. Including my personal favorite, charging a man they had beaten to a pulp for destruction of public property. The specifics? He bled on the police during the altercation, and ruined their uniforms. Seriously. He wasn’t the guy they were looking for, he wasn’t the man with a warrant. He had committed no crime. The charges were resisting arrest, and destruction of public property.

The DOJ using the same investigation standards started long before and carried out during the entire administration of W. Bush, found that Ferguson was violating the Constitution in many areas.

Yes, Mike Brown was an imperfect straw, but there were a lot of straws on that camel that were less imperfect. This situation is another imperfect straw, but there are a lot of straws dumped on the camel every day.

All you have is heresay.....the same thing that motivates any mob or lynching party.....yet when blacks do it....a different standard is applied .aika oh dey entitled.

No, we have the results of the investigation into the Ferguson Police Department which I highlighted.

Justice Department Announces Findings of Two Civil Rights Investigations in Ferguson, Missouri

www.justice.gov

Now, if it was your family, and friends, who were the victims of unconstitutional policing. Even if they were not arrested, wouldn’t you get angry? Wouldn’t that anger simmer?

The problem is that we view such things as individual incidents. Oh a cop just went a little too far. Oh this cop made a bad choice. We don’t think of the cumulative effect of it. Like Chinese Water Torture, a tiny thing adds up after time and repetition.

None of this is new, it is all old news. Baltimore, the Freddy Gray. No video there. But hey, the result was the same. And the investigation into the Police Department was as predictable.

The police had a pattern of unconstitutional stops, searches, and arrests. Each one of those was a straw on a camels back. Small and insignificant in the grand scheme, and taken with the other small and insignificant events, eventually certain to overwhelm the ability to resist.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/file/883296/download

Do I support Riots? Absolutely not. Do I understand why they are angry? I probably can not truly imagine the rage. But I do understand that the rage exists, and why. Now, Trump and Sessions shut down those DOJ department wide investigations. So now nobody is examining the policies and practices of the Police Departments. And that is always a bad thing. Because the oath Trump took was the same one every Federal Official took. To support and defend the Constitution. That means defending the rights contained within.

We have to be determined to defend those rights, of every citizen, every single time.

You are sounding more and more like a leftist.

There is zero excuse for the riots, and the riots alone were worse than police brutality for decades.

If you want to see the cops actually do something wrong, see how they arrested the business owner who defended his business against the savages. See how they arrest Americans for covid stupidity. A true wrong.

I wrote that I did not agree with the riots, but I understood the Underlying cause for the anger.

Odd isn’t it, that you are intent to label me? Ok. Here is the labels for you.

By Rural Georgia Standards I am reasonably Liberal. I am a member of the ACLU, NRA, and USCCA. I believe that we are duty bound to defend the rights contained within the Constitution. All the rights. Not just the second, or the first, or the fifth. All of them.

By San Francisco, or New York Standards, I am a rabid right wing radical gun nut bible thumping redneck asshole. Because I believe in God, and I believe that we all have the right to keep and bear arms. I don’t fly the American Flag, and haven’t in many years. I am ashamed of what my Country has become. The Department of Homeland Insecurity. The National Security Letters, and the violations of the Constitution that happen to prevent “IT” from ever happening again. That it has never worked, doesn’t matter to the supporters of the excesses. We must make the sacrifice if it means we can prevent even one terrorist attack.

I believe that if the Police or Prosecutors conduct misconduct, withhold evidence, lie, plant evidence, and any of the routine things, that we have to drop the charges. I believe that the Constitution intends us to make it hard to convict someone, and those restrictions are intended to prevent an innocent from going to prison. I agree wholeheartedly with the statement of Justice Blackwell. It is better for a thousand guilty men to go free, than one innocent man go to prison.

I believe you have a right to defend yourself. I also believe society has a duty to review the circumstances of that defense to insure it was justified. I do not care what color the people are, they have a right to self defense.

I believe the Civil War is nothing of the sort. A civil war is where two factions are fighting for control of the Government. The Southern States wanted to leave the Union, not control it.

I believe it is stupid and self destructive to hate. History has shown that when you hate, you become the mirror image of the thing you hate. Hitler hated the Jews and Soviets. So he embraced Fascism, which was bereft of a dimes worth of difference from the Soviets. The same secret police, the same rampant authoritarian nonsense. The same brutality. The same disregard for life. I believe there were no good guys on the Eastern Front, and that the T-34 was hands down the best tank of the entire war.

No one cares what you believe. However, we can't miss what you are doing - playing on the enemy lines. You should try hating the enemy instead of loving and you wouldn't be making such a stupid mistake. Reasonable people hate their enemies and evil.

There is no reason at all for you to defend them. No virtue points will be awarded, they know and hate their enemies - which is all Americans yourself included.

Reasonable people hate? Great. In the 1980’s, we were taught that we were the superior political system. One of those reasons given was the rights, and the constitution. Soviet Citizens had no such rights, and the secret police could break whatever rules existed, for the good of the State. We were taught that our system with its flaws was superior, because it allowed individual freedoms, and competition spurred advancement.

Today, our Secret Police are able to break the rules, and nobody minds because of Terrorism. Or something. The rights we so valiantly defended in the 1980’s, and 1990’s, were swept away in 2002. So what do I hate?

Do I hate the enemy I joined the Army and trained to defeat to defend the Constitution? Do I hate their abuses of the people? Their corrupt and vile system that trampled the rights of their own citizens? If so, who is the enemy? Because that would mean I would have to hate my own country, rather than be disappointed and even a little ashamed. I can’t very well hate the country I swore an oath to defend.

Hate is a weapon for your enemy. It poisons your soul. But let’s go to my Catholic Upbringing. I was taught that hate was a sin. I could defeat opponents without hating them. Playing hard in sports did not mean hating the opponent. Respect them, learn from them, learn about them, and defeat them. But Hate clouds your judgement, and you commit the sin. St. Augustine is famous for the quote of Hate the sin, and love the sinner. How could you not love another of God’s creations? Even while you must kill him in a war, and I did, I did not hate.

I joined the Army. I joined the Airborne, and went to war with the 82nd Airborne. I fought fellow soldiers in bar fights. But I never hated any of them. I fought Iraq and lost friends from our sister unit, the 37th Engineers. I did not hate the Iraqi’s. I believed they must be stopped, and pushed out of Kuwait. I did not believe we should eliminate all of them. When we took prisoners, I insured that the prisoners were treated in accordance with the laws of war.

Martial Arts teach us that hate and anger are weapons for your enemy. If hating my enemy makes the enemy stronger, why would I do so? The basic premise of Sun Tzu is to never do what your enemy wants. So if by hating him I make him stronger, and myself weaker, and it is what my enemy wants, why would I do it?

It is better to use determination, than hate. Even when you must kill your enemy, have no hate in your heart. Resolve is stronger, than hate, and lasts longer.

I don’t hate the North for the Civil war, and I don’t hate the South. I don’t hate the idiot racists. I have disdain for them, and utterly reject their flawed philosophy, but I don’t hate them. Black or whatever, brown or blue. It doesn’t matter. Hate makes you stupid, and stupid people are defeated easily.

There is far more racism and hate in the black community than the white.

Anyhow, hate is a relative term as in different people have different concepts of it.

The term like 'racism' is so misused I am reluctant to even talk about it.
Basically it is just a human emotion...not some demon like entity which you portend to make it into.

Like any human emotion it can be used for good or bad....it all comes down to what you hate.

Hate: The Most Overused & Misused Word of Our Time

Hate has got to be the most overused word of our time If someone is politically incorrect in their views, they are often falsely accused of hate

www.christianpost.com

Racism is a bias. A predisposition to believe a stereotype. Hate is an irrational emotion based upon those biased feelings.

Blacks who believe that all Whites are out to get them are wrong. Just as the Whites who claim Blacks are criminal and violent as a people. Both feel their bias is justified. Both are wrong.

I do not hate either Group. I feel disgust. I feel resolve not to fall into the easy hatreds. I feel determined to do the right thing.

I eschew the entire premise that one group of people is inherently evil. They may be wrong. But they are not evil.

You don’t hate black people rushing into a police precinct to burn it down looting stores? I hate to see who you do like

I think it was wrong. I think it was criminal. I think it was stupid. I do not hate those who did it.

When do you hate them! The 2nd building they loot or the tenth? Or just hug them lol

Who do I need to hate someone to stop them? We, and I mean my company. We killed more than five hundred people. I did not hate them. I still do not.

Hate is not necessary to stop someone. I can shoot someone invading my house today without hating them. In fact. Hate would cloud my judgement. I might miss a second person if I am not thinking. And I could end up dead.

Hating someone is exactly the opposite of the lessons that Jesus taught. The Serbs and Croats hated each other for centuries. It got more people dead for things that happened generations ago. Muslims and Jews hate. And they are still fighting.

Hate is one of those emotions you should try to resist and control. It does not make you stronger or smarter. It makes you weaker. You embrace evil yourself to justify your hate.

I do not hate anyone. I would not give them that kind of power over me.

It is truly astounding to watch you virtue signal about how you don't hate anyone, and how hating someone means giving them power over you. Truly pathetic...

This is exactly what the enemies of the people want to hear. Them being allowed to grow in power, while supposedly "good" people like yourself do nothing. Doing something about their evil would mean giving power to them after all.

That is if anyone accepts that you truly are as confused as you claim, and not simply a other disciple of the evil master, devoted to diversion.

The bottom line irregardless of who or what he is or what he may be thinking the idiot is part of the problem...not the soluti n by any stretch of the imagination....I think he is just confused...but perhaps he knows what he is doing and just tries to camouflage it by his pseudo philosophic b.s.?

I don't know if he is black or white but his lack of logic and common sense tells me he is of the darker persuasion....such stupidity runs rampant in that group.

So it is stupid not to hate? Yeah. Interesting philosophy.